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NickyYo
StarHug
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Posted - 2012.06.01 21:05:00 -
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Ok here's the situation.
I am in a Jaguar (assault frigate) the tank fit is as follows.
- Damage Control t2
- 2x Medium shield extenders t2
- 2x core defence purgers t2 riggs
Now the war target is in a tornado and kills me in one shot with t1 scout artillary from 60km away... Is that even possible? my sig radios was so low, i did not have my mwd on and i was moving..
Anyone know if that tracking exploit has re-surfaced?
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1036
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Posted - 2012.06.01 21:06:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Angular_velocity |
NickyYo
StarHug
157
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Posted - 2012.06.01 21:10:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Angular_velocity
Thanks for the reply, but still even gong of that the war target should not have been able to 1 shot a minmatar assault frigate with large t1 guns from 60k away..
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Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
40
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Posted - 2012.06.01 21:52:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Angular_velocity Thanks for the reply, but still even gong of that the war target should not have been able to 1 shot a minmatar assault frigate with large t1 guns from 60k away.. I went 1v1 with a t2 fitted zealot and that even had trouble getting my Assault frigs shields down..
The Alpha from a 1400 arty Tornado is MONSTRUOUS.
I see Tornados one-shotting ANY kind of frigates every day. Also, Meta 4 guns with Faction ammo offer you comparable performance to T2 (more or less).
If the get you with low transversal velocity, or worse, if you turn on your MWD and approach the Tornado directly, you WILL be killed in one vollety most of the time.
The tank in the frigate is irrelevant, unless you can squeeze 8 or 10K HP or the Tornado pilot is not properly skilled.
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2278
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Posted - 2012.06.01 22:10:00 -
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It's entirely plausible that you simply got blapped. The purgers are worthless versus alpha and your sig ratio will not actually be low with dual MSE's.
What was your angular and how fast were you actually moving. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
1060
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Posted - 2012.06.01 23:22:00 -
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You have the signature radius of a small moon, even if you were tightly orbitting the zealot which I presume you were at 60k tracking fit the tornado will track you. It doesn't need a full quality hit to one shot you, either. |
Samuel Wess
SW Consulting
7
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Posted - 2012.06.01 23:23:00 -
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Tornado can also choose damage type to your lowest resists while Zealot has EM/TH that are your highest resists. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
146
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Posted - 2012.06.01 23:39:00 -
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If you move in a straight line, you will be popped as-well. |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2012.06.02 02:45:00 -
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im guessing you think that being at range from him was actually something on your side... it wasnt, he had a mayor advantage due to that. if you were orbiting his ass at 3km, he could never track you with artys. being at 60km from him made you maximum angular velocity, with the mwd off, so low that you might as well stand still.
you could have had a better chance to stay alive if your mwd was on, even with the sig penalty, he still couldnt track your speed. just slowly change the orbit till you get closer. also, the MWDs on AFs have a role bonus! |
uwai223
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
53
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:20:00 -
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Don't believe the nerds in this thread, they just don't want their tracking exploit fixed...blapping someone at 60km yeah right as if that was possible without cheating. I'd say you petition this and you should probably try to escalate the ticket, as some GMs are in on this I hear. We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy! |
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uwai223
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
53
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:27:00 -
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Also that jag fit is really really terrible. We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy! |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx Luna Sanguinem
163
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:39:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Ok here's the situation. I am in a Jaguar (assault frigate) the tank fit is as follows.
- Damage Control t2
- 2x Medium shield extenders t2
- 2x core defence purgers t2 riggs
my sig radios was so low
At this point, you might aswell have been a BC with the EHP of an untanked cruiser. |
im mrmessy
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.02 13:28:00 -
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A wise man once said "Stationary objects do not react well to 1400s" |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
57
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Posted - 2012.06.02 16:03:00 -
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OP fits 2 SMALL SHIELD EXTENDERS on a Jag and thinks that he lost his ship because of an exploit. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Cold Hand of Shadow
105
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Posted - 2012.06.02 16:07:00 -
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uwai223 wrote:Don't believe the nerds in this thread, they just don't want their tracking exploit fixed...blapping someone at 60km yeah right as if that was possible without cheating. I'd say you petition this and you should probably try to escalate the ticket, as some GMs are in on this I hear.
I can't tell if trolling or just tinfoil hat. Either way, I lol`d. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1036
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Posted - 2012.06.02 19:37:00 -
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nerds |
Waylan Yutani
The Ghost Division The Ghost Army
29
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Posted - 2012.06.02 20:51:00 -
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always come in at an angle, and always keep moving |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
2
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Posted - 2012.06.02 21:16:00 -
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Waylan Yutani wrote:always come in at an angle, and always keep moving
I tried that and she slapped me. |
Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
19
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Posted - 2012.06.02 23:08:00 -
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I'm not an PvP expert or anything but the concept and effects of angular velocity and increased sig radius from shield stuffs got stomped into me pretty early.
Flying in a Jag with increased sig radius at 60KM from a Tornado with 1400's is playing to the Tornado's strength. At that distance your relative angular velocity would practically be non excistant. A one shot pop I wouldn't know about but it could be possible. Under the circumstances you wouldn't have enjoyed a long and happy life at that distance anyway.
Take it in, reflect and learn from it. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
169
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Posted - 2012.06.02 23:23:00 -
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Looking at the OPs char pic ... Im quite sure this was a troll. |
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LittleTerror
15
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Posted - 2012.06.03 13:21:00 -
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You were 60km away from him, there's your problem... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
276
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Posted - 2012.06.04 15:40:00 -
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With your MWD off (assuming afterburner off as well) the max transversal you could have had is probably somewhere around 500 m/s.
Angular velocity = transversal velocity / range, so 500 m/s / 60 km = .00833 radians per second
A ******* dreadnought would have hit you. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. (Link was wrong, now fixed) |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
66
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:17:00 -
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clearly you not mainaining transveral is a "tracking exploit" by the tornado. |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
305
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Posted - 2012.06.07 02:24:00 -
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OP has clearly never heard of arty before... |
Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
160
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Posted - 2012.06.07 21:43:00 -
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Thought everyone knew that at 50km, you can get damn perfect tracking with arty's, unless the target is moving at an insane rate of speed at a very sharp angle. Think about it. If I have a rifle, and my target is at 800m and it moves even 60m, I don't have to move my rifle much to keep up with it...even if it's coming at me. Post with your main or GTFO! The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
393
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:57:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:uwai223 wrote:Don't believe the nerds in this thread, they just don't want their tracking exploit fixed...blapping someone at 60km yeah right as if that was possible without cheating. I'd say you petition this and you should probably try to escalate the ticket, as some GMs are in on this I hear. I can't tell if trolling or just tinfoil hat. Either way, I lol`d.
Sarcasm.
Know it, love it, live it!
In irae, veritas. |
Gwarlord
Periculum Kismet
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:53:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:you could have had a better chance to stay alive if your mwd was on, even with the sig penalty, he still couldnt track your speed. just slowly change the orbit till you get closer. also, the MWDs on AFs have a role bonus!
^^ this |
Dare Knight
The 0ffice of Secret Intelligence
37
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:38:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:With your MWD off (assuming afterburner off as well) the max transversal you could have had is probably somewhere around 500 m/s.
Angular velocity = transversal velocity / range, so 500 m/s / 60 km = .00833 radians per second
A ******* dreadnought would have hit you.
I looked at this then lol'd.
...Then I wrote it down on a sticky and posted it to my monitor. It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. |
M Blanc
The Ironmongery
8
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:41:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:With your MWD off (assuming afterburner off as well) the max transversal you could have had is probably somewhere around 500 m/s.
Angular velocity = transversal velocity / range, so 500 m/s / 60 km = .00833 radians per second
A ******* dreadnought would have hit you. There's this thing called signature radius and this other thing called signature resolution. You should probably go look them up. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
746
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Posted - 2012.06.09 02:24:00 -
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M Blanc wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:With your MWD off (assuming afterburner off as well) the max transversal you could have had is probably somewhere around 500 m/s.
Angular velocity = transversal velocity / range, so 500 m/s / 60 km = .00833 radians per second
A ******* dreadnought would have hit you. There's this thing called signature radius and this other thing called signature resolution. You should probably go look them up. You might want to look at the chance to hit formula, and consider what happens when traversal is very low: it essentially eliminates signature radius and signature resolution from the chance to hit formula.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Turret_damage |
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