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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:56:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:1) Half of all Caldari "militia" pilots are carebear alts running plexes. I have also heard that a bunch of new carebears are now in Mini trying to farm LP (dont know from what)
Button line is Amar needs to stop pissing and whining and go out and get it done
Well, there is precious little left to farm system wise for minmatar side without running into actual enemy held home system and getting shot in the face and most likely the flood of LP coming to them devaluates it eventually to an about equal level with Nigerian currency in regards "farmers".
Of course for non-farmers it's not an issue since they just use that LP to blot out the sun with firetails and stabber fleet issues.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
443
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Posted - 2012.05.30 13:07:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Okay so, the patch is in are we are a week in now so heres the thoughts and questions to ccp.
So Amarr are outnumbered heavily by the minmatar - never had an issue with this before, lots to shoot. Not... not really. 5539 Min pilots to 4853 Amarr pilots. Caldari outnumber Gallente 8482 to 6399. Quote:CCP released the laughable rules about the sov implications, lock out from station in low sec (not high sec lol) and LP changes based on total system occupancy and the levels of upgrade on those systems. What's "laughable" about them, precisely? It mainly sounds like you don't like them because they adversely affect you. That's understandable, but it doesn't make them poor design decisions. Maybe less QQ, more pewpew and before long you will be > T1? 1) Half of all Caldari "militia" pilots are carebear alts running plexes. I have also heard that a bunch of new carebears are now in Mini trying to farm LP (dont know from what) Button line is Amar needs to stop pissing and whining and go out and get it done
Ok so what your saying is, I need to get my own carebear alts running plexes?
Yeah sorry no thanks.
CCP said they wanted to make occupancy more dependant of pvp instead of pve. But as we start to get into what really works to win the occupancy war we see pvp is not the focus. I guess since the really didn't change anything about the actual plex mechanics it shouldn't be surprising that the same old alts orbiting the button tactic is the best way to victory.
There are allot of new pilots in faction war so there are allot of pilots out there feeding on them. But the way you actually win the occupancy war is still mostly pve. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
15
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:58:00 -
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Considerign as theOP almost never ever leaves auga, and on the 2 weeks prior to the patch when minmatar militia was working.. said OP was continuing to do nothign but camp auga station. I see no reason to bail them from their own incompetence.
Basically amarr militia never even tried to do anything as an organized group.
They do not even take advantage from the fact that they can plex hidden quite easily in the crapton os sytems minmatar have now. No they simply keep bashing their head on same tactics.
I remember so well on these last 3 years how many times said OP boasted in locla how their side was the elite and more organized and etc. Now.. who is laughing? |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
295
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:05:00 -
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Seishi Maru wrote:Considerign as theOP almost never ever leaves auga, and on the 2 weeks prior to the patch when minmatar militia was working.. said OP was continuing to do nothign but camp auga station.
Its not about me its about the future of fw from an amarr side, not about me personally i run a corp, stop thinking this is me saying waah i cant do what i did, i have a pirate alt im going to reactive to get MY personnel need for simple pvp - but my players and the militia still im passionate about.
so you can stop with the personnel attacks, talking as a CEO more than anything else here.
stop focusing on the one payer and think about EVERYONE in fw and the future of fw as a whole, then you might get why this thread is worth making and important.
The "winning" side will get what i mean if the enemy disappears, no one to shoot sucks, you'll be back and i cant wait to stride in waring my "i told you so, you ignorant loosers" t shirt on.
try and think above your own situation for once like im TRYING to do here.
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Owena Owoked
Apocalypse Reign
4
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:20:00 -
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Instead of crying about some figment of your imagination about how FW is now, why don't YOU go out and change YOUR situation. Nobody cares about the amarr because they don't help themselves, and shoot at friendlies. It's your hole. You dug it, now lay in it and HTFU. |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
62
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:25:00 -
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Cearain wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Okay so, the patch is in are we are a week in now so heres the thoughts and questions to ccp.
So Amarr are outnumbered heavily by the minmatar - never had an issue with this before, lots to shoot. Not... not really. 5539 Min pilots to 4853 Amarr pilots. Caldari outnumber Gallente 8482 to 6399. Quote:CCP released the laughable rules about the sov implications, lock out from station in low sec (not high sec lol) and LP changes based on total system occupancy and the levels of upgrade on those systems. What's "laughable" about them, precisely? It mainly sounds like you don't like them because they adversely affect you. That's understandable, but it doesn't make them poor design decisions. Maybe less QQ, more pewpew and before long you will be > T1? 1) Half of all Caldari "militia" pilots are carebear alts running plexes. I have also heard that a bunch of new carebears are now in Mini trying to farm LP (dont know from what) Button line is Amar needs to stop pissing and whining and go out and get it done Ok so what your saying is, I need to get my own carebear alts running plexes? Yeah sorry no thanks. CCP said they wanted to make occupancy more dependant of pvp instead of pve. But as we start to get into what really works to win the occupancy war we see pvp is not the focus. I guess since they didn't change anything about the actual plex mechanics it shouldn't be surprising that the same old alts orbiting the button tactic is the best way to victory. There are allot of new pilots in faction war so there are allot of pilots out there feeding on them. But the way you actually win the occupancy war is still mostly pve.
Done replying to you. Youre hopeless Brig General of The Caldari State
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
295
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:59:00 -
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Owena Owoked wrote:You dug it, now lay in it and HTFU.
confirming Amarr made ccp change fw like they did.
i wonder what we should mess with next.... hhhmmmmm lets change minmatar ships all to have 8 high 8 med and 8 low, yes thats next in our cunning plan to crush ourselves further so i can come back and whine about how unfair it is and we deserved it.
get a damned clue you stupid prat. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Owena Owoked
Apocalypse Reign
4
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:50:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Owena Owoked wrote:You dug it, now lay in it and HTFU. confirming Amarr made ccp change fw like they did. i wonder what we should mess with next.... hhhmmmmm lets change minmatar ships all to have 8 high 8 med and 8 low, yes thats next in our cunning plan to crush ourselves further so i can come back and whine about how unfair it is and we deserved it. get a damned clue you stupid prat. FW has always been based on plexing. You didn't plex the systems and don't plex the systems so you lose them. Fact. You have allies in the Cal Mil, yet you shoot them when they come down to your space so they don't come down to your space to help you. Fact. Welcome to 2010 Cal Mil. Maybe you are the one that needs to get a clue. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
296
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:10:00 -
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Owena Owoked wrote: FW has always been based on plexing.
No it hasnt, and also it never changed the lp costs nor locked you out of system.
FW has always been, up till now, about pvp and nothing more.
I have been i fw for many years i dont even know who you are, look me up i have along history in fw.
NOW its all about plex systems and lp, only with the side effect that you now cant dock, which if the other side has them all is a huge issue for those restricted to low sec. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
443
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:16:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Cearain wrote:
1) Half of all Caldari "militia" pilots are carebear alts running plexes. I have also heard that a bunch of new carebears are now in Mini trying to farm LP (dont know from what)
Button line is Amar needs to stop pissing and whining and go out and get it done
Ok so what your saying is, I need to get my own carebear alts running plexes? Yeah sorry no thanks. CCP said they wanted to make occupancy more dependant of pvp instead of pve. But as we start to get into what really works to win the occupancy war we see pvp is not the focus. I guess since they didn't change anything about the actual plex mechanics it shouldn't be surprising that the same old alts orbiting the button tactic is the best way to victory. There are allot of new pilots in faction war so there are allot of pilots out there feeding on them. But the way you actually win the occupancy war is still mostly pve.
BolsterBomb wrote: Done replying to you. Youre hopeless
I'm agreeing with you. Your the one who said half caldari militia is 50% carebear alts running plexes and Amarr needs to get that done. I'm just agreeing with you that this is how the occupancy war as currently set up is won.
We can disagree on whether this is desirable or not but at least we agree on how this war is, in fact, won. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Maximus Hashur
Free Kandee IDENTITY UNKN0WN
6
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:31:00 -
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JIm Hammer wrote:JIm Hammer wrote:JIm Hammer wrote:LoL Cry much? HAHAHA P.. poor planning prevents P..poor performance O7 \ lol that just dosnt look right ROFL :) Lets try that again....Prior planning prevents P.. poor performance again ROFL
PRIOR PROPER PLANNING PREVENTS **** POOR PERFORMANCE - they drill that **** into the RL military mind.
IM not FW but it seems this persons problem is a lack of FW participants on the Amarr side. Am i correct?
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Owena Owoked
Apocalypse Reign
4
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:53:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Plexing wasn't added this patch. Just because you only saw it as a free wardec doesn't mean that was the whole system. Adapt or GTFO. |
Haulie Berry
155
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:56:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Owena Owoked wrote: FW has always been based on plexing.
No it hasnt, and also it never changed the lp costs nor locked you out of system. FW has always been, up till now, about pvp and nothing more. I have been i fw for many years i dont even know who you are, look me up i have along history in fw. NOW its all about plex systems and lp, only with the side effect that you now cant dock, which if the other side has all the systems occupied, is a huge issue for those restricted to low sec due to security standings.
Faction war today is a VASTLY better system than it was a month ago.
I'm sorry you don't like it. That is a personal problem. On the whole? Huge improvement. Why don't you try adapting? You have a horde of new players at your disposal in the form of Fweddit who could probably be a force to be reckoned with if they had some guidance from more experienced FW pilots. |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
33
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:00:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Owena Owoked wrote: FW has always been based on plexing.
No it hasnt, and also it never changed the lp costs nor locked you out of system. FW has always been, up till now, about pvp and nothing more. I have been i fw for many years i dont even know who you are, look me up i have along history in fw. NOW its all about plex systems and lp, only with the side effect that you now cant dock, which if the other side has all the systems occupied, is a huge issue for those restricted to low sec due to security standings. Faction war today is a VASTLY better system than it was a month ago. I'm sorry you don't like it. That is a personal problem. On the whole? Huge improvement. Why don't you try adapting? You have a horde of new players at your disposal in the form of Fweddit who could probably be a force to be reckoned with if they had some guidance from more experienced FW pilots.
The system is better. But let's also face facts. The npc's in the rats are a real issue. Minmitar being numerically superioir isn't a problem as it's only temporary (FW nature) but when a swarm of vigil's can take plexes afk where the other side needs a couple of piolts, ammo and tank......it doesn't matter how much you adapt, it's still broken.
Had this been the reverse the Minmitar would be shedding just as many tears.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
300
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:01:00 -
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its not a case of liking it (which for the record i dont) its about the war drying up with people who actually have the resources to do so consistently.
sure im one guy and my corp one corp, but if you cant see the insane uphill struggle ahead to be able to survive you are simply aiding the destruction of what was a decent consistent fight.
without a decent 200 man plus corp joining to aid amarr with a few billion to spending doing so, amarrs numbers will fall, attitudes and morale falling leaving the "winners' with no one to fight - this CANT be the way ccp wanted it to go because its basicly a 2-3 month extinction of fw.
Hey, if you hate me and my whines just dont post and wait a few months and then come back and see where we all are. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Owena Owoked
Apocalypse Reign
4
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:09:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:its not a case of liking it (which for the record i dont) its about the war drying up with people who actually have the resources to do so consistently.
sure im one guy and my corp one corp, but if you cant see the insane uphill struggle ahead to be able to survive you are simply aiding the destruction of what was a decent consistent fight.
without a decent 200 man plus corp joining to aid amarr with a few billion to spending doing so, amarrs numbers will fall, attitudes and morale falling leaving the "winners' with no one to fight - this CANT be the way ccp wanted it to go because its basicly a 2-3 month extinction of fw.
Hey, if you hate me and my whines just dont post and wait a few months and then come back and see where we all are. Offensive plexers are going to be incursion style rich and you are still going to be bitching because WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NPCs are hard... Hint, I fly Amarr, have instant change ammo and if you don't want to waste your IN ammo shooting rats bring cheap crystals to plexing.
Or you could fly around killing these "AFK" vigils, and honestly I haven't even noticed being locked out of stations. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
446
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:08:00 -
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Owena Owoked wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:its not a case of liking it (which for the record i dont) its about the war drying up with people who actually have the resources to do so consistently.
sure im one guy and my corp one corp, but if you cant see the insane uphill struggle ahead to be able to survive you are simply aiding the destruction of what was a decent consistent fight.
without a decent 200 man plus corp joining to aid amarr with a few billion to spending doing so, amarrs numbers will fall, attitudes and morale falling leaving the "winners' with no one to fight - this CANT be the way ccp wanted it to go because its basicly a 2-3 month extinction of fw.
Hey, if you hate me and my whines just dont post and wait a few months and then come back and see where we all are. Offensive plexers are going to be incursion style rich and you are still going to be bitching because WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NPCs are hard... Hint, I fly Amarr, have instant change ammo and if you don't want to waste your IN ammo shooting rats bring cheap crystals to plexing. Or you could fly around killing these "AFK" vigils, and honestly I haven't even noticed being locked out of stations.
How are we going to be incursion style rich when our lp is worth 4xs less than even high sec npc corp lp? The tags aren't going to be worth as much either because the poor return on lp means people won't even need to tags. Its the winning sides tags that will be in high demand.
So you spend 20 minutes running too minors and get 20k lp that is worth about 500isk/lp. Thats a whopping 10 million for 20 minutes of pve. Multiply that by 3 and you are making 30 million per hour - after you take the time to get the items you need for the lp store and sell them. This assumes no one kills you forcing your to go god knows how many jumps to get a new ship.
How do you figure this is even coming close to incursions?
"Adapt" = do not fight for the losing side.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
446
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:11:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Owena Owoked wrote: FW has always been based on plexing.
No it hasnt, and also it never changed the lp costs nor locked you out of system. FW has always been, up till now, about pvp and nothing more. I have been i fw for many years i dont even know who you are, look me up i have along history in fw. NOW its all about plex systems and lp, only with the side effect that you now cant dock, which if the other side has all the systems occupied, is a huge issue for those restricted to low sec due to security standings. Faction war today is a VASTLY better system than it was a month ago. I'm sorry you don't like it. That is a personal problem. On the whole? Huge improvement. Why don't you try adapting? You have a horde of new players at your disposal in the form of Fweddit who could probably be a force to be reckoned with if they had some guidance from more experienced FW pilots. The system is better. But let's also face facts. The npc's in the rats are a real issue. Minmitar being numerically superioir isn't a problem as it's only temporary (FW nature) but when a swarm of vigil's can take plexes afk where the other side needs a couple of piolts, ammo and tank......it doesn't matter how much you adapt, it's still broken. Had this been the reverse the Minmitar would be shedding just as many tears. FACT
Just get rid of the npcs and notify the players when plexes are being attacked. If they want to fight for them they can. If they don't they won't, and will lose occupancy.
Having the results of faction war depend on the strength of red crosses is horrible. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Wenron
Rifterlings
2
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:21:00 -
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Not to dismiss anything that has been said, but holy crap.
A frigate soloing your plex? How about chasing him off or killing him? I mean they have beacons show up on the overview for a reason. You can see what's there.
Is FW about plexing? No. Is plexing a part, yes.
Is FW supposed to be solo? No. Are you finding yourself outnumbered in a system? Try another one until you get favorable odds.
Are you worried about ship costs and sustaining your wallet? Fly cheap, fly in small groups, and choose your fights.* Protip* You can make money looting wrecks of ships that you blow up and get LP for blowing them up! Hell, you can pay for half the crap I fly by killing two or three belt rats (you will also improve your sec status \o/).
Is the system now perfect? Hell no, but it is better than before in terms of fighting over something and forcing conflict.
I understand that everything above may suck if you have zero access to high sec trade hubs, but sec status is fixable. It sucks ass being on the losing side, but it isn't completely debilitating. Fighting smarter is not necessarily harder.
Doing this will help make things tolerable while the system is tweaked. If it isn't tweaked soon enough or to your satisfaction, that is your call. These are just opinions of an extremely casual player without much free time FWIW. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
446
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:42:00 -
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Wenron wrote:Not to dismiss anything that has been said, but holy crap.
A frigate soloing your plex? How about chasing him off or killing him? I mean they have beacons show up on the overview for a reason. You can see what's there. .
They will just start plexing another system. At which point you can keep chasing them and trying to track down where they went or you can just let them plex in peace. A notification system would help fight against these ninja plexers.
Wenron wrote: Is FW about plexing? No. Is plexing a part, yes. .
All the new consequences are based on plexing.
Wenron wrote: Is FW supposed to be solo? No. Are you finding yourself outnumbered in a system? Try another one until you get favorable odds..
I think fw is part of the sandbox so I don't know that ccp has said either way it is or is not supposed to be for solo. Plexing traditionally has been a great way for solo pvpers to get fights. Often when you are a casual player solo is the quickest way to get out there and get some pvp.
Wenron wrote: Are you worried about ship costs and sustaining your wallet? Fly cheap, fly in small groups, and choose your fights.* Protip* You can make money looting wrecks of ships that you blow up and get LP for blowing them up! Hell, you can pay for half the crap I fly by killing two or three belt rats (you will also improve your sec status \o/)..
If you fly cheap t1 frigates you will need 2 or 3 times as many plexers to fight one enemy destroyer or faction frigate.
Wenron wrote: Is the system now perfect? Hell no, but it is better than before in terms of fighting over something and forcing conflict.
I understand that everything above may suck if you have zero access to high sec trade hubs, but sec status is fixable. It sucks ass being on the losing side, but it isn't completely debilitating. Fighting smarter is not necessarily harder.
Doing this will help make things tolerable while the system is tweaked. If it isn't tweaked soon enough or to your satisfaction, that is your call. These are just opinions of an extremely casual player without much free time FWIW.
Or just join the winning side. You will make more isk instead of less isk for the exact same activity and you won't be restricted in where you can dock.
In fact when you see someone plexing in your system they won't be able to dock and switch ships, so you can fit some racial jammers and look like a pro on the killboards. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Wenron
Rifterlings
2
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Posted - 2012.05.30 22:05:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
Or just join the winning side. You will make more isk instead of less isk for the exact same activity and you won't be restricted in where you can dock.
In fact when you see someone plexing in your system they won't be able to dock and switch ships, so you can fit some racial jammers and look like a pro on the killboards.
To reiterate, the system now isn't great (but it is an improvement in terms of forcing FW activity), and being on the losing side means you'll be eating turd sandwiches. There is a lot of room for improvement.
One improvement may be a militia recruiting freeze for the winning faction. Seems to me that would keep the band wagoners at bay and may be justifiable in the sense that what is the point of expanding your standing fighting force when you have no immediate need for them?
I won't get into other obvious improvements with plexes as they have been beaten to death. However, I will offer that station lockouts make sense for any systems owned by the opposing faction with the exception of the militia stations. If the amarr take a minmatar system, minmatar miltia members should be able to dock at the TLF stations. In response to this, maybe the station guns can be manned by amarr militia or there is limited or no hangar access so there is a consequence for trying to dock? Or perhaps there is a dock timer which will give you just enough time to repair before being booted out? I don't know, but it seems silly that the TLF should retain a station in a system owned by the opposing faction like business as usual. It should be a stronghold in hostile territory. I do understand that it is also silly that minmatar corps can retain all of their assets in a system overrun by amarr or vice versa.
I am simply offering alternatives. It is true that flying cheap is not glorious and involves a lot of pod trips. It is true that to take on a destroyer or faction frig you may need more people. If you are casual and solo, a lot will depend on how mobile and alert you are. You are fighting an uphill battle all the way. Get enough people to do this and fan out across many systems that may not be as populated and I suspect that you may be able to snag a few of them.
With the min/amarr militias as they are now, no systems will be taken unless strategies drastically change. What I don't want to see is one faction or the majority of a faction give up.
Lastly, my opinion is that if you join FW expressly to make crazy isk, you are doing it wrong. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
448
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Posted - 2012.05.30 23:11:00 -
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Having a winning side no longer able to take on new players might be worth thinking about. I admit I haven't thought it through on how it would work with corps and alliances.
As far as station lockouts. They don't make any sense from the rp lore we are given. Concord/empire space is governed by the rules of concord. According to those rules privately held npc corporations let people dock regardless of who has sov. Why would the quafe or roden stop allowing gallente to dock in caldari sov space, but allow them in minmatar space but not allow caldari to dock there. Its the private corp that controls the station and sets the fees etc. Not the soveriegn.
As far as one side giving up I really don't care. Gallente had pretty much given up before these lopsided consequences. I think encouraging ccp to continue with bad mechanics by continuing to play no matter how bad they are is a bad idea. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
62
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Posted - 2012.05.30 23:12:00 -
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There's alot of derp in this section. Amarr can easily solo any plex out there. I've soloed minors, mediums and majors. I've not run an unrestricted Major yet. I like the station lockouts. However, the 4x LP thing is harsh for them po' folks. I can see the scale being 1, 1.25, 1.5, 2.0. But 4x just makes me not even pay attention to LP gains. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
448
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Posted - 2012.05.30 23:19:00 -
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Jones Bones wrote:There's alot of derp in this section. Amarr can easily solo any plex out there. I've soloed minors, mediums and majors. I've not run an unrestricted Major yet. I like the station lockouts. However, the 4x LP thing is harsh for them po' folks. I can see the scale being 1, 1.25, 1.5, 2.0. But 4x just makes me not even pay attention to LP gains.
Soloing even gated majors in a bc is pretty tough except for some select fits. Often you have to kite them and lose time on the timer. I suppose you are using a heavy missile drake - the quintessential pve and pvp ship. Try it in a ham drake, hurricane, myrm or a harbinger. Forget about what the minmatar need to use to run our major plexes.
As far as the lp gains I think its ok for the winning side to get the increase they do. It only comes from investing allot of lp to begin with. But punishing the losing side to make their lp so much worse than high sec stores is pretty hard to swallow. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
38
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Posted - 2012.05.30 23:24:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Faction war today is a VASTLY better system than it was a month ago. I have mixed feelings about the station docking mechanics, but it sure feels like the new system is working, at least in Gallente/Caldari FW. The combination of carrot and stick has gotten the CalMil LP farmers involved in the actual warfare, and the warfare has shifted more towards smaller scale, smaller ship battles. Which unlike big LogiBlob fleet fights, people aren't ****-scared of losing and will actually commit to.
And there's still space for the LogiBlob action on bunkers, just.. less focus on it. Which is for the better. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
302
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:44:00 -
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about the plex solo thing: If you do not do the plex solo you have to share the LP with anyone else in the plex, with the LP being worth squat anyway you would be insane to plex with more people to actually try and turn a profit since, more plexers dont make the timers run down any faster.
You would be wasting time and potential profit, being 4-5x less anyway for the LP its just pretty much stupid to think you can make anything like good money, when you can run a lvl 4 in high sec keep it all AND have better profit ratios AND GUESS WHAT you can dock where the heck you like. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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so, you need more people and mobilize them to get systems back to make it worthwile again.
I'd say live up to the challenge and start recruiting! |
Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:30:00 -
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I have over 300k LP and I've only actively plexed for 2 days. WTF are you on about Muad?
Is retaking space for Amarr going to be easy? No. But I didn't join Amarr FW for EZ MODE. I am Jones Bones, savior and messiah sent from Mother Amamake to save her little Amarrian children. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:32:00 -
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I really don't get it, if someone should start whining then this should be Minmatar! Why? Because there are only like 5 Amarr systems left where you can do offensive plexing or run missions in. This naturally ends up with you always get blobbed because it is so crowdy there. But we don't whine.
So Amarr, stop whining and start thinking out of the box, having like 50 systems available to run missions and plexing is really a huge benefit. Furthermore, getting less for your LP is not an issue because at the same time the prices for Amarr Faction Stuff have risen significantly (just take a lookt at slicer prices for example). So stop moaning and start thinking. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
452
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:00:00 -
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Jones Bones wrote:I have over 300k LP and I've only actively plexed for 2 days. WTF are you on about Muad?
Is retaking space for Amarr going to be easy? No. But I didn't join Amarr FW for EZ MODE. I am Jones Bones, savior and messiah sent from Mother Amamake to save her little Amarrian children.
If you got that isk from plexing then the shortest way for you to get that isk would be to run 10 major plexes. Assuming you could run them without ever having to travel to redock to repair and totally ideal conditions then it would take you 200 minutes. That is 3.333 hours of straight plexing. If you get 500 isk per lp - which I think would be quite hard in our horrible lp store, you would get 150 million isk for 3.333 hours of pve. 45 million isk per hour after you take the time to sort out what you need for what items in the lp store etc. High sec incursions are making 2xs that in straight isk and getting much much better lp on top of that.
I know you are space rich and don't have to worry about such petty things. But for the sake of the space poor, who have to worry about such things, you should know that is not a good economic use of your time.
Couple of points to make here.
Running the majors will not help the overall war effort as running minors both give equal vp as far as I know.
Yes you would get some extra isk if you collected the tags. But in a major that would likely mean you have to leave the orbit radius extending the time it takes to do the plex. The tags in the minor are not worth collecting IMO. The medium plex tags have a few that might add some isk but not really helpful when you consider the time it takes you outside the orbit radius. Because our lp store is so awefully uncompetitive combined with the fact that we have so many offensive plexes dropping tags I don't think the tags are going to be worth much. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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