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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith
My :RAGE: is coming from we've heard for months about these changes to Sov that are going to happen, I then hear about a new game (that's console only) that ties in with Sov.
I guess your mind kind of erased the part where CCP said that the sov changes were coming in the winter patch?
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ivanna Nuke on 18/08/2009 11:54:52
Originally by: Vector Aeon Okay, this does have the potential to screw up what some people believe to be vital sov mechanics in one way or another.
However, the absolutely earth-shattering step CCP could be taking, merging EVE with a futuristic combat MMO platform (thinking PlanetSide-like here)... well, as someone who has played a lot of EVE and a lot of FPS... this could be the greatest merge of gaming and game genres of all time.
My only gripe is @ the 'console only' bit... those two words guarantee the game will be dead in 5 years. That will need to be fixed, IMO. I can count on one hand how many still-active online shooters have come off consoles with fingers to spare. And, let's face it, an experimental title like this is unlikely to be the next Halo.
Don't crucially integrate EVE's slow-burning environment with the FPS console world of three-month half-lifes and rapid playerbase decay. Instead go with the Half-Life like PC FPS communities that refuse to die. People still play CS and PlanetSide as well as the Unreal games. Because, 10 years from now when PS3 and X360 are dead technology, and people are still upgrading and playing EVE on new boxes (hedging a bet this game will survive 10 more years, forgive me) that FPS integration means absolutely nothing.
I won't lie, I'm absolutely in love with this idea, but let's just tread with caution when dealing with console games and the gamers they produce- while the concept is incredible the playerbases are critical as well to success or failure- and hordes of raging 13-year-old XBL pubbies could do what many others have failed to do- make EVE unplayable.
TL:DR; Awesome potential, but console games burn out way too fast, integrating with slow-mo EVE is asking for instability in both game 'worlds'. Also consoles are fail.
I agree, well wrote but sadly CCP could not give a **** about it's playerbases choices.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:57:00 -
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consoles are stupid, especially for FPS games. I'm not going to look into it...
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bonny Lee Dont know if this was posted but this is a trailer it seems http://video.golem.de/games/2283/dust-514-ego-shooter-im-universum-von-eve-online-gamescom-2009.html
After going oooohhhh shiney at the game trailer skip to 3:10 and hear how the console players will directly effect 0.0 sov.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Ariane VoxDei
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie They killed their Vampire MMO. What remains if you kill Vampires? Dust!
More like, what happens to structures on the surface, when hit by orbital bombardment from a blob of dreads.
Can't help but think back to a old game. Master of Orion II. Knock out the defending fleet and station (POS). Then crush surface based defenses from space, before sending your own troop transports down. Of you didn't just kill off the whole pop with neutron boms, or took the whole planet off the grid by using the stellar converter and made asteroids out of it -- that last bit might be too tempting for Chribba.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Bonny Lee Dont know if this was posted but this is a trailer it seems http://video.golem.de/games/2283/dust-514-ego-shooter-im-universum-von-eve-online-gamescom-2009.html
After going oooohhhh shiney at the game trailer skip to 3:10 and hear how the console players will directly effect 0.0 sov.
A careful interpretation would be that hiring a Dust team (and them being successful) is the equivalent of anchoring a POS in the system. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
moola
Band Of Frogs
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:11:00 -
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If its Console only its a pathetic attempt to CASH in on the console market, EVE = cashcow much?, hope it fails hard along with WiS.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:12:00 -
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I sure hope there will be a PC port for this. I have no problem with buy another game, but I draw the line at a console.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 18/08/2009 12:13:13
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Bonny Lee Dont know if this was posted but this is a trailer it seems http://video.golem.de/games/2283/dust-514-ego-shooter-im-universum-von-eve-online-gamescom-2009.html
After going oooohhhh shiney at the game trailer skip to 3:10 and hear how the console players will directly effect 0.0 sov.
If you listen carefully, he's saying it will be ONE of the input in sov (emphasis mine). So not the only input, just one of several.
From the german news-byte, you could infer that "orders" to a Dust-group will show up as a sort of quest to them in game. So essentially it allows you to hire dust-teams for conquest operations, but that won't change sov on its own, other inputs will be required.
As for the title: perhaps implying that each death (or "dust" if you will) adds up and that 514 is the maximum a Duster can take before the system fails to work?
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:13:00 -
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April fools must have come early (late?) this year.. right... right? ________________________________________________
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Millith on 18/08/2009 12:16:12
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Bonny Lee Dont know if this was posted but this is a trailer it seems http://video.golem.de/games/2283/dust-514-ego-shooter-im-universum-von-eve-online-gamescom-2009.html
After going oooohhhh shiney at the game trailer skip to 3:10 and hear how the console players will directly effect 0.0 sov.
So it sounds like what I feared, it would have direct impact on 0.0 sov.....
This is a horrible idea.
Do not take 0.0 sov control away from the people who live in it. --------------------------------------------
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis I sure hope there will be a PC port for this. I have no problem with buy another game, but I draw the line at a console.
Like I said in the other thread they're nuts not to bring this to PC.
It's an untapped market.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 18/08/2009 12:13:13
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Bonny Lee Dont know if this was posted but this is a trailer it seems http://video.golem.de/games/2283/dust-514-ego-shooter-im-universum-von-eve-online-gamescom-2009.html
After going oooohhhh shiney at the game trailer skip to 3:10 and hear how the console players will directly effect 0.0 sov.
If you listen carefully, he's saying it will be ONE of the input in sov (emphasis mine). So not the only input, just one of several.
Isn't that what I said? A direct influance that can only be made positive by hiring console players to fight against the ones you rival alliance hired to undermine your sov?
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Isn't that what I said? A direct influance that can only be made positive by hiring console players to fight against the ones you rival alliance hired to undermine your sov?
The question is, how much of an influence. How much is a planet worth? The same as a POS? More? What is the average ratio of Planets to possible POS placements in a system? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Hopefully there will be a pc client as its simple as can be to port over from the 360 to pc. Otherwise I'm not going to buy a 360 just for this game.
yah it may be simple to port, but then you still have crap console aiming. they should develop for pc and THEN port it to consoles.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:23:00 -
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Then again it is REALLY REALLY hard to see how this will turn out without seeing the system they use to integrate Eve and Dust together allowing the alliances and corps to communicate. One of the major problems is this not being on the PC, making Teamspeak / Vent useless in most cases, so they will have to really upgrade the hell out of Eve Voice to make it compatible with Dust.
Secondly what happens if there isn't enough people as expected playing?
Third, Is this gonna be on the 360?
Fourth, this may just turn out to people having to play Dust 514 while they mine veldspar or mission ________________________________________________
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Heroldyn
Originally by: Zeba Hopefully there will be a pc client as its simple as can be to port over from the 360 to pc. Otherwise I'm not going to buy a 360 just for this game.
yah it may be simple to port, but then you still have crap console aiming. they should develop for pc and THEN port it to consoles.
That's the real kicker in the nads for me.
That they've decided to make it console only. --------------------------------------------
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Zeba Isn't that what I said? A direct influance that can only be made positive by hiring console players to fight against the ones you rival alliance hired to undermine your sov?
The question is, how much of an influence. How much is a planet worth? The same as a POS? More? What is the average ratio of Planets to possible POS placements in a system?
From the limited info from the video I can only guess it will either give you a boost or a hit to your sov but never break it. however thats just pure conjecture as I was fairly certain only a few post ago that they would never tie it in to 0.0 sov. I'm definitely looking forward to a dev responce on this one.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: Heroldyn
Originally by: Zeba Hopefully there will be a pc client as its simple as can be to port over from the 360 to pc. Otherwise I'm not going to buy a 360 just for this game.
yah it may be simple to port, but then you still have crap console aiming. they should develop for pc and THEN port it to consoles.
That's the real kicker in the nads for me.
That they've decided to make it console only.
Could you imagine what they could do if they made this available on the PC? What about the PC that amazes me is not always the quality of the stuff you can do, but how much you can do at once, how many menues you can cram in cause you can use a mouse instead of a joystick.
They mentioned RTS being a part of it, so if it was on the console, you can have ground soldiers, and then commanders that sends in reinforcements, NPC drones flying around or turret batteries, and then you have other people as drop ship pilots.
I think it wouldn't hurt to have it on both, but limiting it to people who have a certain console is terrible. ________________________________________________
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest I think it wouldn't hurt to have it on both, but limiting it to people who have a certain console is terrible.
He does say 'consoles' in the plural so it will be 360/ps3 at least. Good for me as the ps3 has free online access.
*ahem*
STILL DO WANT PC CLIENT THOUGH AND WILL NOT BUY PS3 COPY UNTIL IT IS CONFIRMED NO PC RELEASE!!!!
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba STILL DO WANT PC CLIENT THOUGH AND WILL NOT BUY PS3 COPY UNTIL IT IS CONFIRMED NO PC RELEASE!!!!
Personally, it's more like WILL NOT BUY PS3 COPY UNLESS IT HAS MOUSE/KB-SUPPORT!!!! A PC Release is an adequate substitute for that functionality, though. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest I think it wouldn't hurt to have it on both, but limiting it to people who have a certain console is terrible.
He does say 'consoles' in the plural so it will be 360/ps3 at least. Good for me as the ps3 has free online access.
*ahem*
STILL DO WANT PC CLIENT THOUGH AND WILL NOT BUY PS3 COPY UNTIL IT IS CONFIRMED NO PC RELEASE!!!!
Die PS3 user! ________________________________________________
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:37:00 -
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fts allready to late now. even if they gonna release a pc client, it will be broken.
they are developing it towards a limited system, so it will never be any good on the pc. it should have been developed towards the least limited system (pc) and then ported/limited towards the consoles.
so even if they'd decide to make it avail. on pc aswell, its gonna be like special olympics.
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Anhur Shu
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:38:00 -
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was kinda hoping planetary interaction would've eventually been introduced HERE. If it's only going to be accesible through a console I don't even own then I guess I'll never be able to experience it....and as far as it being part of new sov rules? Ridiculus......pretty sure not every person that plays this game owns an x-box 360.....not very well thought out, if indeed that's going to be the case. I don't care if I suck, so shut the hell up! |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Die PS3 user!
Bite me. I use it as my living room internet terminal with some arcadey shooty games on it I got from the online store. And its my blu-ray player. Don't have any actual ps3 games for it though..
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Die PS3 user!
Bite me. I use it as my living room internet terminal with some arcadey shooty games on it I got from the online store. And its my blu-ray player. Don't have any actual ps3 games for it though..
Opposite for me, I have a broken 360 needing of a repair and a blu-ray player. ________________________________________________
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Shadow Warri0rs
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 18/08/2009 12:50:44 A lot of dumb people here guessing that planet console pvp means moon mining towers sov...........
Especially since no details have been released yet! --
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Dratic
Honour Bound Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vector Aeon Okay, this does have the potential to screw up what some people believe to be vital sov mechanics in one way or another.
However, the absolutely earth-shattering step CCP could be taking, merging EVE with a futuristic combat MMO platform (thinking PlanetSide-like here)... well, as someone who has played a lot of EVE and a lot of FPS... this could be the greatest merge of gaming and game genres of all time.
My only gripe is @ the 'console only' bit... those two words guarantee the game will be dead in 5 years. That will need to be fixed, IMO. I can count on one hand how many still-active online shooters have come off consoles with fingers to spare. And, let's face it, an experimental title like this is unlikely to be the next Halo.
Don't crucially integrate EVE's slow-burning environment with the FPS console world of three-month half-lifes and rapid playerbase decay. Instead go with the Half-Life like PC FPS communities that refuse to die. People still play CS and PlanetSide as well as the Unreal games. Because, 10 years from now when PS3 and X360 are dead technology, and people are still upgrading and playing EVE on new boxes (hedging a bet this game will survive 10 more years, forgive me) that FPS integration means absolutely nothing.
I won't lie, I'm absolutely in love with this idea, but let's just tread with caution when dealing with console games and the gamers they produce- while the concept is incredible the playerbases are critical as well to success or failure- and hordes of raging 13-year-old XBL pubbies could do what many others have failed to do- make EVE unplayable.
TL:DR; Awesome potential, but console games burn out way too fast, integrating with slow-mo EVE is asking for instability in both game 'worlds'. Also consoles are fail.
Totally agree. The main problems i have are Console MMO - console players don't want to pay monthly for a specific game. No PC element - Having a pc element would give eve players a chance to participate in the game world if they're willing to pay again for dust and probably would have a better Chance of surviving and getting updates to the game. With a console you're pretty much having a one shot at the system and leaving it. I just don't have confidence that you'll get it right first time if any thing eve should have told you that.
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No Homo
Gallente Big Heart Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:53:00 -
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CONSOLES ARE FOR IDIOTS HUUUUUURRRGGGGHH
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: No Homo CONSOLES ARE FOR IDIOTS HUUUUUURRRGGGGHH
So you have a Wii?
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