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karmahpolice
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Posted - 2009.08.23 04:36:00 -
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So what can i do with this 6-700 mil worth of rigs i have getting ready to sell on the market, when they are all large now? theres no option to make them medium, or small? They just magically go poof, large? POOOF??!?
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Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.08.23 04:38:00 -
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1: reprocess 2: rebuild as small or medium 3: ????? 4: Profit!
_______________________ with a name as trustworthy as mine, i cant POSSIBLY be an alt
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails <-- this is your brain on boosters
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.23 04:40:00 -
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1. Read dev blog 2. Wait for patch 3. ..?? 4. Profit!
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karmahpolice
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Posted - 2009.08.23 04:41:00 -
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wtf is a dev blog and why do i have to read it. cant they e-mail me important changes?
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Captian Conrad
Minmatar Empyrean Warriors
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Posted - 2009.08.23 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: karmahpolice wtf is a dev blog and why do i have to read it. cant they e-mail me important changes?
Read patch notes then complain on fourms cos u didnt read ahead
and TBH this doesnt change anything, people are still buying L rigs for there BS's Ect
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.23 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 23/08/2009 04:44:18
Originally by: karmahpolice wtf is a dev blog and why do i have to read it. cant they e-mail me important changes?
I think they should also play the game and poast for you too..
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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karmahpolice
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Posted - 2009.08.23 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 23/08/2009 04:44:18
Originally by: karmahpolice wtf is a dev blog and why do i have to read it. cant they e-mail me important changes?
I think they should also play the game and poast for you too..
AYE! you should be a dev! you got the right idea
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.23 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: karmahpolice wtf is a dev blog and why do i have to read it. cant they e-mail me important changes?
Fair enough.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.23 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: karmahpolice wtf is a dev blog and why do i have to read it. cant they e-mail me important changes?
If this is a serious post and not a troll my mind boggles that you've managed to succeed at all in Eve.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.23 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: karmahpolice
Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 23/08/2009 04:44:18
Originally by: karmahpolice wtf is a dev blog and why do i have to read it. cant they e-mail me important changes?
I think they should also play the game and poast for you too..
AYE! you should be a dev! you got the right idea
You should send tham a note about that then. All my apps get sent back with a big red ugly 'Overqualified' stamp on the front.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Rilwar
BlackStar Industrial
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Posted - 2009.08.23 05:17:00 -
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Wahhhhhhhhhhh -------------------------------------------------
Mitnal was here. |
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.23 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: karmahpolice So what can i do with this 6-700 mil worth of rigs i have getting ready to sell on the market, when they are all large now? theres no option to make them medium, or small? They just magically go poof, large? POOOF??!?
sell them still? seems fairly simple to me.
Im actually more concerned about the market histories - did they follow the name change?
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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Ozone71
Caldari Kamikaze Fleet Command
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Posted - 2009.08.23 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: karmahpolice So what can i do with this 6-700 mil worth of rigs i have getting ready to sell on the market, when they are all large now? theres no option to make them medium, or small? They just magically go poof, large? POOOF??!?
sell them still? seems fairly simple to me.
Not quite so simple.
Some rigs are better suited to certain ships than others. A cargo hold expansion rig is not likely to be installed on a battle ship, for example, so is more valuable as a "Med" or "Small" size than a large. What if you have a fleet of frigates and are currently running research on a BPO. You now have a BPO researched for Large ships and all you have is a fleet of small... It may not be so easy to sell the Large BPO and buy a similarly researched small BPO (especially since you now have to wait for all of the research to be done on the small BPO)
It also means that if you had a good business going building rigs for the market, your sales will now drop since your market has been split into different sectors. Where once you could sell to anyone with any ship, you can now only sell to Battleship owners and have to re-invest to buy more BPO's and research them to build back your market share.
I like the idea of cheaper rigs for smaller ships, but the sudden change means that small and medium ships can't use any of the current rigs, BPO's and BPC's you have in stock.
It will settle in time, but for the moment, there will be some pain.
Now I am off to read the DEV Blog to see what CCP's plans are .... "Ozone is blue and smells faintly of geraniums." (Qi, BBC TV) |
wickedpheonix
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2009.08.23 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ozone71
It also means that if you had a good business going building rigs for the market, your sales will now drop since your market has been split into different sectors. Where once you could sell to anyone with any ship, you can now only sell to Battleship owners and have to re-invest to buy more BPO's and research them to build back your market share.
But once you purchase and research the small/medium rig BPOs, your sales and profits will increase since there will be more people in the market for rigs with decreased prices. That is to say, previously, 90% of your market before was battleship pilots anyways. Now, you'll still be selling the same stuff to the same battleship pilots but will pick up more customers with your new small/medium rig offerings. So really, it works out for the best.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.23 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ozone71
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: karmahpolice So what can i do with this 6-700 mil worth of rigs i have getting ready to sell on the market, when they are all large now? theres no option to make them medium, or small? They just magically go poof, large? POOOF??!?
sell them still? seems fairly simple to me.
Not quite so simple.
Some rigs are better suited to certain ships than others. A cargo hold expansion rig is not likely to be installed on a battle ship, for example, so is more valuable as a "Med" or "Small" size than a large. What if you have a fleet of frigates and are currently running research on a BPO. You now have a BPO researched for Large ships and all you have is a fleet of small... It may not be so easy to sell the Large BPO and buy a similarly researched small BPO (especially since you now have to wait for all of the research to be done on the small BPO)
It also means that if you had a good business going building rigs for the market, your sales will now drop since your market has been split into different sectors. Where once you could sell to anyone with any ship, you can now only sell to Battleship owners and have to re-invest to buy more BPO's and research them to build back your market share.
I like the idea of cheaper rigs for smaller ships, but the sudden change means that small and medium ships can't use any of the current rigs, BPO's and BPC's you have in stock.
It will settle in time, but for the moment, there will be some pain.
Now I am off to read the DEV Blog to see what CCP's plans are ....
So? if you really wanted to, nothing is stopping you from buying rigs of any size off the market, reprocessing them, and building whatever rig of whatever size. Small and medium rig requirements are fairly small compared to the large versions.. you can make 3-4 meds out of a small (i think, didnt really do the numbers up on that one)
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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Ozone71
Caldari Kamikaze Fleet Command
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
So? if you really wanted to, nothing is stopping you from buying rigs of any size off the market, reprocessing them, and building whatever rig of whatever size. Small and medium rig requirements are fairly small compared to the large versions.. you can make 3-4 meds out of a small (i think, didnt really do the numbers up on that one)
Sure, you could buy a rig and reprocess it. It may even be easier or cheaper to do that (and cop the 10% reprocess wastage) than run around buying up the raw materials yourself. You may even build the smaller rigs.... IF you have the BPO's or BPC's - which no one has one day 1.
The issue, until everything stabilises again, is that some people have spent both time and ISK researching a BPO for a rig that they can now only sell in the large size. If that was a rig commonly used for Large craft - no problems, but if it was a rig commonly fitted to small and medium craft, then all of their time and isk are wasted. They now have to go and buy new BPO's and spend more ISK to research them again.
What would have been a better approach (although complex and annoying) would have been an option along the lines of the following:
- After the patch, all existing rigs in stock and BPO's are set as "Unsized" - Rigs and BPO's currently on the market by players are set as the size "Unsized" - Rigs and BPO's currently on the market by NPC's are duplicated as Small Medium and Large offerings - An Unsized rig or BPO cannot be sold, contracted, moved, manufactured or researched (etc) - To Size a rig, you select it and get asked "S/M/L". Once the selection is made, a rig is now sized and cannot be changed.
All rigs left unsized after 30 days (1 billing cycle) are made "large" by default.
Of course its too late to change all this, but it would have allowed players to decide what size they wanted for their existing rigs, rather than have them all set to "large" by default.
Sure... a large rig can be made into a smaller rig, but you cant "reprocess" a Large BP into a smaller BP. "Ozone is blue and smells faintly of geraniums." (Qi, BBC TV) |
Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ozone71
Originally by: Lance Fighter
So? if you really wanted to, nothing is stopping you from buying rigs of any size off the market, reprocessing them, and building whatever rig of whatever size. Small and medium rig requirements are fairly small compared to the large versions.. you can make 3-4 meds out of a small (i think, didnt really do the numbers up on that one)
Sure, you could buy a rig and reprocess it. It may even be easier or cheaper to do that (and cop the 10% reprocess wastage) than run around buying up the raw materials yourself. You may even build the smaller rigs.... IF you have the BPO's or BPC's - which no one has one day 1.
The issue, until everything stabilises again, is that some people have spent both time and ISK researching a BPO for a rig that they can now only sell in the large size. If that was a rig commonly used for Large craft - no problems, but if it was a rig commonly fitted to small and medium craft, then all of their time and isk are wasted. They now have to go and buy new BPO's and spend more ISK to research them again.
What would have been a better approach (although complex and annoying) would have been an option along the lines of the following:
- After the patch, all existing rigs in stock and BPO's are set as "Unsized" - Rigs and BPO's currently on the market by players are set as the size "Unsized" - Rigs and BPO's currently on the market by NPC's are duplicated as Small Medium and Large offerings - An Unsized rig or BPO cannot be sold, contracted, moved, manufactured or researched (etc) - To Size a rig, you select it and get asked "S/M/L". Once the selection is made, a rig is now sized and cannot be changed.
All rigs left unsized after 30 days (1 billing cycle) are made "large" by default.
Of course its too late to change all this, but it would have allowed players to decide what size they wanted for their existing rigs, rather than have them all set to "large" by default.
Sure... a large rig can be made into a smaller rig, but you cant "reprocess" a Large BP into a smaller BP.
Yes but WHY would I say "I want this rig to be Small" if the Large version needs about 25 times as mich mterials and if I reprocess it I'd get the materials for at least 20 Small or 4 Medium rigs? Sure you cannot fit them to your ships right away but at least you dont lose 80% (med) 96%(Small) of its (material) worth
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.24 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: karmahpolice So what can i do with this 6-700 mil worth of rigs i have getting ready to sell on the market, when they are all large now? theres no option to make them medium, or small? They just magically go poof, large? POOOF??!?
I'll buy all your large rigs for the price of small/medium
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Jastra
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.24 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: karmahpolice wtf is a dev blog and why do i have to read it. cant they e-mail me important changes?
There were several announcements for patch changes on the news panel as you log in, there are links to patch notes from there.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ozone71
Sure, you could buy a rig and reprocess it. It may even be easier or cheaper to do that (and cop the 10% reprocess wastage) than run around buying up the raw materials yourself. You may even build the smaller rigs.... IF you have the BPO's or BPC's - which no one has one day 1.
First: Anyone with good standing and some refine skills has 0% waste.
B: Verifiably hundreds, probably thousands of people had the BPOs on Day 1. Not so many had BPCs, but, um, yeah. There were small rigs on the market on Day 1, probably medium too. Several people have posted about the massive profits they made from selling small rigs on Day 1.
Care to try again?
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2009.08.24 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ozone71
Not quite so simple.
Some rigs are better suited to certain ships than others. A cargo hold expansion rig is not likely to be installed on a battle ship, for example, so is more valuable as a "Med" or "Small" size than a large.
**Cough**Orca**Cough**
More ships than just Battleships use large rigs. But no... the sky is falling... the sky is falling......
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2009.08.24 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Ozone71
Sure, you could buy a rig and reprocess it. It may even be easier or cheaper to do that (and cop the 10% reprocess wastage) than run around buying up the raw materials yourself. You may even build the smaller rigs.... IF you have the BPO's or BPC's - which no one has one day 1.
First: Anyone with good standing and some refine skills has 0% waste.
B: Verifiably hundreds, probably thousands of people had the BPOs on Day 1. Not so many had BPCs, but, um, yeah. There were small rigs on the market on Day 1, probably medium too. Several people have posted about the massive profits they made from selling small rigs on Day 1.
Care to try again?
Correct on all counts.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.24 08:52:00 -
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So let me get this straight.
You WANT them to turn your LARGE rigs, into SMALL rigs.....
The large rigs that are more expensive, and require more materials, to be turned into small rigs......, basicly removing 90% of the value on your stock of rigs? --------------------------------------------
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.24 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith So let me get this straight.
You WANT them to turn your LARGE rigs, into SMALL rigs.....
The large rigs that are more expensive, and require more materials, to be turned into small rigs......, basicly removing 90% of the value on your stock of rigs?
But, but, the salvage was free!!!!
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.24 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 24/08/2009 12:11:36 I know its been said, but why cant these Rig moaners spot the fact they can reprocess rigs they don't want, buy the new rig BP's (dirt cheap) and even with nil research make a killing on them right now? They will make substantially more than if they had sold the ones they had.
As a nice bonus they have fully researched large rig BPO's which will now go up in value as the research times have been massively extended.
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Saturn Moon
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Posted - 2009.08.24 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: karmahpolice So what can i do with this 6-700 mil worth of rigs i have getting ready to sell on the market, when they are all large now? theres no option to make them medium, or small? They just magically go poof, large? POOOF??!?
*cough cough* Troll *cough cough*
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Doomed Predator
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.24 15:24:00 -
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I'd say can I have your stuff, but you're just trollin' The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again |
Zed Jackelope
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.24 15:53:00 -
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lol @ "having" to research a small rig bpo.
have you even looked at 'em?
Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter.
When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.24 16:18:00 -
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What's scary is the science slot times have increased with all those smart players researching small rigs to 300.
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Ozone71
Caldari Kamikaze Fleet Command
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Posted - 2009.08.28 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Ozone71
Sure, you could buy a rig and reprocess it. It may even be easier or cheaper to do that (and cop the 10% reprocess wastage) than run around buying up the raw materials yourself. You may even build the smaller rigs.... IF you have the BPO's or BPC's - which no one has one day 1.
First: Anyone with good standing and some refine skills has 0% waste.
B: Verifiably hundreds, probably thousands of people had the BPOs on Day 1. Not so many had BPCs, but, um, yeah. There were small rigs on the market on Day 1, probably medium too. Several people have posted about the massive profits they made from selling small rigs on Day 1.
Care to try again?
Sure....
Point 1 - You still have waste. If it takes 100 units of "X" to build a rig you do not get 100 units back from reprocessing. There is no "waste" per se, but you do lose something in the process.
Point 2 - Sure.. Day 1 BPO's were available, but how many of them had ... say ... PE 25, ME 40? or anything like that? NIL.
Yes ok .. Large fits Orca, Battle Ship .. and a whole lot of other ships... but not every Rig is suited to every size of ship. Some rigs will find a bigger market at a certain size than others.
So you stuck with large rigs .. YES I KNOW .. melt them down, build medium and small rigs and keep the excess... that is blatantly obvious and I have not argued with that point. (although I still say you lose some bits in the process)
My issue is that people have spent time and ISK researching BPOs that now, have less value than they did before. If I owned a researched rig BPO, or even a BPC I'd bought to use to make rigs for my frigate fleet...I'd have liked the opportunity to select what size BP I wanted, not have it forced upon me.
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