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Octave Zedarr
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Posted - 2009.08.12 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Octave Zedarr on 12/08/2009 21:04:34 Today in my in-game endeavors, I was playing around with some war targets in Hi-Sec. I had my scouting alt sitting on a gate watching 5 WTs waiting to jump into the next system where my main was. On my main, I cleverly suggested (in Local)to him that his friends should be a little more discreet, and maybe hide in a safe spot so as to not show me all they have. He is immediately enraged, stating that the use of scouting alts (that are not in corp) in combat is "illegal" and against the EULA. I had to say nothing as everyone else in local tore him apart. He left with his tail between his legs saying, "Well, we didn't think our competition would cheat."
Anyway, I'm 99% sure he is wrong on this matter, and I read the EULA and found nothing regarding this matter. But still, I have to ask...
Is it legal?
I would love to hear all comments on this subject, and hopefully an official answer regarding this from CCP!
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.12 20:59:00 -
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Meta gaming is perfectly legit and because you have to pay CCP extra for an alt, encouraged! And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now |
Otry Callemere
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Posted - 2009.08.12 21:03:00 -
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it's not cheating merely gathering a superior tactical advantage.
name and shame this nub so we can all riducule him
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.12 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: De''Veldrin on 12/08/2009 21:09:52
Originally by: Octave Zedarr Edited by: Octave Zedarr on 12/08/2009 21:04:34 Today in my in-game endeavors, I was playing around with some war targets in Hi-Sec. I had my scouting alt sitting on a gate watching 5 WTs waiting to jump into the next system where my main was. On my main, I cleverly suggested (in Local)to him that his friends should be a little more discreet, and maybe hide in a safe spot so as to not show me all they have. He is immediately enraged, stating that the use of scouting alts (that are not in corp) in combat is "illegal" and against the EULA. I had to say nothing as everyone else in local tore him apart. He left with his tail between his legs saying, "Well, we didn't think our competition would cheat."
Anyway, I'm 99% sure he is wrong on this matter, and I read the EULA and found nothing regarding this matter. But still, I have to ask...
Is it legal?
I would love to hear all comments on this subject, and hopefully an official answer regarding this from CCP!
If you really want an official answer, file a petition and wait for the response. My guess is they won't respond in here, unfortunately.
That aside, while what you did may be meta gaming, it's a viable tactic used all over New Eden by all kinds of people, and not just for scouting. They (your wartargets) have the same option, to be frank, even if they have to hire someone in game to scout for them. The fact that your main and your scout happen to be the same player doesn't strike me as unfair - it just saves you the trouble of hiring someone to scout for you.
Edit for clarification. --Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Annihilate. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.12 21:11:00 -
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seeing that virtually everyone out in 0.0 uses them, don't see how'd they be illegal and even if it was, it's not something CCP could control
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.12 21:16:00 -
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Actually this has been asked and answered eons ago. As a matter of fact CCP even encourages it. One of the 'selling points' of the "Power of Two" campaigns is to have an alt to 'scout' for you.
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Jarna
Amarr Exhumer Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.12 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina seeing that virtually everyone out in 0.0 uses them, don't see how'd they be illegal and even if it was, it's not something CCP could control
Just as a side note, just becasue "virtually everyone" does something doesn't make it right.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Annihilate. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.12 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jarna
Originally by: Rawr Cristina seeing that virtually everyone out in 0.0 uses them, don't see how'd they be illegal and even if it was, it's not something CCP could control
Just as a side note, just becasue "virtually everyone" does something doesn't make it right.
dosen't make it wrong either
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.08.12 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 12/08/2009 21:38:40 You payed for your metagaming right, so it's all good.
CCP encourages multiple accounts, so they're cool with it.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.12 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jarna
Originally by: Rawr Cristina seeing that virtually everyone out in 0.0 uses them, don't see how'd they be illegal and even if it was, it's not something CCP could control
Just as a side note, just becasue "virtually everyone" does something doesn't make it right.
And if it wasn't, it is virtually impossible to enforce it. ________________________________________________
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2009.08.12 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jarna
Originally by: Rawr Cristina seeing that virtually everyone out in 0.0 uses them, don't see how'd they be illegal and even if it was, it's not something CCP could control
Just as a side note, just becasue "virtually everyone" does something doesn't make it right.
It is "virtually right" though, so its all good.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.08.13 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jarna
Originally by: Rawr Cristina seeing that virtually everyone out in 0.0 uses them, don't see how'd they be illegal and even if it was, it's not something CCP could control
Just as a side note, just becasue "virtually everyone" does something doesn't make it right.
It makes it "not forbidden". It's your choice to use it or not (like logoffski and such.
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.13 00:06:00 -
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might I ask who the people that dont cheat with the 5 man fleet were? I have a spare war dec slot and these people sound right up my street.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.08.13 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 13/08/2009 00:13:17
Originally by: Jarna
Originally by: Rawr Cristina seeing that virtually everyone out in 0.0 uses them, don't see how'd they be illegal and even if it was, it's not something CCP could control
Just as a side note, just becasue "virtually everyone" does something doesn't make it right.
Most major religions are built around this concept. Rather illogical statement when you really look at it closely, but it survives somehow.
As for the OP, in those situations best to just call bull**** on anyone claiming to have read the EULA. You have a 99% chance of being right.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails i am your brain on boosters lol
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Clementina
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.13 00:28:00 -
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It is not against the rules to have an alt scout.
I would go so far as to say that everybody should have at least a same account alt, who can haul 10,000 m^3, as a scout, and alt hauler.
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wickedpheonix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.13 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Otry Callemere
name and shame this nub so we can all riducule him
+1... also let people wardec his corp since they know he won't be using scouts...
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.13 00:50:00 -
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I do that all the time, I play on 2 accounts
feel free to war dec
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.13 01:22:00 -
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He has no idea what he is talking about. BECAUSE OF FALCON. Guide to forum posting |
Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.13 01:29:00 -
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Scouting is one of the most important concepts in EVE, its because so many fail at it we get all these moaners about low sec.
Its also one of the most important functions in real wars, always has been.
So its certainly not an issue and anyone under a WD would plan for it.
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Woodwraith
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.13 03:02:00 -
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I remember, though only vaugley, I think it was in C&P, a post about the kosherness of using a scout alt out of corp to get a warp in on a war target, but cant remember the way the discussion went down. and although im quite certain the above is ok, im absolutely sure scout alts are highly ok
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Octave Zedarr
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Posted - 2009.08.13 03:48:00 -
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I forget the name of the guy that said it, but I will tell you this...
Former BOB Corporation, Evolution.
Apparently, BOB doesn't approve of scouting alts.
We're about to drop the dec, but a few of them hang out in Gallente space, the rest are scattered through low and high sec. Feel free to dec them, they do alot of EVE UNI tactics. We watched them jump a 17man fleet of T2 frigs into low sec, and slowly trickle back through in Pods.
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar RaouLCrew
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Posted - 2009.08.13 04:31:00 -
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To the OP,
Next time the guy tells you you're cheating by having a scouting alt, tell him he's cheating when he has a hauling alt for his mining.
He'll either be so flustered he can't think of anything to say or will blunder on senselessly instead; either of which should result in great lulz for all those present. ---
I has a blog.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.13 04:56:00 -
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Yes, it's cheating. Yes, it's meta-gaming. And yes, it's perfectly legal.
Unfortunate, but true.
-- Becq Starforged
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.13 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Octave Zedarr Is it legal?
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Cassiopeia Draco
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Posted - 2009.08.13 07:20:00 -
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Nothing wrong with it, I'm sure evolution have used thier share of scouting alts before, probably even got a few into target corps and meta gamed that way.
Theres also nothing wrong with using an alt as bait either especially in low/null sec or W-space, not that i would ever consider or advocate such a dishonerable thing....
The use of neutral RR Alts is closer to the edge of unfair advantage especially in wars, but, as far as im aware not against the EULA or game rules.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.08.13 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Becq Starforged Yes, it's cheating. Yes, it's meta-gaming. And yes, it's perfectly legal.
How can it be both cheating and legal?
CCP encourages you to have multiple accounts. Its NOT cheating you you get a corp mate to do it for you. Its NOT cheating if you get a corp mates alt to do it for you? (who defines who the main and alt are anyway?) Is it cheating if I get a friend to log on to the PC next to me on a second account and do it for me? Is it cheating if I log on to the PC next to me on a second account do it myself? Can anyone tell the difference between them all anyway?
Scout or Die.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.13 07:35:00 -
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I think EVE and almost every other MMO would be a lot more fun if it was strictly enforced that players could only have one account and character per person, which they couldn't delete.
But like everything in EVE, more = better. ---
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BIZZAROSTORMY
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Posted - 2009.08.13 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jarna
Originally by: Rawr Cristina seeing that virtually everyone out in 0.0 uses them, don't see how'd they be illegal and even if it was, it's not something CCP could control
Just as a side note, just becasue "virtually everyone" does something doesn't make it right.
In the Hobbesian sense it does. Morality and even sanity can be considered a question of prevailing and agreed upon norms.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.08.13 10:51:00 -
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One of the more ridiculous topics of late. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Chantilly Layce
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Posted - 2009.08.13 11:01:00 -
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Nothing makes my day brighter than a story of a sore loser getting his peener whacked. It's right up their with guys who grief and suddenly cry foul when the table is turned. Tardz. |
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