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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.08.12 13:15:00 -
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Ive not played since before empyrean age. Im starting over fresh with a new account and just some cash graced to me so i can get my implants/learning skills going. Sitting here trying to plan what i want to do.
Ive always liked caldari ships, but ive done the whole missileboat thing before and it just does not appeal to me to do it again. I know that the rokh can be a good rail and blaster platform, and is currently considered one of the two good fleet snipers, but what about the rest?
Im kind of wondering if caldari hybrid-only is viable in this area. I know before the tier 2 BCs came out there were a few ferox pilots that enjoyed their rail platform, but i dont see many people mention the ferox anymore.
There are a few other things i have to mention here.
I can NOT cross train to gallente. I just hate gallente aesthetic and dont want to be flying a green floating space turd ship, ever. So if i go the hybrid path it would be for caldari only.
Secondly, having gunnery + shield skills makes minmatar cross train look appealing. But that would also involve training up missile skills... and having caldari trained already and missile skills will make missileboating it up in a drake or a raven for rating/missions too appealing. I lack the self control to not do that, so i just have to make sure i can not equip so much as a standard missile launcher, ever, in my entire career. Train missiles to level 1 and before you know it ill be just another high sec level 4 mission running carebear ;_;)
It comes down then, to a character that is ONLY specialized in caldari hybrid boats for pve and pvp. cruisers/bcs/hacs/bs. Is this viable? Or should i just train amarr? (and how is the moa for a throaway gank cruiser?) Im already anticipating that maybe the moa is not so good, and my cheap throwaway t1 cruiser option will probably revolve around ewar or some other support...
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.08.12 13:26:00 -
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rokh is the best fleet bs ingame by a long long way, its also a great lowsec/high blaster boat. eagle is the best sniper hac for many situations (and no spike is not the way forward on this thin, faction ammo to give you bout 120km optimal ftw) also dont fly it without 250mm
ferox is the only bc that can shoot comfortably in snipehac range althou it cant realisticly compete with them, its also a very capable blaster boat for cheap fun. ive seen close range rail setups work for it too.
i think that covers it , yes youre in fine shape to fly rail caldari ppl who say otherwise. . . well
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Kirith Kodachi
m3 Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.12 13:31:00 -
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Harpy assault ship works well with short range blasters or in sniper mode. And a Moa can tank like a beast for a tech 1 cruiser while sporting some blasters or rails. I know some guys who will swear by a blaster moa for low sec roams in a cheap ship. And Falcon is turret based now. *shrugs*
You can do hybrid only Caldari, but I reccommend supplmenting your options with Tech II Heavy and heavy assault missiles for the Onyx, Cerb, Drake.
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Ecky X
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Posted - 2009.08.12 14:00:00 -
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If you're trying to avoid missiles, don't go Caldari. You're giving up more than half of your ships, many of them the best in their class.
If you're trying to avoid becoming a carebear, train Minmatar. PvE with their ships is so frustrating you'll never do it.
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4THELULZ
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:34:00 -
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Harpy - awesome with either rails or blasters, trying to snipe with one is obviously going to fail pretty hard though. It can chip paintwork at 90ish km, big woop.
Moa - Underrated. Blaster fit works pretty well on this, less dps than a Thorax but better buffer especially when the rig changes come in.
Ferox - Not bad with blasters, paint chipping at 100ish
Eagle - Can shoot well up to 200km, but outdamaged at 100
Vulture - No idea
Rokh - pure win with rails or blasters
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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.12 19:45:00 -
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Fly what you want to fly, if you like Caldari ships and want to try hybrids then go for it. Things are well enough balanced in EVE that you're not going to be royally screwed regardless of what you fly.
The people who constantly recommend to chase the FoTM are just people who haven't played long enough to see multiple cycles of balancing.
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.08.12 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: 4THELULZ Harpy - awesome with either rails or blasters, trying to snipe with one is obviously going to fail pretty hard though. It can chip paintwork at 90ish km, big woop.
Moa - Underrated. Blaster fit works pretty well on this, less dps than a Thorax but better buffer especially when the rig changes come in.
Ferox - Not bad with blasters, paint chipping at 100ish
Eagle - Can shoot well up to 200km, but outdamaged at 100
Vulture - No idea
Rokh - pure win with rails or blasters
eagle may be outdamaged but the extra traking still makes it better than most sniper hacs
ie eagle: 216 dps at 100 0.033 tracking
zealot: 290 dps at 100 0.012 tracking
munnin: 223 dps at 100 0.010 tracking
so yes it does less damage but ull be able to hit any ceptors with high transversal in the eagle, not so with the zealot and munnin. its flexebility to hit to 190 aswell makes it the best sniper hac imo (the zealot does general roaming better tho), ofc theres also a utility high and good shield buffer
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Mona X
Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN
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Posted - 2009.08.12 22:36:00 -
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Zealot is the third Caldari HAC. :P
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.08.13 01:32:00 -
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Part of the issue is that hybrids aren't as good as lasers.
I flew Caldari Hybrids a lot, before I started having fun cross training weapon platforms on the Caldari ships. Its pretty effective using lasers on buffer shield tanked Caldari boats.
Good hybrid ships:
Blaster Harpy Blaster Rokh (go tech 2 and use null) Blaster Moa Blaster Ferox (although it is better to fly a Brutix simply because it has more drone space and has a higher gank to tank ratio) - I prefer my Feroxen to shoot lasers and remote shield reps.
If I'm doing Caldari blaster boats I use null ammo and take advantage of range. Antimatter use means the Gallente ship equivalent will be superior - so you play on your terms and shoot with some range.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.13 01:50:00 -
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Train watcha want man. If you like the idea of a Caldari hybrid ship, then fly it. Lasers will be "rebalanced" (either by virtue of nerfing or not) someday anyway.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.08.13 02:38:00 -
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Frigates
Harpy
Cruisers
Blackbird, Eagle, Falcon
Battlecruisers
Ferox
Battleships
Scorpion, Rokh
That will be your ship selection, kind of limited and no real cross training opportunities.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.13 03:43:00 -
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And Vulture. But it depends on what you want to do. If you ever want to do DPS of any kind at all then you need Gallente hybrid boats. If you like situational chipping paint from long range then by all means jump in an Eagle or Ferox.
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.08.13 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous Part of the issue is that hybrids aren't as good as lasers.
I flew Caldari Hybrids a lot, before I started having fun cross training weapon platforms on the Caldari ships. Its pretty effective using lasers on buffer shield tanked Caldari boats.
Good hybrid ships:
Blaster Harpy Blaster Rokh (go tech 2 and use null) Blaster Moa Blaster Ferox (although it is better to fly a Brutix simply because it has more drone space and has a higher gank to tank ratio) - I prefer my Feroxen to shoot lasers and remote shield reps.
If I'm doing Caldari blaster boats I use null ammo and take advantage of range. Antimatter use means the Gallente ship equivalent will be superior - so you play on your terms and shoot with some range.
All decent advice. Also:
Originally by: Omarvelous Feroxen
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Emperor Ryan
Amarr Imperial Syndicate Forces
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Posted - 2009.08.13 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: arbiter reborn rokh is the best fleet bs ingame by a long long way,
Arbiter Reborn is clearly mistaken, First of all for the Rokh to be good at what it does it needs its lows for damage mods making the ship a SHEILD tanker, Most fleets use RR gangs and not Sheild Transfer mods, The range on the Rokh as a sniper platform is excellent, however the damage type is not, because this point can be argued forever keep in mind that rails dont operate brillatly tracking wise on the super long range end of things.
Now lets look at the Apoc, Gets Range bonus too though it will not hit past 250k with most fits, you'll be looking at about 220km. Tracking with lasers is Superb, and changing ammo is quick and easy.
The Geddon, Able to push out over 1k dps easy with a buffer fit, is a Viable choice for a Bs rr gang, Which is a true FLEET ship. Mega, Domi, Abbadon, Geddon, Phoon, Tempest. Are good fleet Battleships. Ignore the above poster as you can cleary see his points are fail.
Have a Nice day.
*Rokh makes a nice blaster boat with null though - Emperor
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.08.13 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Originally by: arbiter reborn rokh is the best fleet bs ingame by a long long way,
The Geddon, Able to push out over 1k dps easy with a buffer fit, is a Viable choice for a Bs rr gang, Which is a true FLEET ship.
Umm. I think we're using a pretty standard definition of fleet here. Which are you using?
Rokh really is one of the best fleet ships. It can seriously reach out and touch you. And uniquely, it can do so even with T1 guns.
But I'd never think of using a fit that took advantage of that without a fleet.
Originally by: Emperor Ryan Have a Nice day.
And you as well.
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