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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:43:00 -
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Isn't all of 0.0 sov holders blue to each other right now? Join one of them and you will be safe. Makes the game total carebear, but I'm not the producer at CCP so suck it up.
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Achiles625
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Posted - 2009.08.28 02:36:00 -
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I've seen alot of responses like some of the ones I've seen in here. I've played a few MMOs and across the boardganking/griefing remains unpopular with the majority of players yet whenever it is complained about you get the same, quite frankly assanine responses, like "Adapt" "It makes you tougher" "Don't be such a *****". This is quite frankly ******ed and self centered. You ARE having fun at MY expense. I love organized PvP. I love getting together in team and bashing it out with the opposing side. The thrill of desperate individual duels between two foes at war. However getting killed while farming quest items by some jumping jackass 10 levels higher than me that dances on my corpse isn't fun. It also in NO way proves his superiority. You aren't better than because you caught me by surprise and killed me with your T2 ship. If I surprise a heavyweight boxing champ and whack him on the head with a crowbar and beat him while he is on the ground it doesn't mean I'm somehow a better fighter. Also telling him to "be more aware" doesn"t abrogate the jackassery nature of my act. There's reasons these kinds of things aren't kewl in RL and they are similar reasons why it isn't kewl in game life. Ok rant over.
I must clarify my suggestion as people seem to have misunderstood. Specifically I am suggesting that Alliances be able to contract Concord to kill anyone in a specified system that attacks anyone else without a wardec. One problem I have heard about is the difficulty alliances sometimes have with getting stuff to and from empire space. I am hoping that this might be able to entice carebear traders to come to 0.0 space and conduct business and setup shop. Red players wouldn't get auto shot. Players that are at war wouldn't get shot. Concord would not protect the system owner from their enemies. You would need some way to allow a sieging force to maintain a blockade against neutrals running supplies. Probably once a system is contested all Concord activities stop until control is restored and if sov drops the Concord goes away unless the new owner renews the contract.
It's true though I am suggesting a solution to a problem I have no first hand experience with. However I have heard alot of discussion about this problem. That's why I am suggesting this and even more importantly suggesting it here. I am hoping the people that really know the situation can CONSTRUCTIVELY evaluate this idea.
Thank you all for your responses.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.08.28 03:28:00 -
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No wardec mechanics should ever be introduced to 0.0 space. The point of 0.0 space is that there are no NPC enforced limitations on pilot actions.
No 0.0 pilot should ever be restricted from attacking or defending any other ship, any time, for any reason. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Hrodgar Ortal
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Posted - 2009.08.28 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour Isn't all of 0.0 sov holders blue to each other right now? Join one of them and you will be safe. Makes the game total carebear, but I'm not the producer at CCP so suck it up.
No. Most of them are neutral but aren't engaging in the horrible mechanic that is pos warfare. Quite a bit of difference.
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Sister Megarea
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Posted - 2009.08.28 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Achiles625 I've seen alot of responses like some of the ones I've seen in here. I've played a few MMOs and across the boardganking/griefing remains unpopular with the majority of players yet whenever it is complained about you get the same, quite frankly assanine responses, like "Adapt" "It makes you tougher" "Don't be such a *****". This is quite frankly ******ed and self centered. You ARE having fun at MY expense. [snip] However getting killed while farming quest items by some jumping jackass 10 levels higher than me that dances on my corpse isn't fun. It also in NO way proves his superiority. You aren't better than because you caught me by surprise and killed me with your T2 ship. If I surprise a heavyweight boxing champ and whack him on the head with a crowbar and beat him while he is on the ground it doesn't mean I'm somehow a better fighter. Also telling him to "be more aware" doesn"t abrogate the jackassery nature of my act. There's reasons these kinds of things aren't kewl in RL and they are similar reasons why it isn't kewl in game life. Ok rant over. [snip]
First and foremost, this isn't a put-down to your post: I agree that it's jackassery of the first degree and frankly, shows nothing more than the sheer immaturity and punkingshness of people using a heavy interdictor to gank a Badger I as it undocks from a station. It's not "fun", it doesn't show skill or l337n355 or whatever. Kids like that do it for the sheer thrill of seeing their names on the killboards. (In the advertising industry, we simply call it the 'name in lights' theory and use it to great effect in a great many forms of interaction on customer sites. This forum, for example...)
All that being said, however: One of the keys of success in any game is suspension of disbelief. If a player, in their 90,000 hp Uber-N0ob-Ki113r, targets a Gallente Shuttle with their Heavy Blasters of Star Destroying and a 'magical force' stops them from doing it because it is morally wrong... That just defies belief.
In your example above, you use hitting a heavy weight fighter with a crowbar in from the rear. Does it prove you're a better fighter ? Nope. Could you do it today ? Absolutely. You could walk up behind Mike Tyson with a crowbar, 2X4 or a telephone pole and knock him into next Tuesday. You might even get away with it, if there are no witnesses and you knocked him right out. (And you'd better hope you knocked him out in the first hit :) )
In fact, if one were to take a look at future expansion of the human race into space, many of what we see in Eve (at least insofar as politics and law enforcement) will probably be true. The first thing anyone will tell you about space: "Space is big. Really, really big. Mind-burstingly big. There are two things the human mind absolutely cannot fully comprehend: Infinity and absolute nothingness. Space is both of these things."
Take our solar system, for example. Let's say you're in a shuttle, mining the far side of Europa for ice. Some dude pops up and takes pot shots at your ship or steals the H2O you've mined, then jets off to the asteroid belt or simply lands on Ceres. How would you even *find* him ? (Depending on the orbits, that's ~550 million km from one moon to the other).
I don't *like* the dumb arses who gank and what-not, but taking them out of the game - I dunno, man, it just wouldn't strike me as real.
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Flying ZombieJesus
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Posted - 2009.08.28 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Flying ZombieJesus on 28/08/2009 11:53:58 Wow. I like eve, I really do.
I've played for about 2 years now, including a long period of inactivity. I came back to this game, and am glad I did. A few months back I moved out to 0.0 and have really enjoyed myself.
I've lost about a dozen ships now, along with some expensive (for me) implants. Most of the ships I've lost haven't been in 1v1's (because no one honours those), or in fleet battles - its when I wander into a gatecamp on my way home or scouting.
Its pretty irritating to be instantly popped in my fancy ship - cant burn past the bubble fast enough, gate is too far behind me - and replacing those ships is starting to get costly, each one of them, after fittings, costs about 40mil.
However, I have never read a proposal that made me want to hurl my monitor at someone more than the ideas in this thread.
The reason people live in 0.0 and not hisec is - no security. Some people like shooting other people. I've killed dozens of people when its been a 6v1 fight. They knew the risks of flying alone, just as I did. If they did it with something thats not fast enough to escape a bubble and not strong enough to burn back to the gate then thats their fault, and hopefully they'll learn.
CONCORD can gtfo 0.0, along with anyone who wants to turn it into a 'press x to duel' environment.
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Lifelongnoob
Caldari Final Conflict UK
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Posted - 2009.08.28 13:19:00 -
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lol if your a member of the goonswarm nap fest u will probably find 0.0 safer than high sec... but then 0.0 is boring that way.
hell even if your not in goonswarm's nap fest 0.0 is still relatively safe u just need to keep your wits about ya and not go afk unless your cloaked in a safe spot or in a pos bubble.
traveling from system to system is risky but if your smart enough u shouldnt get killed all that often... i lived out in ER/Insmother for almost 4 months without returning to highsec and i loved it out there.
but if you grow some balls and get out there 0.0 u will realise this.
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Tiiron
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Posted - 2009.08.28 13:34:00 -
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By no means am I an elite 0.0 player but having been in one or two nullsec corps, it occurs to me that the best way to get people down to 0.0 is to advertise your alliance, organise things to a point where corps/players that want to join you can come along, join the fun and feel like the powers that be have a plan and don't just sit around talking or setting up gate camps for neuts that never come.
Put it out there, tell people what kind of things you do, how much fun you have and what your goals are. They will be down in droves... especially if you give them a way to make an isk or two while down there.
For me I hang around in wormhole space most of them time, as my corp keeps away from nullsec politics after our recent experiences. That could be it too... alot of people are put off by the politics of nullsec.
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swordmaster125
Caldari R.E.V.O.L.T Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.29 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Elemental Edited by: Mr Elemental on 27/08/2009 11:17:50
Originally by: Sig Sour Eve is a PVP game.
Not if 50% of players NEVER leaves hi-sec. Then there a few % that left hi-sec once or twice and came running back. If this is true, and i saw that multiple times already, then EvE is not PvP game, but PvE.
If 50% of people never roams out of hi-sec, something is clearly wrong wih low-sec, 0.0. isn't it?
Wrong.
It means the average highsec dweller is a massive *****.
very little is wrong with 0.0 atm, if anything the abundance of carebears in major alliances resulting in naptrains is whats wrong with lowsec and 0.0
losing a ship isnt the end of the world, get over it then we can all have more fun |
Rawbin Hood
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.29 23:55:00 -
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0.0 is much safer imo the emp, empire gives you a false sence of security.
i feel bad for the people that grow up in 0.0 and then go to emp, they think concord is a mean bunch of carebear pirates (jk)
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Kiran
Minmatar BETA Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.30 17:13:00 -
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0.0 is prety empty most of the time. you just got to watch local and know who's stomping ground your flying in. Make safe spots and always fly with a cloak if your solo ratting.
Also never fly more ISK than you are willing to loose. Because you will loose it eventualy.
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