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xavier69
Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2009.08.22 04:10:00 -
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In his talk at GDC Europe today, Hilmar stated that DUST 514 will reach out to two different audiences, fans of first person shooters and MMO players, and their aim is to ultimately meld the communities of EVE Online and DUST 514. He elaborated on this and explained the various ways that the two games will tie in with one another.
DUST 514 will figure prominently into the CCP Games strategy to revamp EVE Online's system of galactic control, called sovereignty. It was originally discussed in the current issue of EON magazine that planetary control would be an aspect of changing how EVE's player alliances gain control of territory. Apparently, what players can do in DUST 514 will also play a major role in EVE moving forward. Hilmar explained more about how the terrestrial gameplay of DUST 514 will be interconnected with the ship-centric gameplay of EVE Online.
Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
When you bring these two communities together, that "one universe, one war" means that the EVE PC MMO and DUST 514 console MMOFPS gamers will form interconnected social structures and meld over time.
This is CCP's hope, anyway. Hilmar says he'd like to see specific DUST corporations and alliances that bridge the gap to the EVE MMO, as the ground game adds new dimensions to the space-based gameplay of EVE Online as we know it today.
Hilmar added that the backstory for the DUST infantry will tie in with an upcoming EVE Online novel, which we think will most likely be Hjalti Danielsson's The Burning Life. He did reveal that the cloning technology that imbues EVE Online's capsuleers with immortality has been adapted for broader use, and is applied to the ground-based warfare that comprises DUST 514's gameplay. Further revelations of the DUST 514 story will likely be held back until EVE Fanfest 2009.
He stressed their commitment to this new direction they're taking the EVE Online IP, and that DUST 514 isn't just a side project they're working on. Hilmar said, "We are leveraging all of CCP's international infrastructure into this project." The game has been in development for three years at the CCP Games Shanghai studio.
The new MMO announcement came as part of Hilmar's presentation "CCP: Winning the War" which was a look back at the company's history, from their early days as a small, unknown company trying to create something different to today, where they stand as a major MMO developer.
This is what we know about DUST 514 so far. Gamasutra was on the ground at GDC Europe today for the game announcement, as was Develop, so further info can be gleaned from their event coverage. More details on DUST 514 will be announced at EVE Fanfest 2009 this October in CCP's hometown of Reykjavik
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xavier69
Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2009.08.22 04:12:00 -
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Linkage also watch the video, the guy explains a bit.
http://www.massively.com/2009/08/18/ccp-games-reveals-new-eve-online-console-mmo-dust-514/
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Necromancy Black
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Posted - 2009.08.22 04:43:00 -
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I really am looking forward to this actually. I won't be playing DUSK at all but I can't wait to see how the two game interact with each other. It is a really interesting idea and good luck to CCP in both getting it up and running and wading through all the oncoming flames.
Looks spiffy as well.
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xavier69
Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2009.08.22 04:44:00 -
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out of a guy from ccp mouth in the video, Sovereignty currently that dictated by how many player own structures in a system, dust will become one of those imputs dust battlefield will dictate who controls a planet inside the eve online mmo, you have to fight with your fleet in eve online and also contract mercenaries in dust to fight in the console game. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My thoughts if you want to add new dynamics to the sov system in eve online [GREAT IDEA], If you are re-writing how the sov system works and the majority of it will be based on an fps that is console only [EPIC FAIL]
Realize how long some of us have played, We earned our positions & power though long time play and hard work, We shouldnĘt have to be dependent on thumb jockeys and 12 year olds playing consoles to keep our hard work or dedication to your game. I donĘt mind spicing things up and adding new features but totally revamping the entire sov system around an fps I have to say thatĘs not going to win many of us over after 5+ years.
Also realize Xbox360 and PS3 have contracts that do not allow subs so dust wont be a sub game on console it will be a buy it one time and your done, or you can add updates and charge them for that. For example I know the bylaws well for xbox360 live they already charge a sub they wont let you charge anyone another one to play dust. Microsoft owns its console world and they wont let anyone else get a monthly income from it.
In ending my biggest worries in hearing about this,
#1 you will ultimately take the power to decide ones fate away from the eve online players and put it in the hands of console players. #2 you will not release the game on pc and force us non-console guys to buy one, i wouldnĘt mind playing dust but I am not buying a console to do it. #3 you will alienate a large part of the player base and screw up the economy. Eve is more dependent than any other mmo on its players.
I am sure you will get it right, i have noticed you do listen to us so i am giving you my imput as i am sure many others are too.
I am sure you will get it right; I have noticed you do listen to us so I am giving you my input, as I am sure many others are too hopefully I have been constructive enough for you to understand.
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ShadowGod56
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Posted - 2009.08.22 04:47:00 -
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i bold everything to get attention, every one look! my eyes are bleeding
please unbold it or only bold the important parts
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Necromancy Black
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Posted - 2009.08.22 04:56:00 -
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I'll have to agree that the concerns over the sovereignty are justified, although the reaction to this has once again been handled by the forumers in the same manner a pyromaniac handles backburning.
I think a dynamic between the two games is definitely a good move, but shifting anything crucial to the EVE Online gameplay to require both is a bad move. CCP have said nothing about the new sovereignty system, so we have no idea what they will do with it. But it does seem CCP have hold true to the idea that you can do as little or as much in EVE without worrying about the other parts, so I'm not with the doomsayers saying you'll need both games to play EVE.
Now, what would be really, really cool would be new features to both games that didn't exist before and need between game interaction to work. Possibly certain components from space rats can be sold to the DUSK players for some of the better in game items, and vice versa (maybe DUSK players can find artefacts and such that act T2 materials, or even raid research centres for tech2 BPC)
There really is a lot of room here for some great ideas and as long as CCP stick to two things it should be fine:
1) do not alter any existing feature of EVE Online to require both games in order to work. Influence each other is fine, but not control 2) there is direct contact between both games. The ability to chat with each game and trade with each other is really going to be needed to make both games feel together and avoid making it feel as though EVE Online is having to take care of an annoying child that gives nothing back
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.22 04:59:00 -
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Thanks for making another thread about this. From my heart.
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PI Staker
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Posted - 2009.08.22 05:21:00 -
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or we could fill jett cans with eperienced dust players (a commidity) and blow them up to get our revenge
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Spike 68
ADVANCED SHIP SALVAGE AND SCRAP
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Posted - 2009.08.22 05:55:00 -
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Pizza and beer in Syndicate tonight if anyone is interested, everyone invited!
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Ira Astrum
TEMPLAR. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.22 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ira Astrum on 22/08/2009 06:02:37 I've yet to see a single person say "But we have no idea how deeply it's actually going to effect sov!"
I swear to god every single person has just jumped to the conclusion that the internet spaceships will no longer have even the smallest bearing on sovereignty. C'mon, CCP are an extraordinarily gifted company. They'll get this right.
Have faith instead of being so quick to man the lifeboats.
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zombiedeadhead
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.22 06:12:00 -
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I recommand that all childless Eve players begin a breeding program with available females/males where applicable, with the aim of producing as many trainee Dusties as possible. These will be your compliant troops people, stick a controller in their mits asap.
I believe those with kiddies are already making the neccesary preparations, including the withdrawal of ritalin to enhance the 'twitch' factor.
Also OOPE ------->
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.08.22 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ira Astrum Edited by: Ira Astrum on 22/08/2009 06:02:37 I've yet to see a single person say "But we have no idea how deeply it's actually going to effect sov!"
I swear to god every single person has just jumped to the conclusion that the internet spaceships will no longer have even the smallest bearing on sovereignty. C'mon, CCP are an extraordinarily gifted company. They'll get this right.
Have faith instead of being so quick to man the lifeboats.
There have been people saying that (myself included), but we tend to get drowned out in the torrent of noise coming from the people to busy panicking to think.
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Krystal Vernet
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.22 06:26:00 -
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Affect.
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Cassiopeia Draco
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Posted - 2009.08.22 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: Cassiopeia Draco on 22/08/2009 07:03:58
Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Ira Astrum Edited by: Ira Astrum on 22/08/2009 06:02:37 I've yet to see a single person say "But we have no idea how deeply it's actually going to effect sov!"
I swear to god every single person has just jumped to the conclusion that the internet spaceships will no longer have even the smallest bearing on sovereignty. C'mon, CCP are an extraordinarily gifted company. They'll get this right.
Have faith instead of being so quick to man the lifeboats.
There have been people saying that (myself included), but we tend to get drowned out in the torrent of noise coming from the people to busy panicking to think.
Very True, there have been a number of people trying to hold in the neighsayers, and doom merchants that have been proclaming the 'end of eve because of console kiddies'.
However they've been drowned out, also as far as I remember the speach Hilmar gave, said that DUST would be one of a number of factors that influences Sov,NOT THE ONLY FACTOR as some people have been saying.
Simple fact, we dont even know how the winter expansion will alter sov mechancs yet, and probably wont until fan-fest.
I think DUST will be out in time for Q1 next year, probably the final part of the sov changes, and just before they announce what the spring expansion will contain.
Would i buy DUST, probably, and i definately am no console kiddi, the main reason being is that i could log in for a couple of hours after work and not worry about a 20 jump trip to catch up with my corp when they run a WH/low-sec roaming gang.
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Salmeria
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.08.22 07:14:00 -
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i would love dust if we could orbital strike them
i hope a bunch of kids on a console gets enraged simply because some dude in orbit pressed F1-F3
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Belmarduk
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.08.22 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Salmeria i would love dust if we could orbital strike them
i hope a bunch of kids on a console gets enraged simply because some dude in orbit pressed F1-F3
THIS Never thought I would have the same opinion as a goon but THIS
If Dust can interact with Eve then Eve must be able to interact with Dust !!
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eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.22 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Necromancy Black I really am looking forward to this actually. I won't be playing DUSK at all but I can't wait to see how the two game interact with each other. It is a really interesting idea and good luck to CCP in both getting it up and running and wading through all the oncoming flames.
Looks spiffy as well.
same i carn't wait for it
but i would play it if it was for pc if it stays JUST for consoles then im forgetting about it ----------------------------------------------- i met Eliminator1..... i ate it and spat it out now hes my minion :)
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Shidhe
Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2009.08.22 11:13:00 -
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For EvE to expand, planets probably had to get involved. I hope that DUST 514 with be implemented in a way that will allow for further expansion of the role of planets in other directions - and I expect that it will. The interaction of the two player communities will be interesting - and maybe difficult. The console community will probably want lots of regular action, and reasonably fair fights. They will not want to hang around for days for a planetary blockade to be lifted by a fleet, and then be totally annihilated in 10 seconds when they find that whoever hired them totally underestimated the ground defences. The problem is that, without planetary blockades etc. really having an effect on the ground warfare, the two communities will become totally disconnected.
My best try would be to make it very possible to stop ground forces arriving by action in space, but when they do become established, it is virtually impossible to remove them except by ground action (or causing major infrastructure damage to the palnet). That is, ground wars, once they start, last quite a while.
Once planets become active producers/consumers of goods, I expect a major revamp of the whole trading system - it might even become possible to make a decent living off trading stuff again! After all, that consignment of supplies really has to get through to the planet to keep the rebellion going. `Now, Mr. Solo, how much to guarantee that you can deliver that blockade runner of supplies by this time...'
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.08.22 11:17:00 -
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Would you guys PLEASE keep all this to ONE thread? Seeing 20 Dust threads on the first page is ****ing me off. YES, CCP announced Dust, and YES it's gonna be the end of EVE / absolutely awesome, but seriously...Learn to look at the first page before posting something? ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die. |
Prt Scr
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Posted - 2009.08.22 12:01:00 -
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Is it true that the CEO of goonswarm just went out and brought 5000 game consules?
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.08.22 13:41:00 -
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Are there 0.0 systems that aren't npc controlled and have no planets at all? I'm sure there must be one or two, will these systems be changed at the time, or will they be the most secure-from-DUST-activity systems throughout New Eden?
And I've been trying to tell people we don't have all the details so don't panic just yet too.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:18:00 -
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Any Alliance that really needs a great deal of space should have more than enough people to claim it.
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Deira Lenia
Carebear Evolution DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:24:00 -
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Whaaaa Whaaaa WHaaaa WHaaaa Whaaaa Speculation Speculation Speculation Speculation Speculation Whaaa WHaaa Whaaa WHaaa WHaaa
I TLDR'd ur post. Come back one they actualy released more then 5 minutes of "we are making this awsome game lulz" promo material. For all you and i know, their secretly working on Hello Kitty Online: The Ground Fluffing. -- Carebear Evolution. Learning People to explode since: Err, since we felt like it.
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Bogatah
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:30:00 -
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Instead of seeing DUST as a different game look at it as EVE except you choose to either pilot or ground and pound. Makes more sense that way. I dont take the console thing into account due to the fact I think 6 months down the road it will be on PC. The only concerns I have are for DUST itself and how it will work as a MMO. DUST is more or less EVE just the ground forces side of it. I also agree that we should be able to interact with the planet but not bombing it as been suggested but more for logistical support and trade.
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:31:00 -
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So what you're saying is basically: CCP just killed EVE. BECAUSE OF FALCON. Guide to forum posting |
Glamaz Cruciatia
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:45:00 -
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Really time to clear up a few thing I have seen that are really bugging me in these posts...
Quote: Also realize Xbox360 and PS3 have contracts that do not allow subs so dust wont be a sub game on console it will be a buy it one time and your done, or you can add updates and charge them for that. For example I know the bylaws well for xbox360 live they already charge a sub they wont let you charge anyone another one to play dust. Microsoft owns its console world and they wont let anyone else get a monthly income from it.
100% false, atleast as far as the xbox360 is concerned, there is atleast one (that I know of) MMO type games on the console that charge a sub, I think its Phantasy Star Universe, I am sure there are others, so the lack of sub rumour due to it being on console are pure BS..
Quote: #1 you will ultimately take the power to decide ones fate away from the eve online players and put it in the hands of console players.
I doubt it, I think it will be loosely linked, as in players of EVE could put out a 'public' contract for the DUST players to do x, y or z, so even those alliances who dont have the game, can still take advantage.
Quote: #2 you will not release the game on pc and force us non-console guys to buy one, i wouldnĘt mind playing dust but I am not buying a console to do it.
And this is a bad thing how? I see so many people against console gamers and games but why?, I seriously doubt the DUST game will have such an impact that you need to have the game to be able to control space, having the game on pc and console will create even more of a headache as far as getting them all online together....
Quote: #3 you will alienate a large part of the player base and screw up the economy. Eve is more dependent than any other mmo on its players.
I doubt it, DUST looks to me like a way to introduce new players to the EVE universe, whom perhaps dont like space ships and want more instant pvp, more players in the games as a whole can only be good, plus have faith in ccp I doubt they would do this in such a way to ruin the current eve economy, I think it would perhaps add more to it, as more isk will need to move around in paying for the DUST mercs and vise versa...
Yes EVE is dependant on its players and still will be, this will bring new types of players to the universe..
Quote: I've yet to see a single person say "But we have no idea how deeply it's actually going to effect sov!"
This TBFH, at best we currently have very patchy details to say the least, not only do we have no idea how DUST will affect SOV, we also have no idea how SOV is going to be changed in the expansion...
SO lets all just settle down and wait and see, personally I love it, being a PC gamer and a Console gamer, I love the whole idea of the two having an affect on one another..
I only have three words for CCP, Bring it on, and for those who aint down with that, I got two words for ya : SUCK IT :P
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Another Forum'Alt So what you're saying is basically: CCP just killed EVE.
haha, oh, you crazy kids and your nonsense. |+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +|
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Higgs Foton
Scoopex Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.22 15:16:00 -
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Interesting is that this new system puts the importance of cooperating between EVE and DUST players. Those ties must be forged, and i am wondering how they plan that. Will the EVE forums be also open to DUST players, so deals can be made? It also suggests that a dedicated 0.0 alliance must also have a DUST fighting force apart from a PVP space force. What is more interesting is that this system will be very beneficial to organisations which already have a strong tie outside EVE. We have one such an organisation in EVE.
I for one, welcome our GoonSwarm overlords. ___________________________________
Ich auch, bin schwul
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Kaiden Exeider
Gallente Astrowork Systems Haven Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.22 15:23:00 -
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well, the next expansion is gonna have something to do with sovereignty, maybe we should wait to see what new details about that, then maybe we can see how Dust will fit into that.
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Zach 101
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Posted - 2009.08.22 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia Really time to clear up a few thing I have seen that are really bugging me in these posts...
Quote: Also realize Xbox360 and PS3 have contracts that do not allow subs so dust wont be a sub game on console it will be a buy it one time and your done, or you can add updates and charge them for that. For example I know the bylaws well for xbox360 live they already charge a sub they wont let you charge anyone another one to play dust. Microsoft owns its console world and they wont let anyone else get a monthly income from it.
100% false, atleast as far as the xbox360 is concerned, there is atleast one (that I know of) MMO type games on the console that charge a sub, I think its Phantasy Star Universe, I am sure there are others, so the lack of sub rumour due to it being on console are pure BS..
Quote: #1 you will ultimately take the power to decide ones fate away from the eve online players and put it in the hands of console players.
I doubt it, I think it will be loosely linked, as in players of EVE could put out a 'public' contract for the DUST players to do x, y or z, so even those alliances who dont have the game, can still take advantage.
Quote: #2 you will not release the game on pc and force us non-console guys to buy one, i wouldnĘt mind playing dust but I am not buying a console to do it.
And this is a bad thing how? I see so many people against console gamers and games but why?, I seriously doubt the DUST game will have such an impact that you need to have the game to be able to control space, having the game on pc and console will create even more of a headache as far as getting them all online together....
Quote: #3 you will alienate a large part of the player base and screw up the economy. Eve is more dependent than any other mmo on its players.
I doubt it, DUST looks to me like a way to introduce new players to the EVE universe, whom perhaps dont like space ships and want more instant pvp, more players in the games as a whole can only be good, plus have faith in ccp I doubt they would do this in such a way to ruin the current eve economy, I think it would perhaps add more to it, as more isk will need to move around in paying for the DUST mercs and vise versa...
Yes EVE is dependant on its players and still will be, this will bring new types of players to the universe..
Quote: I've yet to see a single person say "But we have no idea how deeply it's actually going to effect sov!"
This TBFH, at best we currently have very patchy details to say the least, not only do we have no idea how DUST will affect SOV, we also have no idea how SOV is going to be changed in the expansion...
SO lets all just settle down and wait and see, personally I love it, being a PC gamer and a Console gamer, I love the whole idea of the two having an affect on one another..
I only have three words for CCP, Bring it on, and for those who aint down with that, I got two words for ya : SUCK IT :P
well put honelstly why be so selfish as to say no to console players i do wish ccp could clear some of these up a little more but seriously what harm could it do to us capsulers i own a Xbox 360 and i would be dissapointed if i got blocked out because of some pathetic unsencable non reasoned posts
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