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Miss Xoco
Minmatar Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.08.24 05:19:00 -
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What is it on about? Just to check what other characters you have? Does it really protect corps from spy fraud and such?
I just noticed almost every PVP corp is demand of it, or they will refuse any new member. So apparently its extremely important for them.
I like to hear everyones opinion about. Is it safe to give it out and are you doing it or if you dont, why not?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.24 05:20:00 -
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API keys don't catch spies. Since any spy would really have to be on a separate account anyway if you intended to spend much time on them to keep the spy act going and not hinder your mains training. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.08.24 05:28:00 -
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Unless you're super paranoid, and I mean to the point where you don't want anyone knowing your skills (wait, you're joining a PVP corp why?), it's perfectly safe. It doesn't give them access to change anything.
Consider it thus, it's a record of what you've done, and got. No more, no less.
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syphurous
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.24 05:30:00 -
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They could just view your certificates if that was the case :P Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.08.24 05:32:00 -
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I dunno about you, but I hide all my certs. Besides, API keys also include wallet balance, transaction, contracts and the like.
As was said, it won't stop someone who's determined to clear you out, but it gives several factors that will help.
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.08.24 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Signore Kaeota I dunno about you, but I hide all my certs. Besides, API keys also include wallet balance, transaction, contracts and the like.
As was said, it won't stop someone who's determined to clear you out, but it gives several factors that will help.
How is knowing how much ISK you have going to help me steal your pixels? You're too stupid to breathe.
Originally by: Blane Xero API keys don't catch spies. Since any spy would really have to be on a separate account anyway if you intended to spend much time on them to keep the spy act going and not hinder your mains training.
You'd be surprised at how stupid people in this game can be, mate (see above). As with all things in EVE, don't underestimate stupidity. You might have a wannabe spy tell you he can fly Hulks or whatever else just to get access to corp/alliance mails, forum and vent/TS info only to never actually log in and participate.. and if you'd just seen the skill info via API, you would've known he was just a fresh wannabe spy alt of someone who didn't know the game well enough to go about it the right way.
But it's not just to find spies. You might find another toon on an account which has been burned and outed as a corp thief or one of those 'join ur corp and kill u for lulz' type gankbears. May find that jita/amarr/dodixie/rens scammer alt (a concern for corporations who care about internet spaceship morals), any number of things that would make you not accept a new member.
But the primary point for PvP corps is to see the skill training. I don't give a damn how much ISK my members have (as long as they're not RMTing), but I DO want to know at a glance how many pilots I have that can fly a <specific gang pvp ship/fit> with <specific module> so that I can either go, "Oh hey, we got enough people to do <comedy romp>" or "If this guy trains this <6 hours worth of skills> we could do <srs bzns pvp tactics>, I need to talk to him and see if he wouldn't mind squeezing it in".
"You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:24:00 -
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its often done to do a quick check of your skills so alliance/corp leaders know what you are capable of.
i dont mind giving out my API key, but only for a little while.
ill give new corp leaders about a day to check out the API, then i change it.
my last alliance wanted use of the API key on an ongoing basis, and wouldn't let you use their forums unless you gave it to them, so i never got access to the forums as i refuse to play that game. ive known cases of corp leaders in PvP corps kicking people out if they are training something non-PvP related, using the API key to boss peoples training schedules around.
its all meta-gaming and abuse of the API, and i have no time for it. ------ I, for one, welcome our new console overlords! |
Borun Tal
Minmatar Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:26:00 -
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I never give out my API keys to any person (EFT and EVEMon notwithstanding). If asked for it to join a corp, I don't join the corp.
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Miss Xoco
Minmatar Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:28:00 -
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Im not sure about its content, considering i may only give out limited API anyway. But still lot of Infos others may be able to read. And i actually need to see the gain from it, and im not so sure it it rly is able to protect corps from spys. If they only want to see if my skills are correct, i mean, they dont trust me? Its a bit disappointing having others in doubt about me saying the truth.
Anyway, yeah... its good to hear others out.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Xoco they dont trust me? Its a bit disappointing having others in doubt about me saying the truth.
this is eve. noone trusts anyone without good reason.
but year, the primary reason people ask for API keys is to assess your skills. ------ I, for one, welcome our new console overlords! |
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:40:00 -
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Main point of asking limited API is to see full character list on that account. Establised corps run background cheks for all those chars. If something smells fishy - for example 40 mil SP guy who is claiming to be main character on account and has security status 0.0 and no standings to NPC's full API is asked to dig really deep - ie transaction history, asset lists, completed research jobs, etcetc.
If one is unwilling to hand out his API to said corporation he wants to join there is plenty of other options. Like starting his own corp or joining one of the gazillion of small empire based corporations who are so desperate form members to take anyone who glances at their direction without any security cheks.
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex Main point of asking limited API is to see full character list on that account. Establised corps run background cheks for all those chars. If something smells fishy - for example 40 mil SP guy who is claiming to be main character on account and has security status 0.0 and no standings to NPC's full API is asked to dig really deep - ie transaction history, asset lists, completed research jobs, etcetc.
If one is unwilling to hand out his API to said corporation he wants to join there is plenty of other options. Like starting his own corp or joining one of the gazillion of small empire based corporations who are so desperate form members to take anyone who glances at their direction without any security cheks.
Man speaks truth. It's primarily a means for me to check you out briefly and see if I can find anything dubious on first glance.
If you don't like to give out the API key.... tough luck. Find another corp. --------
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.24 07:07:00 -
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I wouldn't want to be part of a corporation that'd want me.
Saying that, i'm completely trustworthy, people know this, i would never cheat anyone of their assets and corptheft would be beyond all i hold as a moral compass in my time in EVE....but... i wouldn't dream of doing anything outside the game to gain someones trust while joining a corporation.
If my word and/or certificates aren't enough, i'll go elsewhere
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thatbloke
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.24 07:27:00 -
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Just make sure you give out your limited API key and not the full one :)
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Vaari
Amarr Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2009.08.24 07:31:00 -
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What is API key?
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.24 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vaari What is API key?
This.
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Stargazer Monk
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Posted - 2009.08.24 07:53:00 -
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Once you start taking people in your corp it is never going to be safe. A lot of corp theft / chaos is done by close friends / dedicated members that get disgruntled over a long period of time...and with the good spies you will never even know that they are spies till its too late (even with your API / background check). As for the skill point thing? You will soon find out if the person lied about their skills at which point you can boot / pod them...a new member with no roles isn't a threat (new members should be kept out of the loop anyway). Basically it's a false sense of security for lazy CEO's / Directors. Nothing is ever certain in EVE
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Miss Xoco
Minmatar Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:30:00 -
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Newcomers usualy get no roles granted, therefor there is no possibilitys for fraud and very limited spying. Guess the corps worried most are giving theyr members as good as no access, but i know way to less about those matters. Anyway, i wouldnt love a CEO-ship which is rather a dictatorship, booting members without even telling em, and with very low trust into its members. Generally i can say, as larger a corp becomes as lesser invidualism. The members may have lesser value for them and are probably handled like goods, rather than friends. So, size truly isnt always the key, nor the API-KEY. But i do understand when certain corps just enjoy having maximum security, thats never wrong but it should never go at the cost of trust and friendship.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Substance its often done to do a quick check of your skills so alliance/corp leaders know what you are capable of.
i dont mind giving out my API key, but only for a little while.
ill give new corp leaders about a day to check out the API, then i change it.
my last alliance wanted use of the API key on an ongoing basis, and wouldn't let you use their forums unless you gave it to them, so i never got access to the forums as i refuse to play that game. ive known cases of corp leaders in PvP corps kicking people out if they are training something non-PvP related, using the API key to boss peoples training schedules around.
its all meta-gaming and abuse of the API, and i have no time for it.
LOL @ anyone who puts up with that kind of crap for even a second. If someone wants to dictate my training, they can give me the PLEXs to cover the training time.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.24 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones I wouldn't want to be part of a corporation that'd want me.
Saying that, i'm completely trustworthy, people know this, i would never cheat anyone of their assets and corptheft would be beyond all i hold as a moral compass in my time in EVE....but... i wouldn't dream of doing anything outside the game to gain someones trust while joining a corporation.
If my word and/or certificates aren't enough, i'll go elsewhere
Tbh, the weird requierments of the certs mean less to me then a guys word for his own skills :P.
Maby its just me being older then the cert system... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Signore Kaeota I dunno about you, but I hide all my certs. Besides, API keys also include wallet balance, transaction, contracts and the like.
As was said, it won't stop someone who's determined to clear you out, but it gives several factors that will help.
You need full api key for contracts and transactions, also EVERYONE can see contracts which aren't private.
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Miss Xoco
Minmatar Novem Luna
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Posted - 2009.08.29 19:15:00 -
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Recently, my current corp want to join a alliance. Now the chief of those alliance is in demand of everyones API key from my current corp. And it seems like we agree on that.
Now, why? Are they worried about spys from a corp joining em up? Dont ask me but i do not feel like handing out my API to everyone else on a silver table. I can only hope the API reset is working properly.
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Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2009.08.29 20:05:00 -
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I reallllly dont like handing out my API key, some times I'll flat out refuse. But just for the sake of joining some corp I like I'll hand it over just to satisfy their paranoida. With certs its even less sensible to be handing out your API key but with so many corps demanding it you just have to suck it up....
That said I will never hand out my full API key to any corp and a few have had the gall to ask. Nuts to that -----------------
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.08.29 20:16:00 -
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some corps/alliance's have things very well planned. They have servers that pull the api keys and give them detailed info about their players. Info like how much they pvp vs carebear, how active they are, what Timezones they're active, what times they're most likely to BE active and so on.
Others go further(And need full API Keys) and track corp assets with them. This way they know how many Million units of Liquid Ozone they have in office A and how much in B, and when a player moves some from one to the other, it updates it, telling them when they need to buy more an ship it to office a. Some use this feature to move ships. They'll have a logistics/ship movement/item movement hanger tab, that everyone can drop things into, but only some can take from, so the logistically capable members can help move ships around. The FULL api key in this instance is able to track what is put into the corp hanger and more importantly, what is taken OUT and by WHOM. Then it'll see the item put into the destination hanger of the owner of the item.
Some use API keys to give you access to out of game, or IGB databases. You can only access it using a login/pw that is tied to your account and so on, for things like pos ops, mining ops, pos timers, the above mentioned ship/logistics movement tracking, POS locations, tactical and strategic info databases and so on.
You'd be surpised the amount of data that can be used/manipulated/accessed by a corp with someone who truly understands the scope of the API and how to use it.
And I know all this from personal experience with GOOD corps/alliance's.
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Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.29 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Signore Kaeota I dunno about you, but I hide all my certs. Besides, API keys also include wallet balance, transaction, contracts and the like.
As was said, it won't stop someone who's determined to clear you out, but it gives several factors that will help.
How is knowing how much ISK you have going to help me steal your pixels? You're too stupid to breathe.
He is actually saying that the API key can help to identify a possible thief/spy but that it will not stop him if he's determined.
And you sir are pretty obnoxious. --
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.08.29 22:46:00 -
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ive been asked for it, and even corps/alliances that claimed they "needed" them soon shut up and just accepted me anyway. pretty sure i never gave repo my api, but either they have a lax recruitment policy or they knew i was teh uber woot. probobly just lax recruitment. either way, i dont feel anybody needs to know exactly what skills i have. ill tell you not what i can fly, but what i have the ability to fly well, or what i want to use. just because i can use a destroyer, for example, doesnt mean i ever want to. i could fly a SB, but i wont.
dont be tricked. corps want pilots. if they want you enough, theyll make concessions. -------------------------
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Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.08.29 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones I wouldn't want to be part of a corporation that'd want me.
Saying that, i'm completely trustworthy, people know this, i would never cheat anyone of their assets and corptheft would be beyond all i hold as a moral compass in my time in EVE....but... i wouldn't dream of doing anything outside the game to gain someones trust while joining a corporation.
If my word and/or certificates aren't enough, i'll go elsewhere
DID SOMEONE SAY TRUSTWORTHY?
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.29 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Sheriff Jones I wouldn't want to be part of a corporation that'd want me.
Saying that, i'm completely trustworthy, people know this, i would never cheat anyone of their assets and corptheft would be beyond all i hold as a moral compass in my time in EVE....but... i wouldn't dream of doing anything outside the game to gain someones trust while joining a corporation.
If my word and/or certificates aren't enough, i'll go elsewhere
DID SOMEONE SAY TRUSTWORTHY?
This guy looks trustworthy. * Please use signatures that are EVE-related and do not discuss moderation - Fallout
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.29 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Sheriff Jones I wouldn't want to be part of a corporation that'd want me.
Saying that, i'm completely trustworthy, people know this, i would never cheat anyone of their assets and corptheft would be beyond all i hold as a moral compass in my time in EVE....but... i wouldn't dream of doing anything outside the game to gain someones trust while joining a corporation.
If my word and/or certificates aren't enough, i'll go elsewhere
DID SOMEONE SAY TRUSTWORTHY?
This guy looks trustworthy.
I dunno, His name is Joe. Maybe he was the one that RMT ad was warning us about?!?!? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.08.30 00:35:00 -
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Its like voice com, just a silly newbie thing that newbies think makes them more professional. True pros can look at someone and know what skills they have, AND what they are thinking, instantly, based on the colors of their avatar.
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