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Teck7
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.23 05:16:00 -
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It is amazing when you contrast the results from the blog post with the member counts of some better known "farming" groups. If you check the member count trend charts of solar wing, shadow of xXDeathXx and ultima ratio, you can not help but take notice of roughly 2750 characters dropping in total from the combined groups at the exact same time of the RMT bans.
So, the question becomes, at what point is the association of RMT actions escalated from the actions of the few to the actions of the many inside an organization; more to the point, when does or should CCP escalate action to the corporation or alliance level by disbanding the corp/alli or taking actions against those running them.
I am more than sure CCP has already drawn these associations of where RMT farmers/traders tend to mass, be they solar systems (mission hubs) or 0.0 alliances to facilitate macro ratting/mining. Though it would not be nearly as impartial of CCP to start naming alliance/corporations as they do solar systems, nevertheless it still remains a fact that those associations do exist and at what point should CCP start taking action above simple account level bans in the interest of disbanding "organized crime" if you will. |
Zorpaco
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Posted - 2009.08.23 11:18:00 -
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Mahalo for taking these RMT's out! Great job!
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Sweet Yoni
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:55:00 -
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Question: When 6200 accounts get banned why do i still see roughly the same average accounts online? Come on.. 6200 accounts should make a real difference here!
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.24 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sweet Yoni Question: When 6200 accounts get banned why do i still see roughly the same average accounts online? Come on.. 6200 accounts should make a real difference here!
You must have missed the "EVE is dying! Look at the number decrease over the summer" posts there have been in General Discussion recently. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:10:00 -
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Yeah, I saw this blog and the in game post when you log in, and really was vaguely unimpressed. Maybe if CCP did this kind of patrolling and banning once a month (like any other self-respecting professional MMO does) it might actually amount to something; but this does nothing but provide a VERY short term annoyance to the RMTers. They'll be back. They always come back.
Take it from a 6 year veteran: CCP does this mass banning about once every 18-24 months. Then the RMTers spend 2-6 weeks setting up again, and we are all right back where we started.
Until CCP starts taking RMTers (i.e. macroers and mission farmers) seriously, and starts devoting major (as in more than 3 dudes on part time duty) FULL-TIME manpower to this problem, we will always see isk seller spams in local. Oh, and yes, I haven't seen a drop off of that AT ALL. So, CCP must not have hurt them TOO badly.....
So, nice try CCP; but really it only amounts to a Band-Aid on a gunshot wound as your efforts normally do. Wake me when you actually decide to get serious about this problem. For now, back to my hole.
Cheers all.
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Artora
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:23:00 -
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Hey any forward progress is better than nothing. Yeah they might get banned and come back, but it's a continious process. They lose their Hulk account then go right back to forums and buy another one to replace it. CCP have to understand that a couple of billion ISK for a new mining account is nothing to these macro'ers since they farm by the billions every hour.
I've been with this game from the start and as it gets bigger there will be more problems, as long as CCP acknowledges and look for newer ways of dealing with this issue the game will continue to grow. When they stop that is when it will all fall apart. Remember Earth & Beyond shut down in 2004 because lack of content and self policing of problems, ddon't let it happen to this game too.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2009.08.27 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Artora Hey any forward progress is better than nothing. Yeah they might get banned and come back, but it's a continious process. They lose their Hulk account then go right back to forums and buy another one to replace it. CCP have to understand that a couple of billion ISK for a new mining account is nothing to these macro'ers since they farm by the billions every hour.
I've been with this game from the start and as it gets bigger there will be more problems, as long as CCP acknowledges and look for newer ways of dealing with this issue the game will continue to grow. When they stop that is when it will all fall apart. Remember Earth & Beyond shut down in 2004 because lack of content and self policing of problems, ddon't let it happen to this game too.
True that. I suppose it is better than doing NOTHING at all.
Still, is just annoys me when CCP puts forth minimal effort and then expects some sort of award or applause for it. My point is that the company wasn't always that way. If you've been around, you know what CCP used to be like in the beginning: i.e. people who believed in the game, believed in their customers, believed in a hard days work, and believed that Eve was something special. Now it just seems like the corporate atmosphere at CCP is: "Do as little as possible to get as much money as possible." Oh yeah, kinda like the RMTers.
Meh. I'm just spouting off, It's not like I'm going anywhere. I'm as hooked as the next Eve junkie. Problem is CCP knows it. Bigger problem is that they are starting to count on that to carry them. That atmosphere worries me for the future of the game honestly....
Oh well, back to my hole.
Cheers.
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Artora
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Posted - 2009.08.27 21:28:00 -
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It might seem like that CCP is not doing anything but in fact they are. They come out with Plex to slow down RMT's but I have not read much about it since I find it cheaper paying by the year. To be quite honest, I don't know how CCP can truly get rid of RMT'ers if players are willing to pay for such services. Banning is a start but there must be an easier way of doing it. I have not noticed drop with the amount of people online when I log in, but I have noticed the roid fields are much bigger than they use to be . CCP will eventually find easier ways of finding RMT's and getting rid of them. I always petition CCP when I get an Eve-mail or those people who spam in local to promote RMT. I just don't know how long it will take them to get to it but I always petition it under exploit.
Hang in there, the game is great and getting better with every patch.
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Rawbin Hood
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.29 04:57:00 -
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streaks across the forum in joy
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Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2009.08.30 18:00:00 -
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Woots Good fraking Job CCP 07
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Razeer Andreans
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Posted - 2009.08.30 22:19:00 -
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Keep up the good work CCP.
I am a newish (2months) player, working hard to earn my own ISK and training to get a Hulk (still a way off yet). People who just buy Isk or ships with real money are just cheeting themselves.
If you are clampimg down of the isk sellers, as well as taking action against those supplying them the ISK, can you not do something about the websites that are blatantly selling it? For example evecookies.com says that you can buy ISK, ships, implants and boasts that it has been doing so since 2007!
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Quri
Gallente The 4th Amendment Society Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2009.08.30 23:24:00 -
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My-my, now I have finally found an answer to all crazy imp prices jumps I was trying to understand :)
I thought it were players, but it was CCP :)
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Narcissus Tombs
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Posted - 2009.08.31 03:33:00 -
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Fantastic work CCP! The effects of "Unholy Rage" Are incredibly clear, even before I saw the charts. In two Weeks, the price of plexes has shot down 50 mil ISK on average, and the supply has rocketed! A testament to just how much you guys did, I noticed this even before I heard about "Unholy Rage".
Congratulations EVE Devs! I don't know of any other game that cares so much about their game, or goes to such great lengths to preserve it.
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fuze
Gallente Quam Singulari Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.08.31 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sylthi My point is that the company wasn't always that way. If you've been around, you know what CCP used to be like in the beginning: i.e. people who believed in the game, believed in their customers, believed in a hard days work, and believed that Eve was something special. Now it just seems like the corporate atmosphere at CCP is: "Do as little as possible to get as much money as possible." Oh yeah, kinda like the RMTers.
/qft
That said back then these criminals weren't aware of these potential money making schemes. Even then early in the game a lot of sploits/bots/macros were used and a lot of those people got away. So CCP always have been reactive towards this and can't remember any pro-active actions. The only action that actually worked was to give players the opportunity to get their ISK by means of GTC. Without that it would have been much worse.
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Morgan Blair
Gallente Fidelis Discordia
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Posted - 2009.09.01 19:55:00 -
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Thank you CCP!
I think a number of players were feeling discontented, because not knowing that you were fighting the RMT problem made people feel like you didn't care about it. As it is, you see some ignorant people accusing you of duplicityąI imagine that the cost of supporting accounts running macros 23/7 outweighs the server cost of supporting those accounts (aside from the way it impacts the environment you're trying to provide for a playerūrun economy).
To those who think that PLEX is no different then illegal ISK (or that the only difference is that money "goes to CCP instead"):
News flash: CCP doesn't sell ISK. CCP sells subscriptions to EVE. PLEX = subscription. When you pay real world currencies to CCP for PLEX, you aren't paying CCP for ISK, you're paying for an account subscription. This subscription represents the opportunity to generate in-game assets through playing the game. Macro mining and automated mission farming isn't playing the game. Aside from being a TOS violation, it is a disruption to the game environment on many levels.
For example, when I started playing EVE, I was excited by the idea of becoming a skilled prospector, amassing wealth and resources by engaging in a non-combat activity. I was very disappointed to find that a) as a newbie player in a newbie system, there were never any asteroids for me to harvest, and b) there was minimal profit to be had.
Some people complain that "mining is boring", or that macro miners provide a service to the players by doing things that "real" people don't want to do. Well, maybe you don't want to do it, but if it's profitable (which it can be, if macro miners aren't upsetting the market value created by supply and demand), then I can guarantee you that there will be players who find those "boring" activities to be fun.
Once again, thank you CCP! Keep up the fight!
-M.B.
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FleetAdmiral Gruffel
Gruffel Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 22:14:00 -
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For the first time in years - I am really impressed by CCP
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Venerat
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Posted - 2009.09.02 01:12:00 -
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Well done CCP, i think this deserves a round of pats on the back.
Keep up the good work
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JKIILL
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Posted - 2009.09.03 23:08:00 -
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I love the smell of RMT wrecks in the morning.
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Tar om
Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:38:00 -
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Fantastic work, well done to you all. This is a major boost to EVE and its credibility. -- Come join the carebear napfest train, everyone is welcome! |
Ab Tallen
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.04 14:53:00 -
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Unsurprisingly, other MMO companies have similar problems, see Yahoo Tech: Virtual detectives stalk in-game spammers.
Quote: This nine-member team focuses on in-game fraud, working like detectives as they police SOE's game worlds in search of spammers and try to uncover their entire operations.
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Zee11
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Posted - 2009.09.07 14:36:00 -
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The next thing you need to do is run a program that will lock onto the verbage those guys use in the trading systems that spam the chat channels, I get tired of looking at that stuff and a chat monitoring channel for those key words can't be too hard.
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Greg Vaganza
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Posted - 2009.09.07 22:57:00 -
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Hey CCP, you did a great job getting (more or less) rid of the RMT!!
Never the less the interpretation of CPU use is missleading. You say that the CPU use was cut by 30% banning about 6.200 users which is 2% of all players.The point is that you should see it in relation to the average amount of users online - they take the cpu power - not to all players and the 2% cut. So when you take the average amount of parallel users online you reach a number of about 35.000. Now dividing 6.200 Users through 35.000 you get 17,7 %. That means that the cut by about 18% (because RMT are online 23/7) brings a 30% CPU benefit - this numbers are also very impressive. On one hand this higher CPU load on the servers (1,66 times more than an average user) can be a result of a software collecting multiple data to ensure its work, on the other hand this can also be a result of the higher amount of data (positions, actions and so on) to be processed in the RMT-Hubs (Your example: Ingunn) and beeing sent to other players in the system.
Thanks Greg.
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Max Essen
Gallente Bison Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.08 13:27:00 -
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Excellent job CCP.
Please ignore the forum trolls and those who would nit-pick or whine about everything. This has and is a welcome effort. Keep it up!
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:41:00 -
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So, have there ever been any stats on false positives?
Or is CCP taking the 'political DA' approach and claiming that anyone accused must be guilty, otherwise why would they be accused?
After all, CCP is expecting rewards based off how big the numbers are, not how accurate.
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