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Round Midnight
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Posted - 2009.08.24 02:49:00 -
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If I understand correctly player corp standings are derived from the members standings. But if a members standing with a corp/faction is 0 (null) it is not contribute to corp standings.
Is it possible to run missions, declining all combat missions and storylines; so as to maintain my standings such that they have no impact on corp faction standings?
i.e. can I raise standings with a single npc corp whithout affecting any other standings.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.08.24 03:37:00 -
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If you never kill a ship or structure belonging to another faction (pirate factions are probably ok unless your corp needs to maintain null standing with them too), and you never do a storyline mission, then yes you can. Storyline missions are the only way to gain faction standing; storyline missions for enemy factions, blowing up ships of a faction, and blowing up structures that belong to a faction will all cause you to lose standing with that faction. You also can't decline missions after declining another for the same agent in less than 4 hours, nor can you fail missions or quit an accepted mission, because I believe you'll lose some standing with the faction in addition to the loss of standing with the corporation. I'm not certain about this last part though. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
g0ggalor
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Posted - 2009.08.24 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: g0ggalor on 24/08/2009 04:16:13 Just ninja mission and your standing won't change at all. Probe out mission runners and jump in their missions and start collecting bounties. Bring a friend to loot and salvage.
If you thought they cried when you collected a little bit of salvage, you haven't seen anything compared to their reaction to this.
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Round Midnight
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin DeVries You also can't decline missions after declining another for the same agent in less than 4 hours, nor can you fail missions or quit an accepted mission, because I believe you'll lose some standing with the faction in addition to the loss of standing with the corporation. I'm not certain about this last part though.
That's what I am also unsure about. If I am correct and the chracter standings are null then there will be now way back once a mistake is made, which is why I was hoping smeone here would know.
Anyway I am freeing up a character slot so will test with a new char in a day or so.
thanks for reply.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.08.24 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Round Midnight
there will be now way back once a mistake is made, which is why I was hoping smeone here would know.
This is wrong. You have BIG safety margins when dealing with faction standings. Minimum unmodified faction standing where you still can run missions with that faction is -2. Min faction standing with diplomacy V is -5 (gives -2 modified).
Turning down multiple missions gives a very small faction standing hit per mission. I get -0.0105% faction standing loss for declining L4 missions before the 4hr cooldown, which is negligible.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.24 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 24/08/2009 20:06:12
I think some of you are mixing up what the Op is asking. By 'corps' they men their own corp.
If you do any mission at all for an NPC Corp you will be counted for the average calculation for your your own Corps standing and that NPC corp will show up in your NPC list. I cannot see how that is ever reversible, even nil would reduce overall corp standing (or increase it if negative) I assume currently you have no standing at all, or 'null' as you called it and the NPC corp does not show up on your standings list.
You also have to be careful of who their friends and enemies are (look on their tab) as its possible to accidentally get derived standings from doing other NPC corps missions.
So its possible in a 2 man corp that if, say, your corp has 10 standing and you do one mission, in a week (I think it takes that long) your corp standing is around 5, not good.
Someone else will probably clarify If I am wrong, I'm writing from memory.
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Victoria Driunas
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Posted - 2009.08.24 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: Victoria Driunas on 24/08/2009 21:00:58 mistake
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Round Midnight
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:02:00 -
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Thanks Zartanic I think you bought this back on track. It seems that I was not clear/explicit enough in my original post. I will try to explain better.
In my character sheet - Standings - Liked By: I have one entry; tutorial agent @ 10.00 I am Gallente, the tutorial agent is from Centre for Advanced Studies - Gallente.
At present I am babysitting a corp. The corp has +6.74 Gallente standing. If I look at: Corporation - Politics - Standings - Liked By - Gallente Federation - (rclick) show compositions; it shows the standing value with NO contributors to that standing. You can easily check this ingame if you wish (except the contributors part); 1 member corporation.
So it would seem that despite my Gallentean tutorial agent standing of +10 my Gallente standing is null (not 0), and it is reasonable to assume that my standings with ALL other factions/corporations is also null. In fact even my standing with Centre for Advanced Studies (tutorial agent corporation) seems to be null, and my tutorial agent does not appear on the list of corporation agents. So it appears that the tutorial agents exist outside of the normal faction/corporation/agent system.
If I gain a Gallente standing of 0 (not null) or anything < 6.74 I will reduce the corp faction standing.
So to restate my question. I am asking if anyone knows if it is possible to increase a characters standings towards a specific npc corporation without affecting faction standings, and I am taking it as given that I will have to decline any combat/storyline missions (I would even have to refrain from shooting npc in mining missions for example).
regards, RM
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.08.24 22:39:00 -
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Courier missions.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2009.08.25 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Round Midnight If I gain a Gallente standing of 0 (not null) or anything < 6.74 I will reduce the corp faction standing.
So to restate my question. I am asking if anyone knows if it is possible to increase a characters standings towards a specific npc corporation without affecting faction standings, and I am taking it as given that I will have to decline any combat/storyline missions (I would even have to refrain from shooting npc in mining missions for example).
regards, RM
All you have to do is not run a Gallente storyline mission - that will keep your Gallente faction standing at null. You could run missions for any corp and as long as you stick to couriers and don't run storyline missions, your Gallente standing will remain null.
...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.08.25 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 25/08/2009 04:11:53 This is why, IMO, the player corp standing system is broken--null standings (not 0.00, but no standings listed on your character sheet) have no effect on corp standings, but the instant you do a single level 1 mission and raise your standing to 0.01, you drop your corp's standing with that NPC corp like a rock.
I think some other system for determining standings should be used. Maybe the closer to 0.0, the less effect your standing will have, and the further from 0.0 (negative or positive), the greater the effect. Maybe make it where only negative standings can drop the standing--this would make it basically down to the person with the highest positive (and/or negative) standings. At the other end, maybe make null standings count as zero. It would at least make more sense than the current system.
It just seems very illogical to me that an NPC corp never having heard of your character is better for your corp standings than that same NPC corp having a small but positive standing. Which do you think an NPC corp should favor: a corp where all members have some positive standings and one has high positive standings or one where one member has high positive standings, but the others are unknown?
Or at least give us some way of resetting a small positive standing to null, so that those of us with 0.01 standings won't drag our corp's standings down.
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loony thezoon
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:58:00 -
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Interbus?
that might help everyone though
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