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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:14:00 -
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Trimarks, perhaps?
Quote: [Rifter, 400mm plate] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot]
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
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SuiJuris
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Trimarks, perhaps?
Quote: [Rifter, 400mm plate] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot]
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Now your Rifter has given up all advantage over a Punisher. Armor rigs will = fail in most cases on Frigates as speed is there main asset and your neutering it. --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one." |
Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:23:00 -
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The fit still gets over 2000m/s and has 3 mid slots, which is a significant advantage over the Punisher.
How would you do it differently?
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:36:00 -
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Damage and falloff for my passive armor fits and resist damage rigs for my Shld tankers. Maybe rep and resist rigs for my active rep fits. -- "If itÆs true that our species is alone in the universe, then IÆd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little" George Carlin |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:37:00 -
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I prefer my Merlin.
Regardless... [Rifter, Supertank] Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II Gyrostabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Anti-Explosive Pump I
Tanks 76 DPS.
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Herpes Sweatrash
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:38:00 -
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ambits imo
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rodensteiner
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:04:00 -
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Nah, I'll go with damage rigs over optimal rigs. I'm usually so close to my target when flying a rifter, there's no point in giving myself more fall-off.
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Tolrok Qorte
Minmatar Order of Nephilim The Council.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:10:00 -
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I dunno about my Rifter, probably damage+armor rigs. But my punisher will have 3 trimarks, gives me nearly 9k EHP plus my repper. Only goes like 200 m/s though :P
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: SuiJuris
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Trimarks, perhaps?
Quote: [Rifter, 400mm plate] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot]
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Now your Rifter has given up all advantage over a Punisher. Armor rigs will = fail in most cases on Frigates as speed is there main asset and your neutering it.
Nonsense, as Trimark rigs do not give a Rifter two midslots instead of three the last I heard
Trimarked Rifter is actually preety good. As is Rifter with damage rigs.
The canon "speed is life" is BS in case of AC Rifter. A Rifter is going to fight point blank and it's premium target are other frigates or nubs in cruiser where the trimarks will only help.
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Mnementh2231
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:26:00 -
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I guess i'm a bit of an unconventional when it comes to my rifter fleet. I like blasters and throw the rifter's projectile bonus away willy nilly.
So i get to be the first one to say.... when I speed tank my rifters....
Speed Rigs? Maybe a trimark.
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Zal Dakkar
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: rodensteiner I'm usually so close to my target when flying a rifter, there's no point in giving myself more fall-off.
Against other frigates? Most of the Rifter's advantage comes from being able to dictate range due to higher base speed and web/scram. Even with null, a blaster frig will have difficulty competing unless it has optimal/falloff bonus.
I assume if you're at ~7km ambits give more dps than dmg rigs, when using 150s and barrage... but I could be wrong.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:42:00 -
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Ambits for sure.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zal Dakkar
Originally by: rodensteiner I'm usually so close to my target when flying a rifter, there's no point in giving myself more fall-off.
Against other frigates? Most of the Rifter's advantage comes from being able to dictate range due to higher base speed and web/scram. Even with null, a blaster frig will have difficulty competing unless it has optimal/falloff bonus.
I assume if you're at ~7km ambits give more dps than dmg rigs, when using 150s and barrage... but I could be wrong.
It also comes from being able to gank up close. A Incursus for instance is going to be hard put to match a Rifter even in a point blank slugfest; it's very likely to lose a ton of its EHP in just the approach. Against anything non-Gallente, being in point blank range all the time is better.
Vs anything larger, like a nub cruiser you want to be dealing max DPS and if it uses turrets, be as close as reasonably possible.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:57:00 -
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I actually have a rifter... it's called ' the drunken sailor' (cuzz of the wobble thingy)
Tbh i forgot why i bought/built it in the first place... cuz i fly caldari primary and gallente secondary...
Then again i also have a punisher... sad part is i made my first serious pvp kill in it against... a kessie... LMAO!!! ________________________________________________
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Celestinus
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:45:00 -
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I once already did, very drunk at the moment. I thought it was my Wolf.
Can't remember the rigs though, I'm guessin the gank ones, burst and collision. - cel |
Riverat
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:54:00 -
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This fit has served me well.
Small ôAccommodationö Vestment Reconstructure 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plate I Beta Hull Mod Overdrive Injector
Col-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II True Sansha Stasis Webifier
150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Riverat This fit has served me well.
Small ôAccommodationö Vestment Reconstructure 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plate I Beta Hull Mod Overdrive Injector
Col-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II True Sansha Stasis Webifier
150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
<looks at fit>
<sees lack of rigs>
<looks at thread title>
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Speshtard
Amarr Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.08.20 22:07:00 -
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Does it have to be a Rifter? I was thinking about the arguments against buffer tanking it, when I came up with this: Not a Rifter, I know, but I think it's suitably original to avoid flames (Yes, I did put T2 rigs on, assuming prices stabilise to around 5m sometime in the next few decades)
[Caldari Navy Hookbill, RAWR] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Overdrive Injector System II
Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II 1MN Afterburner II Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II
67 DPS omnitank, spits out 99 DPS of its own. 9k shields on a frigate? Yes please.
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Gram Hellfire
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:12:00 -
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Im defiantly a fan of the MSE rifter
5k EHP, lots of agility, 3 km/s, over 100 DPS
[Rifter, MSE perfection] Gyrostabilizer II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I F-aQ Phase Code Tracking Subroutines
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Warp Scrambler II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S [empty high slot]
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 20/08/2009 23:26:38 Best choice for the Rifter RoF+Dmg rigs, imo. Plus they are dirt cheap, like what, 200k isk? Thats not even 1/3rd of a t2 gyro.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:41:00 -
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MSEII fit...(one of many..)
4.5k EHP 124/142DPS cap runs with everything for 1 min 42 secs including the Neut. I do anything to fit a newt on a frig hence the 125's and the PDU. I like the PDU as it gives a nice little boost to the Shield and cap which also helps the newt.
[Rifter, Shld Gank MSEII] Gyrostabilizer II Local Power Plant Manager: Diagnostic System I F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium Shield Extender II J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Projectile Burst Aerator I Projectile Collision Accelerator I [empty rig slot]
-- "If itÆs true that our species is alone in the universe, then IÆd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little" George Carlin |
Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:46:00 -
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Ambit rigs. --- Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.21 15:57:00 -
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Maybe you could use a powergrid rig so you don't need to give up a low slot for fitting.
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rodensteiner
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zal Dakkar
Against other frigates? Most of the Rifter's advantage comes from being able to dictate range due to higher base speed and web/scram. Even with null, a blaster frig will have difficulty competing unless it has optimal/falloff bonus.
I assume if you're at ~7km ambits give more dps than dmg rigs, when using 150s and barrage... but I could be wrong.
Well, good point. However, I figure go in close so as to try to get as close to my optimal range as possible. Also, I'm experimenting with a tracking-disruptor fit Rifter, at the moment. That way I can still get close to higher-dps frigates like Tristans and other Rifters, but knock down their optimal range, therefore reducing some of their damage. It's still in testing phase right now, though.
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