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Xaveus Young
Ascendence Corporation
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Posted - 2012.06.04 18:35:00 -
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You mention AFK mining, not sure how this is done, with my Retriever I can barely get a cup of coffee and it is done and ready to go back to unload....yes I am a noob
But my question is this, everyone says that goonswarm is doing this because they hate AFK miners, if this is true then am I to assume that if a person is not AFK they will not be attacked?
If people who are not AFK are getting attacked, then it has nothing to do with AFK mining and just ganking.
One is a legitimate reason and the other just comes from inward anger derived from another series of events or hurt feelings.
"All Men Shall Pay In Full" |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2008
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Posted - 2012.06.04 18:44:00 -
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Xaveus Young wrote:You mention AFK mining, not sure how this is done, with my Retriever I can barely get a cup of coffee and it is done and ready to go back to unload....yes I am a noob But my question is this, everyone says that goonswarm is doing this because they hate AFK miners, if this is true then am I to assume that if a person is not AFK they will not be attacked? If people who are not AFK are getting attacked, then it has nothing to do with AFK mining and just ganking. One is a legitimate reason and the other just comes from inward anger derived from another series of events or hurt feelings.
I believe the point is that a miner that is paying attention (not largely AFK) can easily spot the gank ships on D scan (or if he bothers to set standings or share intel, spot them in local) before they get to the belt, and safely exit before attacked. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:09:00 -
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Quote: And we must admit that the goons, like them or hate them, do treat noobs well - probably better than most alliances. There is a lot of elitism in this game centered around SP and KB stats, meaning that newer and lesser skilled players are left out. This means an untapped resource of players who, given an edge over not wanting ISK and shiney ships, can accomplish just about anything.
I remember just starting out, I needed about 10mil isk for skillbooks, so I asked, and about 10 vets dumped about 50mil on me each. We also get free frigates and cruisers to lose as we please, just as long as we get experience with it. PvP is a lot easier to learn when you can just hop right back into it without having to worry about your bottom line.
If other corps treated their newbies half as well, maybe you empire pubbies could actually organize against us. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Large Marg
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:11:00 -
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At Eve Fest if players meet the kids who think its fun to gank will there be good times or time to settle up in real life? |
Bill Loney
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:22:00 -
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Large Marg wrote:At Eve Fest if players meet the kids who think its fun to gank will there be good times or time to settle up in real life? Except you cannot gank people irl without consequences, which is why people do it in games. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2012.06.05 05:05:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Hates a pretty strong word.
More like some miners don't want to be gankable, and some people enjoy ganking.
What is it about forums that bring out the polar extremes in people?
The irony of a goon talking about polar extremes. Your alliance is what brings out the extremes in people. |
Price Check Aisle3
68
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Posted - 2012.06.05 05:07:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:The irony of a goon talking about polar extremes. Your alliance is what brings out the extremes in people. The best part was where you blamed your own behavior on others. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.06.05 11:41:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Hates a pretty strong word.
More like some miners don't want to be gankable, and some people enjoy ganking.
What is it about forums that bring out the polar extremes in people? The irony of a goon talking about polar extremes. Your alliance is what brings out the extremes in people.
He was talking about forums, not alliances. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
791
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Posted - 2012.06.05 12:04:00 -
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Large Marg wrote:At Eve Fest if players meet the kids who think its fun to gank will there be good times or time to settle up in real life? Only people with severe mental issues would consider this realistically. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2012.06.05 12:16:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Xaveus Young wrote:You mention AFK mining, not sure how this is done, with my Retriever I can barely get a cup of coffee and it is done and ready to go back to unload....yes I am a noob But my question is this, everyone says that goonswarm is doing this because they hate AFK miners, if this is true then am I to assume that if a person is not AFK they will not be attacked? If people who are not AFK are getting attacked, then it has nothing to do with AFK mining and just ganking. One is a legitimate reason and the other just comes from inward anger derived from another series of events or hurt feelings. I believe the point is that a miner that is paying attention (not largely AFK) can easily spot the gank ships on D scan (or if he bothers to set standings or share intel, spot them in local) before they get to the belt, and safely exit before attacked.
Difference being that high sec every neutral can be a possible ganker and please show us how your low ass warping mining barge will gtfo before you blow it up and I can prove it to you whenever you want, this is a myth or you're the luckiest guy ever.
There are also newb gankers, there are also fake gankers but everyone who knows what he's doing, starting By using alts to pull concord away, will gank you in no time and easy no matter how much tank you have. Then go prove to ccp the guy used an alt 100+ AU of the belt and shot that alt with another alt to push concord away. Good luck. Non the less, this is currently used by some known ones.
And by the way, if you're still mining in this game you're doing it wrong.
brb |
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Velicitia
Open Designs
978
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Posted - 2012.06.05 13:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote: How much damage can SCVs, Probes, and Drones take in Starcraft?
One well-placed nuke works well. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
278
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Posted - 2012.06.05 15:42:00 -
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Gankers always bring up AFK miners as their target, especially now since bots have been targeted by CCP. It's a sin not to watch the screen avidly and d-scan every few seconds. This violates the code of Eve. You're supposed to mine the same way you would do pvp. Never mind that this is vastly impractical, the charm of high sec mining being that it does not require total attention. No one is supposed to be able to play Eve without total complete focus on staying alive. Forget that next trip to the bathroom, your bladder is less valuable than your internet spaceship. Creepy fanatics in this game. |
Mira Robinson
United Amarr Templar Legion
2
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Posted - 2012.06.05 15:59:00 -
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I love how more than half of the ganker arguments in why they gank highsec miners are easily rebuked. I'd go so far as to bet money that gankers in Eve are bullies in real life. |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.06.05 16:03:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:I love how more than half of the ganker arguments in why they gank highsec miners are easily rebuked. I'd go so far as to bet money that gankers in Eve are bullies in real life.
Easily rebuked by saying that they can't be bothered to be more careful or fit a tank instead of going for max yield? |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
339
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Posted - 2012.06.05 16:05:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Large Marg wrote:At Eve Fest if players meet the kids who think its fun to gank will there be good times or time to settle up in real life? Only people with severe mental issues would consider this realistically.
Hhhhmmmmmm die you littl...... wh ,..what, sorry forgot myself for a second, miles away. forget it .....
Tal |
Xavier Bandar
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:13:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:I'd go so far as to bet money that gankers in Eve are bullies in real life.
I'd go as far as to bet money that miners have menial jobs in real life, because making ******** posts is fun. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
794
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Posted - 2012.06.06 05:23:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Gankers always bring up AFK miners as their target, especially now since bots have been targeted by CCP. It's a sin not to watch the screen avidly and d-scan every few seconds. This violates the code of Eve. You're supposed to mine the same way you would do pvp. Never mind that this is vastly impractical, the charm of high sec mining being that it does not require total attention. No one is supposed to be able to play Eve without total complete focus on staying alive. Forget that next trip to the bathroom, your bladder is less valuable than your internet spaceship. Creepy fanatics in this game. Your dock button doesn't work? If you have to go use the rest room, dock up for a moment. You got unexpected **** happening, hit the dock button, odds are in your favor of making it to station alive, even if you hit the button and run. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
72
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:03:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:Gankers always bring up AFK miners as their target, especially now since bots have been targeted by CCP. It's a sin not to watch the screen avidly and d-scan every few seconds. This violates the code of Eve. You're supposed to mine the same way you would do pvp. Never mind that this is vastly impractical, the charm of high sec mining being that it does not require total attention. No one is supposed to be able to play Eve without total complete focus on staying alive. Forget that next trip to the bathroom, your bladder is less valuable than your internet spaceship. Creepy fanatics in this game. Your dock button doesn't work? If you have to go use the rest room, dock up for a moment. You got unexpected **** happening, hit the dock button, odds are in your favor of making it to station alive, even if you hit the button and run.
And I'm sure many people have "thought" they hit the dock button as they rush out... |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
794
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:29:00 -
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Spikeflach wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:Gankers always bring up AFK miners as their target, especially now since bots have been targeted by CCP. It's a sin not to watch the screen avidly and d-scan every few seconds. This violates the code of Eve. You're supposed to mine the same way you would do pvp. Never mind that this is vastly impractical, the charm of high sec mining being that it does not require total attention. No one is supposed to be able to play Eve without total complete focus on staying alive. Forget that next trip to the bathroom, your bladder is less valuable than your internet spaceship. Creepy fanatics in this game. Your dock button doesn't work? If you have to go use the rest room, dock up for a moment. You got unexpected **** happening, hit the dock button, odds are in your favor of making it to station alive, even if you hit the button and run. And I'm sure many people have "thought" they hit the dock button as they rush out... Its happened to me that I hit it as I rush out, and either I screwed up and it didn't engage(my own fault) or someone tackled me before I entered warp. Thats the chance you take for not waiting 60 seconds to make sure you are safely warping out before you leave.
And its your choice to take that chance, knowing full well the risks.
If you take longer than 30 seconds to enter warp, just log out and ewarp. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
KanashiiKami
104
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Posted - 2012.07.03 05:49:00 -
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InternetSpaceship wrote:Quote: And we must admit that the goons, like them or hate them, do treat noobs well - probably better than most alliances. There is a lot of elitism in this game centered around SP and KB stats, meaning that newer and lesser skilled players are left out. This means an untapped resource of players who, given an edge over not wanting ISK and shiney ships, can accomplish just about anything.
I remember just starting out, I needed about 10mil isk for skillbooks, so I asked, and about 10 vets dumped about 50mil on me each. We also get free frigates and cruisers to lose as we please, just as long as we get experience with it. PvP is a lot easier to learn when you can just hop right back into it without having to worry about your bottom line. If other corps treated their newbies half as well, maybe you empire pubbies could actually organize against us.
i see, so joining goons having the free isk is a good start. have a free isk buffer so that u can freely "respawn" your pvp ship ... that sounds like goons are playing a game call WoW ... i get it now ... so OTEC and all the ISK buffer funds, now makes goons an official "WoW" respawn point, hmmm well done goons LOL
so some ppl do have unfair extra advantages in game after all. ganking or no ganking you can respawn pretty fast, that part i am very sure now lol. WUT ??? |
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Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.07.03 07:14:00 -
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Thing is, this game is owned by CCP and they must (or maybe not?) provide balance in all (or not, again?) aspects of the game. When they made the rules, automatically they are obliged to execute them and to conduct by those rules.
If something goes in extreme (by whose standards, and that is the catch) they must react in reasonable way. If they ignore that extreme, it can be for two reasons: a) they are not interested (why should we care, let them burn) or, b) they have some gain in that but must not openly discuss about or the current situation is in their like.
Or CCP are simply out of ideas anymore or they are interested in other games they develop and this one treated like money generator until it last, no matter what.
Things are not going to be changed if they not suite them. Common peoples (players, in this matter) are always collateral in any aspects of life and all is matter is profit and the profit is main goal in todayGÇÖs philosophy. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Lord Zim
980
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Posted - 2012.07.03 08:55:00 -
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KanashiiKami wrote:i see, so joining goons having the free isk is a good start. have a free isk buffer so that u can freely "respawn" your pvp ship ... that sounds like goons are playing a game call WoW ... i get it now Ahahahahahaha, yes, the alliance actually treating its members non-**** means that EVE is exactly like WoW.
The mind of pubbies'll never cease to amaze me.
KanashiiKami wrote:i know ... so in particular because CCP did change the game mechanics due to the over farming of incursions, will CCP also change the mechanics of moon goo farming? since it is being over farmed? It's not being "over farmed", one specific moongoo type is being "over utilized", which given eve's markets means that this specific moongoo type is expensive as ****. We told CCP this well before CCP made the changes to moongoo utilization, they went ahead with it anyways. If they'd rebalance moongoo utilization to make it a lot less pants-on-head-********, that would be dandy. If they make it so people have to mine it with their own, whatevs. At least it'll still be sandboxy, unlike the rest of your post:
KanashiiKami wrote:so in terms of mechanics changes, i would suggest, each corp is max allowed to farm only max 1 tec moon, and max number of tec moons an alliance can farm is 5. but even so, i have reason to believe anyone will over farm this limitation, might as well do it like PI, CCP actively monitor market supply and introduce an actively variable moon goo output according to market forces. or even better, CCP directly seeds hulks or other ships affected by this unbalanced effect LOL.
how am i doing so far? some one comment plz? "1 tech moon pr corp" is ******** beyond belief. Say hi to techcorp1, techcorp2, techcorp3, techcorp4, techcorp5 etc. Corps don't need to be in an alliance to moon goo, so no need to fret about those.
As for "do it like PI", CCP isn't "actively monitoring market supply" and "changing an actively variable output" there, they're not going to do that to moongoo.
As for "seeding hulks", get the **** out. Don't pass Go, don't collect 200 dollars, just get the **** out. And take dumb ideas such as CCP seeding specific ships and modules (when all they've done the past couple of years is cut down on the ships, modules etc which they've seeded) with you. |
pussnheels
445
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Posted - 2012.07.03 09:29:00 -
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What hate , in the almost 4 years ive been playing you always had these two minorities, one group that can not or will not understand that undocking brings risk and the other group that only wants to blow up everything that can t shoot back without the penalties asociated with hi sec Good for the game that they are both a minority and always will be a minority This has nothing to do with the goons , they just goons and have a reputation to keep nor with past hulkageddons , that just a event once a while well anounced in advance I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
50
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:14:00 -
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Hate results in conflicts. Conflicts result in exploding ships. Exploding ships increase the demand of goods.
I think EvE needs more hate. |
Phugoid
Black Horse Enterprises-International The Unforgiven Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:47:00 -
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sweetrock wrote:"LEAVE BRITNEY ALOOOOOOOONNNNEE!"
LOL.......
anyone see the thread about hate in Eve, errr, then it turned into how to tank ur Hulk (my interest), then the manifesto and bad people thread, then it turned into........
its incredible how threads can be hijacked so easily
think ill start one here on how OPs should be able to delete non related responses to the origional post Flugzeugf++hrer |
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