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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:27:00 -
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It's that time of year again... Ladies and Gentlemen, the latest QEN blog.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:31:00 -
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sweet. me likes production.
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Altaree
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:46:00 -
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Very nice. But discussing our comments? My impression is that the QEN's are just tossed out to us. I haven't seen much discussion by the authors lately... --Altaree
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Epitrope
The Citadel Manufacturing and Trade Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:47:00 -
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Are there still plans to export historical market data so that we can recreate some of this ourselves?
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Hjorten
Xanadu
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:57:00 -
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Mistake on page 57. You've titled the graph Prorator - maybe you meant to use Purifier as the stealth bomber example?. Page 59 has the Prorator.
Very interesting read this one.
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Amanda Brighteyes
Caldari Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:49:00 -
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As an admin assistant, this is very interesting to me.
Regards
A. Brighteyes
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:52:00 -
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CCP when you say 1 trillion you mean 1.000.000.000.000 ?
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:56:00 -
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Great report, some very interesting information there.
Once again, the most telling information is the info that is LEFT OUT of the QEN.
Examples:
The ISK amount per character per environment (0.0. lowsec, highsec) is shown as an *average*. This doesn't show how much wealth is concentrated in how many accounts per environment. While the average amount of wealth is similar between lowsec/highsec, I think that if we looked at the peak values of ISK per account and just how concentrated the wealth is in the various environments, we'd see a different picture.
T3- CCP insists on lumping in T3 with T2 to hide it's microscopic usage numbers. It's just as easy to separate the T3 numbers as it is to lump them into T2 stats. Once again CCP ensures that they don't include anything really interesting in the QEN, just enough middle of the road info to appease the masses.
Ship usage comparisons- comparing every ship in Eve against each other is irrelevant. Compare like with like- BS with BS, BCs with BCs etc. Not Hulks vs. Kestrels vs. Dominixes. Such stats are meaningless.
How about a graph showing amount of ISK per account, with the vertical axis showing the number of accounts with that much ISK in them? And then show the same graph split into highsec, lowsec and 0.0?
I do find it interesting to note just how much production is being handled by BPO holders. Pretty surprising really. I would have hoped that it would be a far smaller portion by now. It's clearly time to turn those BPOs into 10k run BPCs and be done with them.
I noticed much attention was given to the Rook and Falcon. What about ships like the Astarte and Eos? How have the game changes affected their sales over the last year?
I see ships like the Drake, Raven and Nighthawk are all at the top of the list, both in their respective classes and overall in the game. Clearly their popularity reflects some sort of superiority in the game, otherwise the player population wouldn't be endorsing them so completely.
I find CCP's lumping of all T2 ammunition production into one lump a total joke. Let's break down the T2 ammunition production by type shall we? How much of that is Barrage M? How much is Scourge Fury? What about all the rest of the T2 ammo production and consumption?
The data comes close to being meaningful but once again falls short of showing any real value or information. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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No Homo
Gallente Big Heart Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus Great report, some very interesting information there.
Once again, the most telling information is the info that is LEFT OUT of the QEN.
Examples:
The ISK amount per character per environment (0.0. lowsec, highsec) is shown as an *average*. This doesn't show how much wealth is concentrated in how many accounts per environment. While the average amount of wealth is similar between lowsec/highsec, I think that if we looked at the peak values of ISK per account and just how concentrated the wealth is in the various environments, we'd see a different picture.
T3- CCP insists on lumping in T3 with T2 to hide it's microscopic usage numbers. It's just as easy to separate the T3 numbers as it is to lump them into T2 stats. Once again CCP ensures that they don't include anything really interesting in the QEN, just enough middle of the road info to appease the masses.
Ship usage comparisons- comparing every ship in Eve against each other is irrelevant. Compare like with like- BS with BS, BCs with BCs etc. Not Hulks vs. Kestrels vs. Dominixes. Such stats are meaningless.
How about a graph showing amount of ISK per account, with the vertical axis showing the number of accounts with that much ISK in them? And then show the same graph split into highsec, lowsec and 0.0?
I do find it interesting to note just how much production is being handled by BPO holders. Pretty surprising really. I would have hoped that it would be a far smaller portion by now. It's clearly time to turn those BPOs into 10k run BPCs and be done with them.
I noticed much attention was given to the Rook and Falcon. What about ships like the Astarte and Eos? How have the game changes affected their sales over the last year?
I see ships like the Drake, Raven and Nighthawk are all at the top of the list, both in their respective classes and overall in the game. Clearly their popularity reflects some sort of superiority in the game, otherwise the player population wouldn't be endorsing them so completely.
I find CCP's lumping of all T2 ammunition production into one lump a total joke. Let's break down the T2 ammunition production by type shall we? How much of that is Barrage M? How much is Scourge Fury? What about all the rest of the T2 ammo production and consumption?
The data comes close to being meaningful but once again falls short of showing any real value or information.
Debby Downer over here...
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:15:00 -
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"the least number of pilots was the Black Ops battleships, with only 208 being flown. Black Ops are being looked into by the game design team, with a fuel bay being added in the future." Do people really think a fuel bay is going make more people use the Black Ops? I hope more than the fuel bay is looked at.
______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Miyamoto Shigesuke
Jugis Modo Utopia THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:00:00 -
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Where is the T3 production analysis? Is it so terrible that you need to hide it?
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rubico1337
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:11:00 -
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yesyesyesyesyes
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Money Liberation Services Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:15:00 -
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It would be very interesting to know if and how the recent bannings of rmt accounts affects the wealth distribution of high/low/nullsec ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Manfred Rickenbocker
Professors On Steriods DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:29:00 -
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Hooray for QENs.... Now to see if they release another with the Unholy Rage results... ------------------------ Peace through superior firepower: a guiding principle for uncertain times. |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:41:00 -
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There is so much goodness in here that it is going to take a while for it all to sink in. This QEN is by far the best one to date; some very interesting information and lots of pretty graphs to look at, too.
No surprise that the Raven was #1, though.
The graph describing the average wallet size between high, low, and null-sec was very interesting as well, but I wonder what it would look like with, say, a 5% trimmed mean, or even 1%. Also, how much money is held by, say, the top 100 richest players?
While wallet size is interesting, what would be even MORE interesting would be a total asset calculation. Use the average price in, say, Jita over a month to establish a base price for every item, then calculate the total net worth on a character, corporation, and alliance basis. That would make for some very intersting number as well.
In any case... Thanks for your effort, this is really fantastic. I can't wait to engage in random, baseless speculation in hopes of instilling some fear, uncertainty, and doubt into my fellow players (aka, normal Market Discussion forum behavior).
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Rhys Onasi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:43:00 -
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Woohoo!
But.. ummm... "figure 8" on page 19 is a pie chart of the different classes of "tech 2 and 3" ships and comparing how many are being used.... only there's 11 different colors in the chart... and 9 labels. Among the missing labels is t3.
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar V O O D O O
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:03:00 -
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these graphs shows jsut another reason to remove t2 bpo from game , from privilaged people. 60D GTC - shattared link |
Salizar Amolkshue
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:09:00 -
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The t2 BPO vs BPC stats are interesting. But what I really want to know is what percentage of the BPCs are actually invented.
Since there are 2 ways to make a t2 BPC, one from copying a BPO and the other from inventing from a t1 BPC, lumping the two types together doesn't really give you a good idea of how many invention runs are actually taking place.
It should be easy to see which ones are which. Any BPC with positive ME & PE are obviously a copy of a BPO. Lump them in with the BPO stat, or have three buckets instead of two. I suspect that a large portion of the t2 items are not invented at all, but are instead built from BPCs that are created from the BPOs and then sold on contract.
What I find surprising is that anyone is manufacturing from a t2 BPO. I would have thought they would be copying them endlessly, and using their own copies for their own use, and selling the rest.
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Two step
Amarr Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Salizar Amolkshue The t2 BPO vs BPC stats are interesting. But what I really want to know is what percentage of the BPCs are actually invented.
Since there are 2 ways to make a t2 BPC, one from copying a BPO and the other from inventing from a t1 BPC, lumping the two types together doesn't really give you a good idea of how many invention runs are actually taking place.
It should be easy to see which ones are which. Any BPC with positive ME & PE are obviously a copy of a BPO. Lump them in with the BPO stat, or have three buckets instead of two. I suspect that a large portion of the t2 items are not invented at all, but are instead built from BPCs that are created from the BPOs and then sold on contract.
What I find surprising is that anyone is manufacturing from a t2 BPO. I would have thought they would be copying them endlessly, and using their own copies for their own use, and selling the rest.
That would be becuase you don't own a T2 BPO. Copy times are longer than build times, so you would just lose money doing that.
Nearly (99.99%) all T2 BPCs are from invention.
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:53:00 -
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I blogged my thoughts about the report (as well as about Unholy Rage). In general, I liked the report and found lots of useful data for my own operations in it.
However, I found Figure 4, "Distribution of Character in Security Space by Login Minutes", somewhat confusing. I don't think the data organization there really served a useful purpose, which led to little overall analysis there. I'd like to see more from CCP on this, hopefully including a boost to lowsec. -- EVE Blog EVE Twitter |
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Salizar Amolkshue
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Two step
That would be becuase you don't own a T2 BPO. Copy times are longer than build times, so you would just lose money doing that.
Nearly (99.99%) all T2 BPCs are from invention.
Good to know, thank you for the info. You are correct, I do not own any t2 BPOs
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Casiella Truza I blogged my thoughts about the report (as well as about Unholy Rage). In general, I liked the report and found lots of useful data for my own operations in it.
However, I found Figure 4, "Distribution of Character in Security Space by Login Minutes", somewhat confusing. I don't think the data organization there really served a useful purpose, which led to little overall analysis there. I'd like to see more from CCP on this, hopefully including a boost to lowsec.
I think there is a error in the label of the left side axis of that figure.
It say "solar system security status" but that is meaningless. Read as such it would mean that players with 100.000 minutes logged living in 0.0 would be living in system with an average 0.3 security status .
The label should show a % I think.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:03:00 -
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I found the statistics about T2 (and T3) production very interesting. A while back there we had (one of several) discussions on T2 BPOs and whether they should be removed or not.
What I'd like to ask the QEN team; knowing what you know now about T2 production, has there been, or is there at this time, any discussion about changing T2 production with respect to T2 BPOs, or do you believe that the current situation is fine, and doesn't need changing? -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
What I'd like to ask the QEN team; knowing what you know now about T2 production, has there been, or is there at this time, any discussion about changing T2 production with respect to T2 BPOs, or do you believe that the current situation is fine, and doesn't need changing?
Signing under this question
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:38:00 -
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Why don't you look those data a bit more?
BPO production dominate the market of low profit ships (EOS, Astarte, interceptors) but have you looked the numbers for the good T2 ships?
89% of all Hulks come from BPC 75% of all HACs
And ships are where BPo shine.
Look the good modules, we have 2 examples:
88% of all Cap rechargers II from BPC 92% of all Cov Ops Cloak
As it was always stated, BPO dominate the market of modules/ships with a low number of unit sold, intention dominate the market when there is a item with a good turnover (and so with a good profit).
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Nemtar Nataal
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hjorten Mistake on page 57. You've titled the graph Prorator - maybe you meant to use Purifier as the stealth bomber example?. Page 59 has the Prorator.
Very interesting read this one.
/signed - Was just about to double post on this.
Anyway interesting read...
I must however point out that you are missin a base line comparison for the T2 BPO/BPC part of the article - there is a quait substancial gab in the data where you dont describe how many percent of the total "population" of T2 BPO's are put into those numbers.
You can calculate your way to how many BPO's that are needed to produce the volumen of T2 items (not with a 100% centency as i dont expect all BPO holders to build 24/7) - It is however much more interesting to se what the total poroduction potential of the existing T2 BPO's would be - How much of the marked would they make up if they were all running 24/7.
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Taunting Yu
Gallente The NightClub
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:01:00 -
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I'm glad to see that the QEN is addressing the shortfall of moon minerals in t2 production. As we find our friends, allies, and opponents increasing in numbers, we will also see our demand for tech 2. Is alchemy really going to keep up with this demand? If so, at what cost? I predict a continuing increase in cost of tech 2 components as the price of the outputs from alchemy finds an equilibrium in price (the net profit of alchemy surpasses that of running the lowest end of moon mining profits) while the mid-tier materials needed for input increase in price.
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:08:00 -
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Sorry if someone else asked this...
But what the hell is that on page 8???
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Brendana Fortescue
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:24:00 -
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Its only me or the T3 was completly left out from QEN? |
Damion Rayne
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv Sorry if someone else asked this...
But what the hell is that on page 8???
That, My friend is one the variations of the Amaarian Legion-class T3 Strat Cruiser. Lovely ship if you ask me. |
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