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Cael Sunder
Violent Fury
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Posted - 2012.05.29 00:15:00 -
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So I've played a couple MMO's before mainly WoW. (Also SW tor and Rift) I've always read about how crazy Eve is and all that even my own father got into the game and I remember him telling me all these crazy stories. Like I said I was playing WoW so I wasn't interested. Anyways, Eve is on sale on Steme for 7 dollars so I decided what the heck I'll try it. So I'm in the first hour or two in the game and I just cruise by a huge burning planet and my jaw drops. I immediately turn to my gf who's playing my Diablo account while I play Eve and have to show her. It looks gorgeous! So I keep playing and playing slowly learning things about the game. How to do this or that and I do my first probe scan thing. When I finally got it down it felt awesome! I first looked on youtube then got some help from the incredible community.Which as you can tell WoW doesn't have. Anyways on to my point. Is there a safe way to play this game? I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level. So guys, what tips or stories do you have about when you first started playing? |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.05.29 00:21:00 -
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Cael Sunder wrote:Is there a safe way to play this game?
You could stay docked. Can get you rich even but tends to be boring.
Sooner or later you lose ships. Good players earn more then they lose. Bad players are driven out of the game.
There are grim men our there. They will eat your soul. Consider yourself warned. When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |
Cael Sunder
Violent Fury
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Posted - 2012.05.29 00:26:00 -
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Dang, I'm now even more scared. |
Iria Ahrens
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.29 00:48:00 -
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Go die a lot and then you wont fear dying anymore.
Really, I'm not joking or making fun. What separates the vet pvpers from the newbies is the vets have died so many times, they are able to keep everything in perspective when they fight.
If you don't have any isk, attack people with your rookie ships. Someone killed a tornado with a velator What is better than flying a free ship?
The number one rule of eve is don't fly what you can't afford to lose, so if you fly cheap crap, and die, and you learn cheap lessons. Because you WILL die. Keep your medical clone up to date so you don't lose SP and you're golden. |
Cael Sunder
Violent Fury
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:02:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Go die a lot and then you wont fear dying anymore. Really, I'm not joking or making fun. What separates the vet pvpers from the newbies is the vets have died so many times, they are able to keep everything in perspective when they fight. If you don't have any isk, attack people with your rookie ships. Someone killed a tornado with a velator , and here's a velator vs. Oracle movie, same dude. What is better than flying a free ship? The number one rule of eve is don't fly what you can't afford to lose, so if you fly cheap crap, and die, and you learn cheap lessons. Because you WILL die. Keep your medical clone up to date so you don't lose SP and you're golden.
Alright thanks for the help! I appreciate it. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:04:00 -
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You can also join Red vs Blue |
Cael Sunder
Violent Fury
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:14:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:You can also join Red vs Blue
I don't know what that is? Is that a community or something? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:16:00 -
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t1 ships with insurance barely cost anything don't be afraid! staying in highsec is pretty safe, as long as you don't carry high value cargo/fittings.
you will want to get out to lowsec and 0.0 at some point, I'd suggest making sure to do all the tutorials first, and joining a player corp.
but when I first started I got in because a friend wanted me to. I screwed about for a few weeks then joined Idle Guns we did a ton of t1 frig pvp. tons of fun and didn't cost much. eventually you will probably want to go bigger, I can only encourage such behavior. hopefully you will have fun! |
Peri Simone
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:19:00 -
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Absolutely the above. And just to clarify, the "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" bit doesn't mean spending only spending half your isk on a ship, it means flying ships you can replace over and over and over again.
There are many ways to reduce risk, but ultimately every ship you fly is destined to become an exploding fireball. Sometimes just minutes after leaving the station.
That said, don't get intimidated by the big expensive ships you'll see flying around high sec, most of those won't ever see pvp, and every single one of them can be taken out by a small group of frigates.
Good luck, and have fun! |
Cael Sunder
Violent Fury
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:21:00 -
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Wow thanks guys for all the help. The community has been unbelievably helpful. |
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:21:00 -
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go buy 10 cheap ships and fit them with cheap mods and go out and shoot someone. After you die a few times, it's not so bad On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
Peri Simone
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:22:00 -
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Cael Sunder wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:You can also join Red vs Blue I don't know what that is? Is that a community or something?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Red_Vs_Blue_(RvB) |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:54:00 -
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A "school" that helps new players
Some people don't like E-U, but they now have (so far as I know) a low sec presence and a null sec presence. So it's possible to check out quite a bit there.
The also have a Wiki that you don't need to be a member to use:
The Wiki - There was some old info in there last I knew - just check dates.
GL to you!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Abbadon21
Cosmic Cimmerians The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:59:00 -
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I understand how you feel... I felt that way when I started to. But the above posts are correct, if you want to do PVP you need to get over the fear of dying. Remind your self it's a game and get out and take risks.
PVP is the best part of EVE, the excitement and thrills of fights are unmatched by any other game. Learn How PRO Players Make Billions of ISK and Dominate PVP: http://www.EVEProGuides.com |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.05.29 02:09:00 -
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Cael Sunder wrote:I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level. Congratulations! You are yet another victim of drive-by philanthropy. Check your wallet.
I encourage you to fly recklessly and dangerously, without regard for loss. It is how you have the most fun in EVE.
I recommend losing a lot of frigates and destroyers to start.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.29 02:24:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Cael Sunder wrote:I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level. Congratulations! You are yet another victim of drive-by philanthropy. Check your wallet. I encourage you to fly recklessly and dangerously, without regard for loss. It is how you have the most fun in EVE. I recommend losing a lot of frigates and destroyers to start.
Also running away like a little girl is fun because the chase gets the blood going |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.05.29 03:16:00 -
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Easiest advice I can give on this - find a group and join them. A player run corporation.
Outside of that:
If you want to learn to escape, get involved in hunting. Those that get away show you how they did it as they burn away from you and that is information of value to you later on.
If you want to learn to hunt, try that escaping gig for a bit. Run camps, etc. It takes more skill to get away from a group that it does being part of a group taking down a target. If you know the limits from getting away, you'll know how to catch them.
The composite of the above will get you in a team and prep you for not being nervous about travel in this game.
Lastly - "trust" - it's not boolean, it's not something to give out easily.
Example: You may trust a ganker to provide info on how to pop someone and how to avoid being popped but I don't think you'd be all that wise to trust them to leave you alone as you fly an indy full of stuff to market.
Be conservative with who you trust and in what areas. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
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Posted - 2012.05.29 03:28:00 -
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This game is one of the few where, barring one mistake, you never truely die.
Here is the one 'mistake': Forget to update your clone. That one little piece, the one place where you can lose skill points (SP) si your only 'true' downfall. Beyond that, you must consider anything you own as expendable. Once you get past the point that your 'material' possessions are important you can sit back and enjoy being you.
On a similar note, if you want to have 'learning implants' get a jump clone. There are corps you can join to create them after you train the skill. It is free, quick, and worth the time. (why CCP doesn't just start players with a jump clone is beyond me).
If you are a high-sec player, figure out what the 'cost' of your ship is. Work to 'pay it off' and then consider it destroyed. Any time you get out of that ship afterwards is simple 'bonus' time. Now, find an income stream (missions, mining, market, whatever) to allow you to feed that stream.
In my case, I can manufacture, research, trade, and mission level 4s. What do I fly in PVP? Frigates and destroyers. Why? Because I can spend one night a week 'earning isk' and then the next six nights getting blown up (never said I was good at PVP did i?)
Again, my only 'real' worry.... my SP. I use a jump clone... ok, I use an alt these days, but even he has a learning clone when I need a break and a combat clone (with cheap implants) when I want to battle my fellow man.
Once you get the 'income stream'by whatever means you care for, you can sit back and enjoy the game. It doesn't need to be a 'huge' income stream either. Hell, a single level 3 mission nets me 2-3 combat frigates for my faction warfare alt. If you want 'more stuff, just simply put an amount of money asie for that (investment).
Bottom line though, and something I would recommend every player do once, put all your isk and 'stuff' on an alt and see how long it takes you to get back to where you were. It isn't that hard, and once you experience it you can free yourself to do it again in to the game full force, should you fail.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.29 03:30:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:This game is one of the few where, barring one mistake, you never truely die.
Here is the one 'mistake': Forget to update your clone. That one little piece, the one place where you can lose skill points (SP) si your only 'true' downfall. Beyond that, you must consider anything you own as expendable. Once you get past the point that your 'material' possessions are important you can sit back and enjoy being you.
Back in the day if you didn't update your clone you'd lose all the sp you trained past the sp level of the clone. It was entirely possible to be podded back into a noob clone |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2012.05.29 07:20:00 -
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First of all:
Don't be afraid of loosing a ship. You will eventually loose a ship, the question is only when and where, not if. Ships are just tools and you can choose to use cheap tools (aka frigates) at the start of your career.
Frigates don't cost much, drop an insurance on them and you get it partially paid back when you die. Now just go out and have fun.
In high-sec you are pretty safe as long as you don't make yourself a target: - Flying a large ship as a new player who clearly lacks all the support skills - Flying around with something really really valuable in your cargohold
As for my point of view, all my PvP ships have an intended lifetime of 1 PvP operation, if it survives and can be used in a 2nd it's a bonus. I just expect the worst but hope for the best, and that has paid out so far in EVE. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
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Yuriko Deathstrike
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.29 09:10:00 -
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Cael Sunder wrote:Dang, I'm now even more scared.
Dont worry, if you die you wake up in a clone :P
But srsly, find some way to make ISK and pick a career path that interests you. Always have a fallback plan for when your primary ship gets blown up, like have a spare ship (or a few) that is already fitted or save up a bunch of ISK. This isnt like WoW where the objective is to get pretty pixels and then AFK on the Ironforge bridge. Know that every ship or item you get will get blown up eventually, and plan accordingly.
Also dont be like some noobs and immediately after the tutorials, sell off all your assets and ships and use all your ISK to buy a shiny cruiser only to get it blown up. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
216
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:43:00 -
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Is EVE harsh, Yes it is. Can you be killed in space in EVE, Yes you can. Is EVE build mainly around PvP, Yes it is. Will you be killed in EVE, Yes you will eventually.
Will you be killed EVERYTIME you undock, No unless you want too.
EVE can be very harsh and PvP centric. But there is still plenty of room to fly around "safe-ish".
Just keep in mind that in high-sec shooting someone without legit reason will mean CONCORD will punish the offender and he also gets a sec status hit (means if he does it too much he can't enter high-sec without being chased by NPC ships that want to kill him).
So unless you make yourself a big target in high-sec, you are quite safe to do what ever you want.
Here is a great example of how you make yourself a big target in high-sec. *Yes, that is me in my early game days*
Mining ships also tend to be targets of grievers but they have limited ability to do something. They can try to suicide gank you but it hardly pays off (unless Hulkageddon is active and they compete for the prizes). The other thing they might try is can flip you and hope you return fire, as long as you don't they can't shoot you.
On the other hand, low-sec and null-sec (0.0 & Wormholes) are quite PvP heavy and if you go there expect your ship to be lost (better expect to loose it and return home safely then think you will return and loose your ship).
The golden rule of EVE:
Don't fly what you can't afford to loose.
This doesn't mean that you need to replace it. I fly certain ships that I by far can replace with my wallet. But I agree that using them comes with the risk of loosing the ship.
So as long as you have either the back up funds to replace a ship if it is lost (or already have 1 or more replacements) or are fine with the chance of loosing the ship, just use the ship.
Ships and modules are just tools to help you do what you like to do. And if you don't like PvP (or just want to wait for a bit to do it so you can learn the game mechanics) there are plenty of other things you could do.
Here is a nice site that lists what you can do in EVE. Keep in mind it isn't actually complete as EVE is player driven and players can do what they want to do. So you can even follow your own idea and make your own new profession.
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Ooh and above all, keep in mind in EVE bigger isn't always better. Each ship from frigate up to titans have advantages and disadvantages. Frigates are cheap, fast, nimble ships but with low punch compared to battleships. Then again, battleships have large guns that will have trouble keeping track of a fast nimble ship. So a BS vs Frig fight doesn't always mean that the BS wins (he can, but same can be said for the frigate).
See the size of guns as following:
Small guns in EVE are like pistols, if someone is driving a car around you, you can easily keep up with him and shoot him. Big guns in EVE are like a tank, if that same person starts driving around the tank. The turret won't be able to keep up with him. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Sabotaged
Blood Diamond Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.29 12:35:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:The number one rule of eve is don't fly what you can't afford to lose
That is some serious Gospel right there. |
Harbonah
A-OK Logistics and Fabrication StoneGuard Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.29 13:09:00 -
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Heres another rule of EVE especially around JITA.
1. If it seems like a good deal it probably is...... but only for the other party.
Check your trade contracts. Really good deals tend to be a SCAM. Prime example is buying a PLEX for 385 mill thinking your getting a good deal right? Nope, check the exchange. Yeah you might pay 385 mill but if you look down you'll notice the other guy wants to swap a PLEX for a PLEX too so essentially you just gave him 385 mill isk for free. |
Lyric Lahnder
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:18:00 -
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Start loosing ships now. There interchangeable and there tools. Since death has always been obsolete in new eden you need to remember your ship is nothing more then the time it took to acquire it. Nothing more.
A strange thing to unlearn personally when you start doing hi efficiency stuff, but good things for new wow refugees to understand when they get into game.
By the way you need analyze your feelings a little more. Nervous? Scared? or what else could that be...?
Excitement?
A thrill perhaps?
Something wow never gave you because in it defeat is essentially meaningless.
If your from the states remember this. Other mmo's are Branson missouri
Eve is Vegas. The stakes are always high.
Eve is the only game that can put people into the physical state of "fight of flight." And its exhilirating.
Dont be afraid. PVP is eve's sweetest drug. Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.comI Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers. |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:29:00 -
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Only problem with dying is that you have to go and get a new one; for me mostly because I'm so stingy with my wallet.
Though even more annoying is to forget to move your medical clone and wake up 40 jumps from where you died with nothing but a rookie ship and with a denied access to medical facility. |
Sugar Kyle
The humbleless Crew Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:31:00 -
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Dying is hard at first. It's abnormal to what we are used to in many games. But you don't lose EXP, you don't lose skill training (update your clone)... you lose your ship.
I said to someone the other day, "Consider your ships your heath potions. Disposable things that you need"
I doubt many *like* losing ships but you have to be ready to accept that as part of what can and will happen. They are disposable. If you love it, don't fly it. Get a second one that is disposable.''
It gets easier each time.
The other day a fleet jumped into mine. local spiked. In the back of my mind I said, "i'm going to die." At that moment, I accepted it and just prepared for battle. It was a relief and increased my enjoyment and concentration on the task at hand. The task of the glorious pewpew. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
216
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:33:00 -
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What about jumping into a PvP battle, only by a miracle get out alive in your pod (10% structure left on it) to find out you:
1.) Took your training/high-sec pod filled with expensive implants. 2.) Your clone limit has been long passed.
I laughed when I noticed it after I docked, and even more when I remembered I recorded it all Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
130
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:46:00 -
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Though even more annoying is to lose your BS because you crashed in your "home system" after an op and when you log back in after 1/2 an hour your land back at the gate (12km) right next to roaming hostile fleet and consequently lose your ship.
Hell, nearly lost my pod as well while trying to cover that remaining 12km in a slow ass BS. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:59:00 -
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