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Drei Ontalas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.31 09:58:00 -
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1. In these forums there appears to be this notion that Hi-sec players should move (by force or encouragement) to lower-sec space. Why?
If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem? If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem? If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem?
2. I am genuinely interested in establishing where/how the hostility towards hi-sec comes from. From my admittedly limitedly experience it seems so come down to the EVE equivalent of "Mommy he won't play with me! Make him!"
Am I completely off the mark?
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Mr Care Bear
Unicorn Zero
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:05:00 -
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Not sure, I don't really PVP. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:05:00 -
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Because most of them want to change EvE Online into a Theme Park MMO. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:06:00 -
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Here is some ones view on players who like to keep it simple. Horse's Mouth |
Kehro Urgus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:07:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Because most of them want to change EvE Online into a Theme Park MMO. That's why the CSM is dominated by null sec alliances. I found a dead cat on the side of the road so I -átook it home and put some honey on it and cooked it and then I ate it. Is that bad? do do do dooo... GÖ¬ GÖ½
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Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:09:00 -
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Because gankers are scared to PVP with ships which have guns Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:12:00 -
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Nobody hates hiseccers, but everybody loathes the whiny carebear forum poster who wants to ruin EVE.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:14:00 -
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Because this is a PVP, and most of the current crop of highseccers think they should be safe.
This hate is new, it wasn't here until around Incarna(the expansion geared to pull in the wow type players who wouldn't play because they had no avatar), so I would expect it to pass.
Probably pass once those wow players who refuse to HTFU finally move back to themepark MMOs Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:23:00 -
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They ones that are mostly hated are not players, they're high sec dwellers, there is a fine differnece between a player and a dweller.
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buee
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:23:00 -
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Because EvE is and should always be a reflection of life, the only thing fair in it is death. |
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Drei Ontalas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:24:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Because most of them want to change EvE Online into a Theme Park MMO. That's why the CSM is dominated by null sec alliances.
CCP bills EVE as a game of risk, but what would be the problem with Hi-sec (not the rest of the game) being turned into a themepark? |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:27:00 -
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Those who joined the game knowing that the premise was it being pvp centered and didn't wrap you in cotton wool are now fighting against the rising tide of entitled whiners who seem to believe that the game should change to benefit them and them alone.
They've drifted in from other games, probably lured by the shiny enticement of Walking in Stations, and now discover that the hand holding and cotton wool wrapping they enjoyed elsewhere isn't available in EVE. The players who appreciate EVE for what CCP made it are taking back the game.
The whiner's time has come, face the fact that the game isn't Hello Kitty, grow some balls and teeth or fall away like dead wood. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone. |
EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:28:00 -
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The whiners want to play the game their way with no interruption or outside factors unless they specifically go looking for it.
The people who "hate" them do not want them to play that way, they want them to play their way.
oversimplification
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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:34:00 -
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"The whiny carebear that wants to destroy EVE" is the second biggest myth ever, right after Bigfoot. I've never seen one on these forums. What I do see, however, is a lot douchebaggy "PvPers" who wants to ruin EVE by idiotic ideas such as removal of local and High-sec areas.
The hate, in my eyes, is unwarranted and most often down right hypocritical. Gallente is what America believes itself to be.
Caldari is how America is in reality. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:38:00 -
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Drei Ontalas wrote:1. In these forums there appears to be this notion that Hi-sec players should move (by force or encouragement) to lower-sec space. Why?
If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem? If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem? If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem?
2. I am genuinely interested in establishing where/how the hostility towards hi-sec comes from. From my admittedly limitedly experience it seems so come down to the EVE equivalent of "Mommy he won't play with me! Make him!"
Am I completely off the mark?
Sociopaths need someone to hate. And their brains are shortcircuited, so they themselves don't understand why they do what they do.
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RAP ACTION HERO
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:39:00 -
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because they whine |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:39:00 -
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You assume all Hi-Sec players = carebear sperglords likr yourself. The hate is directed at the whiners that want to change the game we've loved for years. Also the overwhelming influx of these whiners is worrying.
Eve is the last stronghold of worthwhile on-line gaming. Quiet simply, what they want is certain death for eve. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
955
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:39:00 -
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EFF ONEF1 wrote:The whiners want to play the game their way with no interruption or outside factors unless they specifically go looking for it.
The people who "hate" them do not want them to play that way, they want them to play their way.
oversimplification
Not necessarily "our" way ... but just to realise that "yes, seriously, by clicking 'UNDOCK' you consented to PvP". Along with that, the acceptance that anyone can blap you anywhere at any time for any reason, and it's 100% "fair" within the confines of the game rules (sure, it stings ... and it has the potential to set you back days or weeks ... but someone can do the same thing to them [might even be YOU one day]) |
Drei Ontalas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:41:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:You assume all Hi-Sec players = carebear sperglords likr yourself. The hate is directed at the whiners that want to change the game we've loved for years. Also the overwhelming influx of these whiners is worrying.
Eve is the last stronghold of worthwhile on-line gaming. Quiet simply, what they want is certain death for eve.
What do they want? and how will it kill EVE? |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
103
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:45:00 -
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Drei Ontalas wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:You assume all Hi-Sec players = carebear sperglords likr yourself. The hate is directed at the whiners that want to change the game we've loved for years. Also the overwhelming influx of these whiners is worrying.
Eve is the last stronghold of worthwhile on-line gaming. Quiet simply, what they want is certain death for eve. What do they want? and how will it kill EVE?
Hello, freshly created troll alt. They want exactly what you typed up in your troll post |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:48:00 -
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EFF ONEF1 wrote:The people who "hate" them do not want them to play that way, they want them to play their way. We don't want them to play 'our' way, we want them to quit whining about their own stupid mistakes.
I lost an orca in nullsec recently because I was running back and forth from the system I mine in to the refinery station, and kept it up long enough for one of the cloakyfags in local of one of the systems I was in to notice. Did I once complain about cloakyfags, lack of ability to tank an orca strongly enough to survive a single cruiser(cynabal iirc), or anything else? No, I laughed, learned to use the JB network even for an orca that will burn up all its fuel(also joined the JB fueling team since I burn alot of the fuel nowadays) and then had to explain to my CEO how I stupidly lost a 800 mil ship and totally screwed up our corp killboard.
If you die and learn from it, you won't get griefed, because you will make it to hard to kill you. If you just keep dying over and over, you just keep painting a bigger and bigger X on your back for people to aim at. We are not expecting a bigger commitment, or for people to abandon their overall playstyle. We are expecting people to stop being so bloody ******* ********, and take steps to protect themselves.
Those who refuse to adapt to the changing circumstances in eve are doomed to failure, and good riddance. Those who do adapt, well, even if we hate what you do, we will still respect you for learning and adapting to EVE. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
955
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:49:00 -
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Drei Ontalas wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:You assume all Hi-Sec players = carebear sperglords likr yourself. The hate is directed at the whiners that want to change the game we've loved for years. Also the overwhelming influx of these whiners is worrying.
Eve is the last stronghold of worthwhile on-line gaming. Quiet simply, what they want is certain death for eve. What do they want? and how will it kill EVE?
What they want: 100% safe "on rails" experience, with optional PvP (see: WoW, SWTOR, etc as examples of this type of gameplay).
Why it will kill EVE: Because once you put things "on rails", you kill the sandbox. The sandbox is the main reason that I (and many other people) came to this game.
Sure, "sandbox" means you can play however you want ... and mining "in safety" can be done. You just have to realize that everyone else logged in can ALSO play however they want.
CCP, Tyrannis Expansion wrote:Your goals may align with some ... and with others, collide with the force of suns |
Drei Ontalas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:50:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:Drei Ontalas wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:You assume all Hi-Sec players = carebear sperglords likr yourself. The hate is directed at the whiners that want to change the game we've loved for years. Also the overwhelming influx of these whiners is worrying.
Eve is the last stronghold of worthwhile on-line gaming. Quiet simply, what they want is certain death for eve. What do they want? and how will it kill EVE? Hello, freshly created troll alt. They want exactly what you typed up in your troll post
Okay. So why is that a problem?
I'm not a troll, just new. |
Ticarus Hellbrandt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:50:00 -
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Eve is a pvp game, it doesnt do the economy any good having half the population sitting about running missions and never being blown up in years of playing. |
Kathen Darkmoore
Swallows And Amazons
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:52:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:"The whiny carebear that wants to destroy EVE" is the second biggest myth ever, right after Bigfoot. I've never seen one on these forums. What I do see, however, is a lot douchebaggy "PvPers" who wants to ruin EVE by idiotic ideas such as removal of local and High-sec areas.
The hate, in my eyes, is unwarranted and most often down right hypocritical.
^ This |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:52:00 -
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Drei Ontalas wrote:1. In these forums there appears to be this notion that Hi-sec players should move (by force or encouragement) to lower-sec space. Why?
If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem? If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem? If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem?
2. I am genuinely interested in establishing where/how the hostility towards hi-sec comes from. From my admittedly limitedly experience it seems so come down to the EVE equivalent of "Mommy he won't play with me! Make him!"
Am I completely off the mark?
Don't generalise null sec mentality, but indeed some "all-day-nothing-to-do" nerds+a few no brains stated you are bad at this game if you're in high sec.
Nothing wrong, in every game you have this kind of mentality, just ignore them and do what you have to do. |
TigerXtrm
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
20
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:54:00 -
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Because the PVPers somehow think they have the right to tell other people how to play a sandbox game. Notice that it's only PVPers bitching and that the carebears actually very rarely complain about anything (unless they got ganked in hi-sec).
More so I think the majority of these 'PVPers' that complain found out that they are worthless in any major battle and just want some easy targets in low-sec so they can at least kill something. But one does not simply kill a miner alone in hi-sec so they whine and ***** here :D.
As for the Goons trying to mess with hi-sec, it's just in their interest to kill as many Hulks as possible because they earn massive amounts of money for each one that gets replaced. It's business, nothing more. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
253
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:56:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Because most of them want to change EvE Online into a Theme Park MMO.
Most?
How do you know? You want fries with that? |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
104
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:56:00 -
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Drei Ontalas wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:Drei Ontalas wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:You assume all Hi-Sec players = carebear sperglords likr yourself. The hate is directed at the whiners that want to change the game we've loved for years. Also the overwhelming influx of these whiners is worrying.
Eve is the last stronghold of worthwhile on-line gaming. Quiet simply, what they want is certain death for eve. What do they want? and how will it kill EVE? Hello, freshly created troll alt. They want exactly what you typed up in your troll post Okay. So why is that a problem? I'm not a troll, just new.
You tell me first why it isn't. |
Drei Ontalas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:58:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Drei Ontalas wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:You assume all Hi-Sec players = carebear sperglords likr yourself. The hate is directed at the whiners that want to change the game we've loved for years. Also the overwhelming influx of these whiners is worrying.
Eve is the last stronghold of worthwhile on-line gaming. Quiet simply, what they want is certain death for eve. What do they want? and how will it kill EVE? What they want: 100% safe "on rails" experience, with optional PvP (see: WoW, SWTOR, etc as examples of this type of gameplay). Why it will kill EVE: Because once you put things "on rails", you kill the sandbox. The sandbox is the main reason that I (and many other people) came to this game. Sure, "sandbox" means you can play however you want ... and mining "in safety" can be done. You just have to realize that everyone else logged in can ALSO play however they want. CCP, Tyrannis Expansion wrote:Your goals may align with some ... and with others, collide with the force of suns
I take your point about putting the game "on rails", but if CCP could get a giant chunk of cash by allowing Hi-sec to go "themepark" would that be too much of an intrusion into the sandbox nature of the game? After all Hi-Sec is a very small part of the EVE universe. |
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