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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Mistress Suffering on 21/08/2009 20:36:13
There's three game loopholes that are easy to fix and have been mentioned but never addressed. I'd like to see CCP get on the ball and get these crossed off.
ITEM: Self-Destruct should generate killmails according to the NPC killmail generation rules
SOLUTION: This should use the exact same mechanic that is currently being used when an NPC gets the final blow on a ship kill. The lossmail is generated normally and sent to the dead player's corp. The killmail is sent to the last other player to aggress this ship before it died.
THOUGHTS: Killmails are a permanent log of ship destruction within the game. They're a great source of history and enjoyed by many players. Right now, the only way to dodge one of these is to self-destruct. Unfortunately, self-destruct is actually pretty trivial to do any time you're flying a heavily tanked ship as the enemy did not bring obscenely excessive firepower. This is particularly true for capital ships.
This problem was further aggravated by the addition of heat. Now any ship that is going to self-destruct can overheat all its defensive modules to gain additional lifespan. Yes, the attackers can overheat their modules too, but remember that they aren't going to be dead at the end of it, so that's just extra cost for them to do so at all.
Large ships successfully tackled and killed by smaller ones is something EVE should revel in, as it shows tactics > bulk. Don't continue to spit on these engagements.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Mistress Suffering on 21/08/2009 20:45:38 Note that this topic has a lengthy thread when posted in the feature forum a fair while back too. You can read that here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1044795
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William Pierce
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: William Pierce on 21/08/2009 20:57:38 Fix please, this is very, very annoying:
http://img16.imageshack.us/i/augustusrichtersd.jpg/
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Tortugan
F9X
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Posted - 2009.08.21 20:55:00 -
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There's no reason that this shouldn't already be the case.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:14:00 -
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This topic has already been done to death in the Assembly Hall.
Just one of many
--Vel You're killing me Smalls!
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:14:00 -
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Supported.
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JZIM
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:27:00 -
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+1
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin This topic has already been done to death in the Assembly Hall.
Just one of many
So stop wasting trips to Iceland and make it actually happen.
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Xing Fey
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:28:00 -
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Fully agreed!
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Natural Selector
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:42:00 -
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+1 |
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Bob Mc
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 23:19:00 -
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Yep. No reason why there shouldnt be a KM from selfdestructing.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.08.21 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 21/08/2009 23:52:38
Originally by: Mistress Suffering
Originally by: De'Veldrin This topic has already been done to death in the Assembly Hall.
Just one of many
So stop wasting trips to Iceland and make it actually happen.
De' is not a CSM member. You might want to direct your complaint to those who are.
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Lucas Avidius
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.22 00:41:00 -
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Fix it fix it fix it.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.22 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 21/08/2009 23:52:38
Originally by: Mistress Suffering
Originally by: De'Veldrin This topic has already been done to death in the Assembly Hall.
Just one of many
So stop wasting trips to Iceland and make it actually happen.
De' is not a CSM member. You might want to direct your complaint to those who are.
You couldn't pay me to take that job. Though I'd not say no to a trip to Iceland --Vel You're killing me Smalls!
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Ev0rz
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Posted - 2009.08.22 01:31:00 -
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+1 |
Jazzadanub
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.22 01:54:00 -
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/signed
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Don Pellegrino
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Posted - 2009.08.22 01:56:00 -
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It has probably been discussed... but it doesnt mean you can't approve it.
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Kaylis Tzu
Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.22 02:07:00 -
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I strongly support this suggestion -
It's fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.
Gen. Douglas MacArthur |
gazarsgo
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.22 03:05:00 -
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Fully supported. What a broken game mechanic ...
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Raith Dresden
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.22 03:06:00 -
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/signed
People only SD to avoid the mail and evidence that it happened.
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Micia
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.22 03:28:00 -
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Sounds good. |
Mevadem
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.22 04:07:00 -
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/signed
definately support this...
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Foulque
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.22 04:13:00 -
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________
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Didier Oriol
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.22 05:06:00 -
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Thumbs up here for sure!
Permanent record of ALL ships destroyed should be kept (Mails with only NPC's can be exempt from killboards, but still should generate a lossmail for the player & players corp where applicable)
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El Liptonez
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Posted - 2009.08.22 09:43:00 -
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Yes, please.
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Mr Bright
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.22 10:14:00 -
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Self destructing should definatly generate killmails, self destructing to make sure your enemy doesnt get your loot is one thing but to deny a killmail is silly.
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MitchPT
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.22 13:31:00 -
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signed, if they did this for the npc losses i don't see why self-destruct shouldnt give a mail aswell.
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Fille Balle
Dissolution Of Eternity MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.22 16:05:00 -
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Right, now it's called a kill mail. Not a: selfdestruct because you are made of fail mail.
If you want a kill mail, make sure you bring what's needed to get one. If you start generating killmails via selfdestruct, then you might as well remove the whole mechanic. Selfdestructing has other uses as well:
1. denying your enemy intel 2. denying your enemy a morale boost 3. very tasty tears to fuel some towers 4. denying your enemy any loot
You want a kill mail, kill something. Other than that, you can always just copy paste this:
You killed a leviatan, U R f'ing awesome. Gratz. You win eve!
PS: e-peen
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.22 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 22/08/2009 17:40:19
Originally by: Fille Balle Right, now it's called a kill mail. Not a: selfdestruct because you are made of fail mail.
If you want a kill mail, make sure you bring what's needed to get one. If you start generating killmails via selfdestruct, then you might as well remove the whole mechanic. Selfdestructing has other uses as well:
1. denying your enemy intel 2. denying your enemy a morale boost 3. very tasty tears to fuel some towers 4. denying your enemy any loot
You want a kill mail, kill something. Other than that, you can always just copy paste this:
You killed a leviatan, U R f'ing awesome. Gratz. You win eve!
PS: e-peen
I concur... Additionally.. I've always been an avid Nerf Killmails Camp guy.
Don't buff them.
Killmails are seriously a massive breech in intel... I would be content to know that a kill took place and said parties where involved but no specific stats...
This is one of the reasons I refuse to post/buy/publish a kill board... its just stupid waving of e-peens.
Yes... I won't deny the value of data for intel for enemies or ship reimbursement programs but it is wholly a waste of time and nothing but e-peen stroking.
I'm not stupid enough to think CCP will ever hear me out on that one but I'm entitled to my opinion.. flame away.
I'm just not into that sort of thing.... If I wanted to see what was fitted.. I'll slap a damn ship scanner on my ship... that's what its for isn't?
If I want to deny you intelligence by self destructing... well screw you pal... : O P It's my choice and right. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Mashashige
Eternal Perseverance Flight School
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Posted - 2009.08.22 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 22/08/2009 17:40:19
Originally by: Fille Balle
I was gonna start a debate and explain the fallacies in your logic about KM=BAD argument, but you guys are obvious trolls...
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