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Efraya
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:49:00 -
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When will the promised logistics on Kill Mails be implemented?
kthxbai
WSpace; Best space. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
378
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:51:00 -
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Soon (tm) Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Ituhata Saken
Elysium Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:59:00 -
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There is no glory for the healer, only silent thanks from the soldiers whose lives he spared. |
Meolyne
los tabarnakos
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:22:00 -
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Fortunately, Eve has not a common 3rd party DPS Meter ... yet.
Impossible to see if you suck or genius piloting a logistic. therefore recruitments is based on trust only. What would you like with logistic on kill mail ? i don't really know how they could implement that with a hp/s meter in the actual shape of killmails. maybe healmails SoonGäó ? sounds weird |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:52:00 -
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while we're at km stuff, when will CCP make km for self destruct |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
642
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:55:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:while we're at km stuff, when will CCP make km for self destruct
They said they would be doing that during Fan Fest and I had completely forgotten about it.
*poke* CCP |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
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Posted - 2012.05.30 11:44:00 -
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How exactly would a Logistics ship be represented on a killmail? CCP, WHEN AM I GOING TO GET MY CORP BACK? KINDA WANT MY STUFF BACK FROM THE HANGARS. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1658
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:00:00 -
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18monthsGäó Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
551
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:03:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:while we're at km stuff, when will CCP make km for self destruct
And make it so the insurance doesn't pay out either. The SCC shouldn't cater to fraudulent pussies that rather sink their own ship then go down fighting.
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
331
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:03:00 -
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You want logistics on killmails, huh? OK, how about we do it like this: For each victim, we list the logi pilots who were supposed to be helping him. But since he's now dead, they are obviously fail-logi pilots. That way you can see who all the bad ones are, and do all sorts of fancy killboard stats of the worst logi pilots in the game. So, if logistics pilots want to get on killmails, it is only fair that when they screw-up, they appear on lossmails too, right?
"This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:05:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote:You want logistics on killmails, huh? OK, how about we do it like this: For each victim, we list the logi pilots who were supposed to be helping him. But since he's now dead, they are obviously fail-logi pilots. That way you can see who all the bad ones are, and do all sorts of fancy killboard stats of the worst logi pilots in the game. So, if logistics pilots want to get on killmails, it is only fair that when they screw-up, they appear on lossmails too, right?
I like your thinking, mister! Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
104
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:06:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote:You want logistics on killmails, huh? OK, how about we do it like this: For each victim, we list the logi pilots who were supposed to be helping him. But since he's now dead, they are obviously fail-logi pilots. That way you can see who all the bad ones are, and do all sorts of fancy killboard stats of the worst logi pilots in the game. So, if logistics pilots want to get on killmails, it is only fair that when they screw-up, they appear on lossmails too, right?
Evil If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Sugar Kyle
The humbleless Crew Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:10:00 -
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This is fine. We can already see how much damage a ship tanks. Logis only have so much ability. If everyone is mowing one guy down sometimes all the logi in the world is not going to overcome the DPS.
However, if Logi were on killmails more people would fly their logis. Instead, they are a ghost force who say "I was there" but have no proof of it. |
Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:12:00 -
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in logi just assign some drones to rangom fleet members and you will be on few killmails - problem solved... People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
171
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:13:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote:You want logistics on killmails, huh? OK, how about we do it like this: For each victim, we list the logi pilots who were supposed to be helping him. But since he's now dead, they are obviously fail-logi pilots. That way you can see who all the bad ones are, and do all sorts of fancy killboard stats of the worst logi pilots in the game. So, if logistics pilots want to get on killmails, it is only fair that when they screw-up, they appear on lossmails too, right?
Dude, that's awesome! CCP, WHEN AM I GOING TO GET MY CORP BACK? KINDA WANT MY STUFF BACK FROM THE HANGARS. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1658
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:13:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:This is fine. We can already see how much damage a ship tanks. Logis only have so much ability. If everyone is mowing one guy down sometimes all the logi in the world is not going to overcome the DPS.
However, if Logi were on killmails more people would fly their logis. Instead, they are a ghost force who say "I was there" but have no proof of it.
I got on a titan KM in a Guardian. Was burning into lock range on the second titan to ***** on it when it went down (~10km + Drone travel time to go).
Get some Warrior IIs and assign them to a DPS ship. Rake in the KMs. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1278
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:57:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Sugar Kyle wrote:This is fine. We can already see how much damage a ship tanks. Logis only have so much ability. If everyone is mowing one guy down sometimes all the logi in the world is not going to overcome the DPS.
However, if Logi were on killmails more people would fly their logis. Instead, they are a ghost force who say "I was there" but have no proof of it. I got on a titan KM in a Guardian. Was burning into lock range on the second titan to ***** on it when it went down (~10km + Drone travel time to go). Get some Warrior IIs and assign them to a DPS ship. Rake in the KMs.
Though this is always viable in open space / wormholes it's not always a good idea to aggress and remove your ability to jump the gate, and I'm not just talking "neutral logistics" in highsec either.
It would be better to have functional battle reports showing the hostile and friendly effects in operation without needing to artificially add yourself to a KM with a fraction of damage. Drones are also better served (often) keeping ECM drones off yourself. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.30 13:34:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Sugar Kyle wrote:This is fine. We can already see how much damage a ship tanks. Logis only have so much ability. If everyone is mowing one guy down sometimes all the logi in the world is not going to overcome the DPS.
However, if Logi were on killmails more people would fly their logis. Instead, they are a ghost force who say "I was there" but have no proof of it. I got on a titan KM in a Guardian. Was burning into lock range on the second titan to ***** on it when it went down (~10km + Drone travel time to go). Get some Warrior IIs and assign them to a DPS ship. Rake in the KMs. Though this is always viable in open space / wormholes it's not always a good idea to aggress and remove your ability to jump the gate, and I'm not just talking "neutral logistics" in highsec either. It would be better to have functional battle reports showing the hostile and friendly effects in operation without needing to artificially add yourself to a KM with a fraction of damage. Drones are also better served (often) keeping ECM drones off yourself.
I don't know, if a Titan were going down on a gate, I'd probably still aggress it. But yeah, on gate the drones sit in the bay and I weep for KMs. (Though once the fight was so close in on the gate, I looted without missing a rep broadcast). Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.30 13:38:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:This is fine. We can already see how much damage a ship tanks. Logis only have so much ability. If everyone is mowing one guy down sometimes all the logi in the world is not going to overcome the DPS.
However, if Logi were on killmails more people would fly their logis. Instead, they are a ghost force who say "I was there" but have no proof of it.
There's one reason why I don't fly those somewhere else than SISI, the first guys asking for reps because this turd thinks fleet history and broadcasts are for others, will simply die because I'll never give him a single rep. Logis in Eve can be very fun to fly, what makes it unfunny is so many turds uberskilled or pointing finger and F1.
KM's? -who cares about km's those are meaningless of what you achieved personally in some game where by design only numbers count. Then Isk efficiency is more like haha, hahahahahaha |
Aerich e'Kieron
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:01:00 -
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Quote:If everyone is mowing one guy down sometimes all the logi in the world is not going to overcome the DPS. Challenge accepted.
Quote:in logi just assign some drones to rangom fleet members and you will be on few killmails - problem solved... I tried a few times to conceive of a clever comment for this; but alas, it's simply a perfect response. All things considered.
+1 for logi mails |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
958
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:15:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote:You want logistics on killmails, huh? OK, how about we do it like this: For each victim, we list the logi pilots who were supposed to be helping him. But since he's now dead, they are obviously fail-logi pilots. That way you can see who all the bad ones are, and do all sorts of fancy killboard stats of the worst logi pilots in the game. So, if logistics pilots want to get on killmails, it is only fair that when they screw-up, they appear on lossmails too, right? That's great actually. So do that because it would be nice. List them at the very bottom with negative damage, I suppose.
(Actually it's because elite pvpers might feel less inclined to fly logi and that's great for people on the other side of that, heh heh) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:46:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote:You want logistics on killmails, huh? OK, how about we do it like this: For each victim, we list the logi pilots who were supposed to be helping him. But since he's now dead, they are obviously fail-logi pilots. That way you can see who all the bad ones are, and do all sorts of fancy killboard stats of the worst logi pilots in the game. So, if logistics pilots want to get on killmails, it is only fair that when they screw-up, they appear on lossmails too, right?
Yes, that would certainly make flying logistics more interesting.
It could be hilarious actually. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1659
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:55:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote:You want logistics on killmails, huh? OK, how about we do it like this: For each victim, we list the logi pilots who were supposed to be helping him. But since he's now dead, they are obviously fail-logi pilots. That way you can see who all the bad ones are, and do all sorts of fancy killboard stats of the worst logi pilots in the game. So, if logistics pilots want to get on killmails, it is only fair that when they screw-up, they appear on lossmails too, right?
Sounds like the consensus is that we Logi pilots would find that to be a-OK. We want our efforts, futile or otherwise, in battle to be reported on.
I'm always happy to see more info on KMs. Wouldn't mind off-grid boosters showing up. Maybe a breakdown of what weapon systems on each ship did what damage.
The announcer voice guy (cba to look up his name) from R&K suggested figuring out a way to see what refits occurred during the course of a fight. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1333
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:15:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:How exactly would a Logistics ship be represented on a killmail?
welp if a 3rd party logi can pick up GCC in empire it shouldn't be that hard to put a zero dps addition to the KM the mechanism is already there to support identifying logi who assist other players
the failure side is a little tough as the destruction of a ship does not indicate a failure of logi per se, perhaps if it's capital reps you might be able to call outright fail, but with logi in general there could be any reason and being on the loss mail would be a touch misleading.
perhaps if KMs has a supporting players subsection, for the jams, reps and non DPS support that in any way changed the prospects of the victim in the course of the fight The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
343
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:16:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:How exactly would a Logistics ship be represented on a killmail? ... the failure side is a little tough as the destruction of a ship does not indicate a failure of logi per se, perhaps if it's capital reps you might be able to call outright fail, but with logi in general there could be any reason and being on the loss mail would be a touch misleading. ... In this case, I'd argue that a successful kill does not indicate any success of any supporting logis either. Just because they happened to be repping a guy who got a shot on the victim doesn't mean that they in any way contributed - it could just have been a one-sided gank with zero risk. If you want to share in the successes, you must also be equally accountable for the losses. "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1256
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:18:00 -
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Does this need to be a binary choice? Why not change killmails so it shows which logi's repped who and for how much on each killmail. Maybe not that exact solution, but something similar. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:23:00 -
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Also security status and faction rep gain/loss for logi pilots in PvE.
And after two failexpansions it's funny to see people still have hopes for CCP to develop basic common sense based features for EVE while busy with Dust development. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:25:00 -
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Remove killmails and problem solved.
There will be more dudes flying those instead of hunting KM's, and since logis in Eve are overpowered, pretty sure many of those F1 and dmg fans would fly them because e-peen |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1258
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:30:00 -
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Why not create a second killmail type report that the FC can produce at the end of a fleet that breaks down the contributions by each member? This dude repped these people for this total amount of repping, this person shot this many people for this amount of damage total, something like that? |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:30:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote:Morganta wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:How exactly would a Logistics ship be represented on a killmail? ... the failure side is a little tough as the destruction of a ship does not indicate a failure of logi per se, perhaps if it's capital reps you might be able to call outright fail, but with logi in general there could be any reason and being on the loss mail would be a touch misleading. ... In this case, I'd argue that a successful kill does not indicate any success of any supporting logis either. Just because they happened to be repping a guy who got a shot on the victim doesn't mean that they in any way contributed - it could just have been a one-sided gank with zero risk. If you want to share in the successes, you must also be equally accountable for the losses. Good point well made. You've tackled the elephant in the room that is "most people just want to ***** on killmails while flying logistics" which is pretty much why this thread exists imo.
It's a shame really that the killmail system doesn't really take into consideration the passage of time properly. If 5 people shoot a Drake and don't kill it, and it escapes and regenerates its shield completely before dying again, why would the original 5 people be considered part of their death? The damage they had done had long since ceased to be a contributory factor towards their demise.
Likewise, a logi repping someone who didn't need reps to kill someone hasn't really contributed, have they?
It gets even more muddier when you consider the scenario where someone remote sensor boosting someone else enables that person to kill someone (locks faster, victim didn't escape in time as a result) when they otherwise would not have been able to.... |
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