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Reldonas
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:18:00 -
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Before starting to explain my question/situation, I would like to make two things clear. 1) I understand that the predicament I am in is MY FAULT, and 2) that the solution for my situation will require A LOT of work to overcome. That being said, if after reading my post you feel you can contribute some USEFUL information please post a reply, it will be greatly appreciated.
I have a character that has been running missions with Gallente and Minmatar factions and as a result, has great standing with the afore mentioned factions, but abysmal standing with Caldari and Amarr factions. Infact, my standings with Amarr are so far gone that I am KOS in Amarr space, and I am unable to accept missions from any Caldari or Amarr agent due to my faction standings.
My problem is, I want to move my character into Amarr space and thus, need to improve my standings with Amarr faction. I have tried to look for examples of other people who have had this same problem, but the solutions are unclear.
I have identified a few scenarioÆs that would help me get my Amarr standing back, so that 1) I am not KOS in Amarr space, and 2) so I can accept missions with Amarr affiliation. I am looking for some feedback as to the merit of these options, as well as any other ideas that might help me to remedy my standing issues.
Possible Solutions and Questions: 1.Running missions for Interbus until my Amarr or Caldari standing is high enough to allow me to accept missions from their corporations. (I know which agent I would be using, and this seems a slow but viable option). 2.Handing in tags to DED agents. If I go this route I have a few questions I hope someone can answer: 1) is there a required faction standing to be able to accept the tag missions from DED agents, if so, does anyone know what it is? I understand this option is expensive, but isk is not a primary concern at this point. 3.Doing a lot of ratting. If I choose to go with this option, where is the best place to rat to improve Caldari faction standing?
Thanks in advance for any constructive feedback you may offer!
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:29:00 -
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hey hey
1) another option is to run for Khanid
2) those agents give standings to faction as trade based storylines and because you cant access the friendly agents then this isnt an option for you. you trade the tags for friendly factions for a boost and you will only be able to do that once your caldari/amarr is pretty much near neutral for the L1 agent anyway.
3) afaik this cant be done. you cant Kill for positive faction gains and will only get a negative faction hit for killing a faction npc.
back to option 1 .. . you should look at any faction that you can assess thats friendly to amarr or caldari. then keep checking your standings till you can access more friendly factions.
Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:29:00 -
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1. Won't work because interbus doesn't give storylines 2. Won't work because datacenter agents still require some standings 3. Won't work because ratting doesn't improve faction standings. Basically if you can't run missions for anyone friendly to those factons you're shafted. For caldari-amarr group friendlies are ammatar, khanid and Mordu's legion _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
Tiziana Zilpah
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:32:00 -
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None of those work. Interbus has no storyline agents, you need standing to use those agents to hand in tags, and lastly you only ever get CONCORD standing (i.e. security status) from killing rats. Not knowing your standings I'd guess you can (or can after training up Diplomacy to V at worst) use Khanid Kingdom agents. Storylines for them will allow you to get into good standings with Amarr/Caldari again.
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Servela
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:45:00 -
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Thanks for the constructive responses. I don't have the standings in front of me, as I am at work...but I will check what Khanid looks like and see if I can work something out with them.
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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:53:00 -
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If you are looking for a service provider to sort out your standings please contact me ingame.
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Traska Gannel
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Posted - 2009.08.24 15:05:00 -
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It hasn't been mentioned yet but perhaps you have considered it already:
Train your "Diplomacy" skill to 5. This will help significantly if you haven't trained it up already.
In future, avoid taking missions that have empire faction enemies in them. Storyline missions will still give derived faction adjustments but these are capped at the national relationship limit. The only way to get a worse standing is to actually destroy ships belonging to that faction.
The derived standings table can be found here: http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/faction_standings.shtml
You need to find a faction for which you can run missions which gives positive Caldari and Amarr standings. You might be able to try Khanid kingdom or Mordu's Legion Command depending on whose ships you were mostly blowing up and which storyline's you did more frequently. Khanid is capped at a -2 derived standing to Gallente and Mordu's is a -2 derived standing to Minmatar. If you add in diplomacy you should be able to run missions for one of these so long as you did not blow up too many of their ships.
Also, The Society - if it has any agents or storylines - has a positive Caldari standing so you might be able to raise Caldari enough to run start running Caldari missions and then Amarr missions via derived standings but that would be a long route to take.
Good luck!
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.24 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Imiarr Timshae If you are looking for a service provider to sort out your standings please contact me ingame.
if you have found some kind of magical faction standings gain them please for the love of all things PVE post it
if you cant correct his FACTION standings for him then . . . . . .
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Joe Starbreaker
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:25:00 -
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Amarr/Caldari are easy. You can run missions for Khanid Kingdom, Ammatar Mandate, and Mordu's Legion.
If you screw up standings with Minmatar/Gallente it's much tougher. The only ones who can help you are ORE and Sisters of EVE, neither of which have a good supply of kill mission agents in highsec like the Ammatar and Khanid do.
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.24 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Amarr/Caldari are easy. You can run missions for Khanid Kingdom, Ammatar Mandate, and Mordu's Legion..
im completly fuggered and on SISI i tested out what my route back would be. as ive been about for a while my ammatar is screwed as minmatar/gallente also upsets ammatar :/
Khanid > Ammatar > Caldari > Amarr
i discovered a couple of problems though. . . Khanid is a pain in the ass to get to and you have to watch how you get there if your going through Genesis and once your there you need to keep an eye where the missions take you. its similar with Ammatar but at least it borders on minmatar space so its much more livable if your comming down from heimater.
also it would be exceptionally painfull even with diplo V and decent social skills. while fun to blitz the level 1 khanid/ammatar missions the time to get storyline missions might eventually crush your spirit. level 1 missions dont give great payouts for faction gains and the derived gain is worse. remember that the gains come off your base faction standing. you need to watch the f10 map and continually check for the next best agent available so you can move up the ladder faster. id recomend fleeting for better corp standings so at least you can move up the agent ladder slightly faster.
you also get given missions directly against Minmatar ships so protecting your standing to friendly factions will be much harder. you take negative gains ALOT faster than the positive ones.
tbh i still firmly believe that being hostile to 2 factions or friendly to all have no real difference on gameplay and BOTH styles have little impact on life in new eden.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.08.25 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
i discovered a couple of problems though. . . Khanid is a pain in the ass to get to and you have to watch how you get there if your going through Genesis and once your there you need to keep an eye where the missions take you. its similar with Ammatar but at least it borders on minmatar space so its much more livable if your comming down from heimater.
Khanid's main problem is the lack of good L4 Agents in high sec. You're probably better off running their level 3's.
Khanid does have some decent low sec mission hubs but I found pirate activity (like station camping) too high for it to be worthwhile to run them.
Originally by: Mikal Drey
also it would be exceptionally painfull even with diplo V and decent social skills. while fun to blitz the level 1 khanid/ammatar missions the time to get storyline missions might eventually crush your spirit.
I didn't find the climb up to level 4 rep with Khanid to be that bad. However getting half a dozen or more material for war preparations in a row meant that the actual grind once I got there was very tedious.
Originally by: Mikal Drey
you also get given missions directly against Minmatar ships so protecting your standing to friendly factions will be much harder. you take negative gains ALOT faster than the positive ones.
Decline missions against Empire factions? I really didn't find this to be too much of an issue when I did it. It was a bit of a pain switching agents when blocked by the 4 hour wait but that only happened a couple of times.
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Venko Trenulo
Spelunkers
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Posted - 2009.08.25 03:07:00 -
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+1 on the Mordu's Legion, Khanid and Ammatar mandate if you have enough standing to run them.
If not, I think your only course is to get a friend to share appropriate storyline missions with you.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2009.08.25 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Venko Trenulo If not, I think your only course is to get a friend to share appropriate storyline missions with you.
This doesn't work - faction standing gains cannot be shared.
...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.08.25 04:02:00 -
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If training Diplomacy can get your modified standing to above -2.0 with any of the mentioned factions, then it's possible to climb out of the hole. If they are all too low (I think -5.00 natural is the point of no return) then there's no way to currently do it. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Venko Trenulo
Spelunkers
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Posted - 2009.08.25 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes
Originally by: Venko Trenulo If not, I think your only course is to get a friend to share appropriate storyline missions with you.
This doesn't work - faction standing gains cannot be shared.
I stand corrected. How about this?
Get a friend to share missions for a useful corp until your *corp* standings are high enough that you can run missions for them... then you can get your own storylines through that corp.
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my brute
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Posted - 2009.08.25 07:02:00 -
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Heres an easy workaround for screwed standings:
1. Get an alt without screwed standings 2. Fleet with your alt 3. Run missions on the alt 4. Turn in all missions and "share with fleet" 5. ??? 6. Profit!!!
You should be able to grind up enough standing to use any given agent within a couple of days and from there you can just run missions for that agent as normal. Storyline missions will un-**** your faction standing eventually.
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: my brute Heres an easy workaround for screwed standings:
1. Get an alt without screwed standings 2. Fleet with your alt 3. Run missions on the alt 4. Turn in all missions and "share with fleet" 5. ??? 6. Profit!!!
You should be able to grind up enough standing to use any given agent within a couple of days and from there you can just run missions for that agent as normal. Storyline missions will un-**** your faction standing eventually.
Yes but if you have a faction satnding < -2.0 the agent hates you no matter what agent/corp standing may be. So no Amarr/Caldari for him. Khanid/Ammatar is the best route for him
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Jarne
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2009.08.25 09:54:00 -
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Join the Amarr or Caldari militia by joining a militia corp that has good enough standing such that your bad standing will not ruin the corp's average (i.e., bring it below the required standing).
Then do missions for the militia or run complexes. When your standing reaches a new integer (like 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 etc.), you will advance one rank in the militia and also gain faction standing as a side effect.
You can also join the other allied militia after that the same way and do it all over again.
Most difficult thing will probably be finding such corps... - Success=Achievements/Expectations
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Gontarski
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.08.25 11:37:00 -
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I have the same problem as OP, -5.76 Amarr faction standing. I can't get to Khanid space since I have to travel through Amarr space. Now I just went to Ammatar space and am just in time there (-0.7 standing) to get a lvl1 -18 or so agent... Anybody have a clue about how long it would take me to get my Amarr standing to -4.99?
And the diplomacy skill, if I train it to lvl 3 I would have an effective agent standing to Ammatar agents of -0.7 + 1.2 = +0.5 right? Or does it work differently?
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Reldonas
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Posted - 2009.08.25 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Reldonas on 25/08/2009 14:16:14 UPDATE:
I am in the Khanid area starting to grind lvl 1s. I had -1.78 with Khanid. I will grind until Caldari is above -2 then I am off to Caldari.
I would like to thank everyone who helped to identify and plan this course of action. I couldn't have done it without the help.
Edit: Training Social 5 now and Diplo 5 to help.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.08.25 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gontarski I have the same problem as OP, -5.76 Amarr faction standing. I can't get to Khanid space since I have to travel through Amarr space. Now I just went to Ammatar space and am just in time there (-0.7 standing) to get a lvl1 -18 or so agent... Anybody have a clue about how long it would take me to get my Amarr standing to -4.99?
And the diplomacy skill, if I train it to lvl 3 I would have an effective agent standing to Ammatar agents of -0.7 + 1.2 = +0.5 right? Or does it work differently?
Each level of Diplomacy actually gives you 4% of the difference between your current standing and the maximum, providing your standing is below 0. Max is 10, so Dip III would give you 12% of 10.7, or an increase of 1.28 points, making your modified standing a 0.58 with them. Once you get above zero Connections takes over and works the same way. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Mouthy Misses
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Mouthy Misses on 25/08/2009 20:41:27 Edited by: Mouthy Misses on 25/08/2009 20:40:49 i am in a similar predicament to you. i was -9.86 with amarr.
i trained diplomacy to lvl 5 which just managed to get me back under -5.00 (no kill on sight) i have been running missions for khanid, ever 12 (i think) missions for the khanid i was offered a story mission, it was only a lvl 1 set of missions i was running. after each story mission my standing with amarr was going up, but only by 0.01 so if you are taking this route i suggest u get to lvl 2 or 3 as quick as possible as lvl 2/3 story missions will improve standing quicker than lvl 1. oh and have a shed load of free time.
i am currently up to about -4.92 after a few missions. but as you said you know this will take lots of time.
****p.s this is wrong charactor proper one is cannonfodder82****
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DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.08.26 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mouthy Misses Edited by: Mouthy Misses on 25/08/2009 20:41:27 Edited by: Mouthy Misses on 25/08/2009 20:40:49 i am in a similar predicament to you. i was -9.86 with amarr.
i trained diplomacy to lvl 5 which just managed to get me back under -5.00 (no kill on sight) i have been running missions for khanid, ever 12 (i think) missions for the khanid i was offered a story mission, it was only a lvl 1 set of missions i was running. after each story mission my standing with amarr was going up, but only by 0.01 so if you are taking this route i suggest u get to lvl 2 or 3 as quick as possible as lvl 2/3 story missions will improve standing quicker than lvl 1. oh and have a shed load of free time.
i am currently up to about -4.92 after a few missions. but as you said you know this will take lots of time.
****p.s this is wrong charactor proper one is cannonfodder82****
That sounds about right. If you're looking for serious change, the level 4 / 5 story missions will really change your grade by quite a bit (like, +1.0 standing a piece, if not more). The best way to get in touch with those agents is, as many have said before in this thread, to get a friend to grind standings with you like crazy for a corporation.
What I've personally done is grinded up standings with one or two corporations of each faction so that, in the event my factions do dip too low for my liking, I'll have a set of agents to turn to.
Also, do use eve-agents.com to find Amarr agents in systems you can safely operate in. There's quite a few Amarr agents in Gallente and even Minmatar space!
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Gontarski
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.08.26 09:05:00 -
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Ok I was doing lvl1/2 missions for Ammatar Consulate yesterday and got my Amarr standing by blitzing to -5.27
After training diplomacy to lvl1 it jumped from -5.27 to -4.62
But the description of the diplomacy skill suggests it's only effective on hostile agents and not like said in this thread on faction/corporation/agents and thats the way it also functions by expiriencing it myself now.
Description of skill: Skill at interacting with hostile Agents. 0.4 Bonus per level to effective standing towards hostile Agents. Not cumulative with Connections or Criminal Connections
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Vhiskey
Caldari Imperial Forces
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Posted - 2009.08.26 09:08:00 -
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hostile = negative standing
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