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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.08.27 12:20:00 -
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I figured I'd pass this link on to you guys in the event you're hedging on 10.6. I'm looking forward to my MacBook Pro running more efficiently :)
Before anyone asks... no, I don't know if there are plans to take advantage of SL's features.
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Neramore
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Posted - 2009.08.27 13:50:00 -
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I think I'll jump to the conclusion that EVE will not only work under 10.6, but will be officially supported, based on that post :) "Actually, I enjoy this in the same vague, horrible way I enjoy watching the A-Team." - P. Opus |
Cheekything
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.08.28 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout I figured I'd pass this link on to you guys in the event you're hedging on 10.6. I'm looking forward to my MacBook Pro running more efficiently :)
Before anyone asks... no, I don't know if there are plans to take advantage of SL's features.
Ditto I was seeing 30$ and thought why not it's cheap and the software works better :D
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Camino Nachtmeister
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Posted - 2009.08.29 06:33:00 -
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thank You for this link :D
filled with "lust provoking" comments. I like especially the part with the "most emphatic middle-finger"....
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Unknown Killatron
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Posted - 2009.08.29 09:45:00 -
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i can report that SL works beautifully supporting 3 clients simultaneously on my mac pro. It actually helped with a lag i was getting this past week where if i ran 3 clients it would not register the keyboard when i would click between each client.
finally i can say my 8 gigs of ram are worth a damn..
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ark maphar
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Posted - 2009.08.30 14:41:00 -
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i just got snow leopard for my macbook, and it actually seems that eve is running SLOWER then usual.....any thoughts?
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Charlemeign
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Posted - 2009.08.30 19:57:00 -
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20-30 FPS, was 40+ on Leopard. Random Red Flashes on Screen (doesn't matter where I am).. Random Freezes & Crashes of Eve..
Only *problems* found so far..
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Apple Boy
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.31 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: Apple Boy on 31/08/2009 06:10:09 personal opinion, SL is awesome. programs are running faster and I'm definitely going to be learning how to program with GCD. My only gripe is you currently can't switch stacks back to the old way. As for eve, it has definitely started to cause more crashes
Also, the crash reporter fails miserably, never finishes submitting and just hangs until you tell it to quit.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: ark maphar i just got snow leopard for my macbook, and it actually seems that eve is running SLOWER then usual.....any thoughts?
I'm not sure how, but Apple seems to have managed to put a significant dent in OpenGL performance. On low-end GPUs like what's in the Macbook, that's probably what you're seeing. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.31 20:36:00 -
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My copy should be on my door-step any day now
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ark maphar
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Posted - 2009.08.31 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: ark maphar i just got snow leopard for my macbook, and it actually seems that eve is running SLOWER then usual.....any thoughts?
I'm not sure how, but Apple seems to have managed to put a significant dent in OpenGL performance. On low-end GPUs like what's in the Macbook, that's probably what you're seeing.
awww, i hope they manage to do something about it
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Parabasti Venclour
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Posted - 2009.08.31 23:39:00 -
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As an owner of five macs - iMac 24" x 2 (latest versions with the Nvidia GT130's), mac mini, Macbook Pro x 2 (latest release and previous release) I was hoping to play EVE on the Mac, but it's honestly just so much nicer running under WindowsXP via Bootcamp right now.
I use a program called Synergy to share a single mouse and keyboard between both the iMacs so I can watch two screens at once and have a dedicated OS and gfx card for each.
I've also never managed to get EVE on Mac to do decent AA and AF, which seems to be a problem with a lot of ports. Warhammer Online also looked fairly lame on the Mac client, for the two hours I had it installed.
Last point on the Mac side is that when I run it on 10.5 on an MBP (Nvidia 9600M GT) the machine just heats up like crazy ... more so then any other activity.
The best xmas present for me would be a much better Native EVE client, but then we aren't exactly the big slice of the customer pie.
PS - 10.6 was the most painless install ever, for the record.
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.09.01 08:21:00 -
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I've not yet checked out EVE, but I'm really impressed with this OS. It freed up 30 gigs of HD space, and just seems to run so much more smoothly. Very happy.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Verite Rendition on 01/09/2009 15:49:14
Originally by: CCP Fallout I've not yet checked out EVE, but I'm really impressed with this OS. It freed up 30 gigs of HD space, and just seems to run so much more smoothly. Very happy.
Bear in mind that Apple switched to Base 10 from Base 2 for calculating drive size, so some (if not most) of that space is really space you already had that was just counted differently. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.09.01 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition Edited by: Verite Rendition on 01/09/2009 15:49:14
Originally by: CCP Fallout I've not yet checked out EVE, but I'm really impressed with this OS. It freed up 30 gigs of HD space, and just seems to run so much more smoothly. Very happy.
Bear in mind that Apple switched to Base 10 from Base 2 for calculating drive size, so some (if not most) of that space is really space you already had that was just counted differently.
Wha? Where did you get that from?
Nothings changed in there filesysetem structure AFAIK.
I do know they cut out the PPC code which is about 30 GB's plus or minus worth of stuff.
The HD size's have not changed on the installations I've seen. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Hagis McBree
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.01 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Verite Rendition Edited by: Verite Rendition on 01/09/2009 15:49:14
Originally by: CCP Fallout I've not yet checked out EVE, but I'm really impressed with this OS. It freed up 30 gigs of HD space, and just seems to run so much more smoothly. Very happy.
Bear in mind that Apple switched to Base 10 from Base 2 for calculating drive size, so some (if not most) of that space is really space you already had that was just counted differently.
Wha? Where did you get that from?
Nothings changed in there filesysetem structure AFAIK.
I do know they cut out the PPC code which is about 30 GB's plus or minus worth of stuff.
The HD size's have not changed on the installations I've seen.
let see.. http://lifehacker.com/5349204/snow-leopard-reports-hard-drive-capacity-correctly-in-base-10 http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20090828002847714 and a quick google search http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=snow+leopard+drive+size&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Originally by: CCP Fallout Can you upgrade your OS X to Leopard? We don't actually provide support for Tiger.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.09.01 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 01/09/2009 22:34:25
Quote: Resolution Understanding storage drive capacity in Mac OS X v10.0 through 10.5 Storage drive manufacturers measure storage drive capacity using the decimal system (base 10), so 1 gigabyte (GB) is calculated as exactly 1,000,000,000 bytes. The capacity of the storage drive in your Mac, iPod, iPhone and other Apple hardware is measured using the decimal system. We set this out on our product packaging and on our website through the statement "1 GB = 1 billion bytes." Operating systems, including the operating system on your Mac, iPod, iPhone, or other electronic devices, use the binary system (base 2) of measurement. In binary, 1 GB is calculated as 1,073,741,824 bytes. This difference in how the decimal and binary numeral systems measure a GB is what causes a 4 GB storage drive to appear as 3.7 GB when detailed by an operating system, even though the storage drive still has 4 billion bytes, as reported. You will see this difference if you look at how your computer summarizes the capacity of the computerÆs storage drive or of your iPodÆs or iPhoneÆs storage drive when the device is connected to your computer. You will also see this difference in the "About" menu on your iPod or iPhone. The important point to understand is that the available storage capacity is the same no matter which system is used. Nothing is missing. The storage drive in your Apple product, like all storage drives, uses some capacity for formatting, so actual capacity available for applications will be less. In addition, other factors, such as pre-installed systems or other software and media, will also use part of the available storage capacity on the drive. Understanding storage drive capacity in Mac OS X v10.6 and later In Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard, storage capacity is displayed as per product specifications (base 10). A 200 GB drive show 200 GB capacity (for example, if you select the hard drive's icon and choose Get Info from the Finder's File menu, then look at the Capacity line). This means that, for example, if you upgrade from an earlier version of Mac OS X, your drive may show more capacity than in the earlier Mac OS X version. The storage drive in your Apple product, like all storage drives, uses some capacity for formatting, so actual storage available for applications will be less. In addition, other factors, such as pre-installed systems or other software and media, will also use part of the available storage capacity on the drive.
-Apple KB
So as I said before... NOTHING has changed in the file system... the size is calculated to a different amount but its still the same drive same size same space.
And in reality... a whole lot of nothing to worry about unless your picky over a few megabytes... its only a problem if your talking about a large amount of space over all.
And they did "Trim the fat" that's a verifiable fact for sure.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
So as I said before... NOTHING has changed in the file system... the size is calculated to a different amount but its still the same drive same size same space.
And in reality... a whole lot of nothing to worry about unless your picky over a few megabytes... its only a problem if your talking about a large amount of space over all.
I'd call that a notable change. Anyhow, the point is some of the free space he's seeing is a product of SL using base 10, rather than base 2. SL will count roughly 7% more free space than Leopard does (when we're measuring gigabytes) due to this change. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Swearte Widfarend
Gallente Aurora Security Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.02 20:17:00 -
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For a decent technical review of Mac OS Ten, Snow Leopard try the Ars Technica article.
The short answer to OpenGL improvements has to do with Grand Central Dispatch and LLVM, I believe. In fact, as I recall from the linked article, that is discussed as an improvement due to those tools.
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.02 20:44:00 -
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lets take a look at this thread. Originally by: Verite Rendition Edited by: Verite Rendition on 01/09/2009 15:49:14
Originally by: CCP Fallout I've not yet checked out EVE, but I'm really impressed with this OS. It freed up 30 gigs of HD space, and just seems to run so much more smoothly. Very happy.
Bear in mind that Apple switched to Base 10 from Base 2 for calculating drive size, so some (if not most) of that space is really space you already had that was just counted differently.
Verite states that some of the space could be space he already had due to the fact Apple switched from base 2 to base 10 to determan drive space..
quote=Drake Draconis Wha? Where did you get that from?
Nothings changed in there filesysetem structure AFAIK.
I do know they cut out the PPC code which is about 30 GB's plus or minus worth of stuff.
The HD size's have not changed on the installations I've seen.
Drake calling BS...
I then point him to a few articals stating that Apple switched to base 10 backing up Verite
Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 01/09/2009 22:34:25
Quote: Apple KB article stating the switch to base 10
-Apple KB
So as I said before... NOTHING has changed in the file system... the size is calculated to a different amount but its still the same drive same size same space.
And in reality... a whole lot of nothing to worry about unless your picky over a few megabytes... its only a problem if your talking about a large amount of space over all.
And they did "Trim the fat" that's a verifiable fact for sure.
Drake post the KB article stating the switched and then again said nothing changed.. WOW, just WOW..
Originally by: CCP Fallout Can you upgrade your OS X to Leopard? We don't actually provide support for Tiger.
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Igaze
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.02 21:39:00 -
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I love it when people talk past each other
Hagis: Drake is saying Apple did not change anything about the file system except the manner in which they count bytes in a GB. He is correct in saying this has no impact on the actual amount of space available on a drive. While Leopard has 1 GB equal to 1,073,741,824 bytes, Snow Leopard has 1 GB equal to 1,000,000,000 bytes. This has no impact on the actual number of bytes on the disk.
What it does do is bring OS X's reported GB in line with the hard drive manufacturer's reported GB.
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.03 00:28:00 -
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Drake calling BS to the the change to base 10 that Verite posted she never said any thing in the filesystem changed just the math.
Originally by: CCP Fallout Can you upgrade your OS X to Leopard? We don't actually provide support for Tiger.
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.09.03 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Igaze I love it when people talk past each other
Hagis: Drake is saying Apple did not change anything about the file system except the manner in which they count bytes in a GB. He is correct in saying this has no impact on the actual amount of space available on a drive. While Leopard has 1 GB equal to 1,073,741,824 bytes, Snow Leopard has 1 GB equal to 1,000,000,000 bytes. This has no impact on the actual number of bytes on the disk.
What it does do is bring OS X's reported GB in line with the hard drive manufacturer's reported GB.
yep. At the same time, lay people will have a better feel for size with Macs now. For example, when I bought my 160 gig iPod, my friend asked me why I needed so much space. I told her it really wasn't 160 gigs available, that that's a number rounded up. When her eyes started glazing over and she looked confused, I gave it up.
Now I can say to her: I have 115 free gigs on my MBP, I don't have to say that's not really the number.
At the same time, kilobit = 1000 (kilo = 1000... an American with some metric knowledg!). a kibibit = 1024 :)
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:12:00 -
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OMG I would give up my left nut to switch the US to metric... way back in the 70's we were told it was just around the bend, and now nothing you still have to remember that 1 mile = 1760 yards = 5280 feet = 63360 inches.. what a PITA.
Originally by: CCP Fallout Can you upgrade your OS X to Leopard? We don't actually provide support for Tiger.
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Athena Tarsis
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2009.09.03 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition Edited by: Verite Rendition on 01/09/2009 15:49:14
Originally by: CCP Fallout I've not yet checked out EVE, but I'm really impressed with this OS. It freed up 30 gigs of HD space, and just seems to run so much more smoothly. Very happy.
Bear in mind that Apple switched to Base 10 from Base 2 for calculating drive size, so some (if not most) of that space is really space you already had that was just counted differently.
Snow Leopard is also now Intel only. A lot of space can be freed up by no longer having to worry about universal binaries in the OS.
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Apple Boy
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.03 20:53:00 -
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That Ars Technica was very interesting. My $.02 from using it for a while now, OpenGL performance has definitely regressed. I've been having issues in eve online with it randomly freezing up for 10-15 seconds, such as when jumping through gates, and in other games like UT2k4 performance has gotten worse. Hopefully they fix that soon. For updating, that had to be the most painless upgrade ever. Put the disk in, hit install or upgrade or whatever it said, come back 45 minutes later, done . There were a few other things I would mention but they're all covered in that Ars Technica article.
In regards to eve performance, besides the freeze ups, opengl performance regression, and some random crashes that I can't really reproduce, the gamma change has made using eve a bit harder too. For example, in creating a contract. If you change the color scheme you use you can tell the colors apart a bit better though. I've been in one medium sized fleet fight (60v100) and FPS was horrible, 4 FPS vs 16 before I upgraded.
If you're debating about upgrading still, my suggestion would be to wait a bit. There aren't any major new features, currently nothing besides apple's software takes advantage of the changes so far, and it hurts performance enough in games that it's not quite worth it yet. Give it a few months for updates to roll out and people to release new versions of their software.
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Apple Boy That Ars Technica was very interesting. My $.02 from using it for a while now, OpenGL performance has definitely regressed. I've been having issues in eve online with it randomly freezing up for 10-15 seconds, such as when jumping through gates, and in other games like UT2k4 performance has gotten worse. Hopefully they fix that soon. For updating, that had to be the most painless upgrade ever. Put the disk in, hit install or upgrade or whatever it said, come back 45 minutes later, done . There were a few other things I would mention but they're all covered in that Ars Technica article.
Unless OpenCL is calle for in a program it will not be used. As far as Eve and UT2k4, it is not called so it isn't OpenCL at fault, nor it is GrandCentral Station, because again it is not used. From testing the freezing is due to some wireless networking drivers, I reported that in beta and from what I'v read, there is a fix in the 10.6.1 appleseed.
Originally by: CCP Fallout Can you upgrade your OS X to Leopard? We don't actually provide support for Tiger.
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Apple Boy
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.04 04:31:00 -
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I said opengl, not opencl, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macosx_106_benchmarks&num=4 opengl got worse
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Fossil Wolf
omen. Gay4Life
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Posted - 2009.09.04 12:41:00 -
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Spaces in SL seems different. I've found if you go in and out of a space quickly (using mouse button) it breaks and all the windows come into your current space :[
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Plaxnobravnitz
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Posted - 2009.09.05 12:34:00 -
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Installed Snow Leopard today. Pleased to report no major issues. Did not crash in long gaming session where I might expect to crash perhaps once before. Did see the aforementioned "red flash" perhaps 2x where it had gone unnoticed before. Overall I am quite pleased . . . So far
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Cheekything
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:20:00 -
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Works smoothly , Only wish that eve was at 120fps :3
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2009.10.03 13:42:00 -
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Might be a necro but: I installed Snow Leopard about a week ago and since then I have a lot of problems with Eve. I click the program, I get the apocrypha splash screen and BOOM crash. Crash reporter hangs So I quit the crash reporter from the dock, click again, splash screen comes up, screen turns white and stays that way. I cannot get to another program or force quit since the mac freezes and doesn't seem to do anything else but let me move my cursor and turn caps lock on and off (little habit of mine to see if the system froze or not). Only thing I can do is turn the macbook (pro) off and on again, and then usually it works. Overal performance is good enough. Anyone else experiencing this?
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Atraxerxes
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.10.06 03:39:00 -
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In EVE terms it shoudl officially be called "SLOW LEOPARD".
Just installed a few days ago, my Mac ran fine, but have had some weird lag issues in EVE, especially when dual boxing.
SO I reinstalled plain Leopard and I now remember why I don't like reinstalling a previous OS. Can you say "sorting through the previous systems folder suck"?
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DreadedHunter
ANZAC ALLIANCE Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.10.06 09:09:00 -
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Upgraded about a week of snow leopard going public in Aus. Since then I get about 2-3 screen hangs each night as I jump through gates... pretty frustrating :\
Spec:
iMac 24" 3.06Ghz Core 2 Duo 4Gb 800Mhz DDR2 OSX 10.6.1
Had second screen attached, normally dual screen eve but have had countless hangs solo.
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Strom Bringar
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Posted - 2009.11.11 12:59:00 -
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My 2ct to this matter: EVE ran perfectly on my late-2006 MacbookPro, even now with SL. It also runs perfectly on my brand-new MacBook Pro (mid 2009) with SL, looks much better on the new matte screen but...
(and that's a huge but!)
... only once after booting. I can command-tab in and out of EVE, but once I quit, there's no going back. Splash screen shows, disappears, nothing happens, just the EVE icon sitting unresponsive in the task bar.
Have to reboot the machine to get it to work again, which is a pain.
Same happens when I deactivate the nvidia chip and use onboard graphics, except it hangs already on the first try after booting.
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The AEther
Caldari Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.11 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout I've not yet checked out EVE, but I'm really impressed with this OS. It freed up 30 gigs of HD space, and just seems to run so much more smoothly. Very happy.
noticed same, i was like "hello 30 gigs of space " - was a nice little surprise
overall i like 10.6 very much, haven't tried installing EVE on it yet but for all other intents and purposes it is working out great
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