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Izo Alabaster
Imprisoned Chaos R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.06.02 08:57:00 -
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1. Overview.
Greetings fellow capsuleers! This contest is simple. I'm going to post a ship setup, and the first one to post a battlecruiser setup that can beat it in a one on one fight wins iskies. The contest will run for 2 weeks or so, depending on how much interest the thread receives and I'll post a winner (if there is one) on or around the 16th of June 2012.
2. The target ship.
A lone Drake (Duh).
Highs
Heavy Missile Launcher II x7 Missiles of the Drake pilot's choice. They'll almost certainly be whatever your ship's weakest resistance is or whatever the Drake's damage bonus is. (Yes, the Drake does have a damage bonus.)
Mids
Experimental 10mn Afterburner I Warp Scrambler II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II x2
Lows
Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic System II Ballistic System II
Drones Drake pilot's choice, but again, probably going to hit against your fit's weakest resistance or Hobgoblin IIs, whichever is most effective.
Rigs Medium Core Defense Field Extender I x3
3. Where you come in.
Select your best tech 1 battlecruiser setups and post them in this thread. If I like it, I'll do a test fight. First person to post a setup that I like that I can consistently beat my own Drake setup with wins the 100m isk. If you post a setup that I like, I may elect to give you 10m isk as a compensation prize even if you don't win the 100m.
A tip to designing a setup: I don't like Drake fits, so don't post any. Also, if it breaks the bank to set your loadout up, then I probably won't like it. That means if you're suggesting I take an officer fit Brutix up against the target ship, then don't expect to be winning the contest. Try to keep it limited to tech 2 or best named.
Some important notes: I'll give the benefit of the doubt regarding lock times, but if the Drake is able to simply right click empty space and warp away if his shields get low, then your setup isn't going to be Killing the Drake, is it? You might want to fit some modules capable of preventing a mid-fight warp-out.
4. The Test Fight
I'll select several setups that like and I think can beat the Drake setup I posted, and perform a test fight between them. The test will go something like this: I set up both ships according to the designated loadouts, warp my two characters to a safe spot, flip a can and commence fighting. Starting distance will be 20km. Both characters have similar skills, so one's not going to be fitting T2 modules while the other one is fitting meta 0 or anything. No fleet bonuses or other external effects. I won't actually be destroying either ship during the test fight since I'm the one funding this little venture and I own both of the ships that are doing the fighting, but I'm going to keep them fighting until a clear winner emerges which may include going down into structure.
Edit - I forgot to add, the test fight's Drake pilot may try such evasive maneuvers as "flying in a straight line with the afterburner on," "right click orbiting at a pre-designated distance" and other such l337 piloting skills. Also I may or may not decide to use overheating. If I do overheat, I'll be doing it for both characters. |
Izo Alabaster
Imprisoned Chaos R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:00:00 -
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Reserved |
Alara IonStorm
2363
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:05:00 -
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[Myrmidon, Myrmidon] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5
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Korg Tronix
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:11:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:[Myrmidon, Myrmidon] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5
Damn it Alara I was about to post the triple rep myrm
Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams] |
Alara IonStorm
2363
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:13:00 -
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Korg Tronix wrote: Damn it Alara I was about to post the triple rep myrm
I'm too poor to fly one right now but want to so I was quick on the draw.
/Fingers crossed.
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Izo Alabaster
Imprisoned Chaos R.E.P.O.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:42:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: /Fingers crossed.
10m sent. I'll test it out later, and send the remaining 90m if it's able to consistently beat the Drake setup.
edit - Mind if I use a warp disruptor instead of a scram? The drake isn't fit with an MWD. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
952
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:26:00 -
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The good ship 'Friendship'. |
Liam Mirren
533
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:30:00 -
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Izo Alabaster wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: /Fingers crossed.
10m sent. I'll test it out later, and send the remaining 90m if it's able to consistently beat the Drake setup. edit - Mind if I use a warp disruptor instead of a scram? The drake isn't fit with an MWD.
Doesn't really matter, if you don't get short range your blasters don't do dps. Also long point uses more cap and your 3 reps are already hurting your cap like a mofo.
This will always win, it tanks more than what that Drake fit can dish out regardless of damage type and with phased plasma ammo it'll break the drake's tank (albeit slowly) on the turrets alone, the drones just help it go down quicker and you have replacement drones would he destroy a few. It's faster so the drake can't run away (assuming no ecm drones) and it won't run out of cap. This all assumes a face to face 1v1 scenario ofcourse.
[Myrmidon, Shield] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Hammerhead II x5 Hammerhead II x10 Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.06.02 12:30:00 -
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AB HL Drake with no web and no small neut?
I wonder if a 1600mm plate AB Thorax wouldn't manage it. Also AB long point Talos?
A dual rep Brutix should have enough cap charges to last, equally a dual rep Myrm, not sure the triple rep, dual injector Myrm won't cause itself cap booster supply problems before the drake's dead. Of course with links this would be trivial for such active-tankers.
Fancy flying a Cyclone? Also AB armour brick Cane and Harb should screw over a Drake.
Hmm, are implants permitted? LG crystals/slaves/even halos could make a big difference. Also do you have AWU 5 or are cheap PG/CPU implants valid?
Why not test this on Sisi and not waste isk on ships & fits? And be able to go through hull. |
Liam Mirren
533
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Posted - 2012.06.02 12:46:00 -
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Thorax can't, not enough EHP for its dps Same for the Talos, EHP/DPS isn't enough Brutix can pull it off Cyclone can do it (specially with the new ancil shield boosters)
Daneel Trevize wrote:Why not test this on Sisi and not waste isk on ships & fits? And be able to go through hull. Sure, lets delete this and other similar forums and replace it with "if you have a question, go figure it out on sisi". Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
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Korg Tronix
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
52
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Posted - 2012.06.02 13:13:00 -
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a triple rep or dual rep myrm will kill this regardless of what guns are fitted. that drake fit operates in web scram range. the standard cyclone fit will do this as well. in fact that drake fit would die to anything that can tank its damage for long enough to kill it.
Active ferox or prophecy could probably do it eventually Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams] |
Unit757
North Point
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Posted - 2012.06.02 15:08:00 -
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Looks like fun, I'll toss this in here.
[Ferox, Flight I] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hornet II x5
If we can give you specific instructions for flying our fits, then pulse the MWD enough to keep in range :P |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.06.02 16:21:00 -
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The OPs drake fit is very very bad. |
Kelhund
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.02 16:31:00 -
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To be honest, a 425mm AC fit, buffer tanked gank cane can kill a drake. I've done it before with a a rack of 425s, 2 med neuts and a healthy buffer tank. The best way to do it is to use ECM drones. That way he will have ahard time acquiring the target. Also, because all of his resists are active (invuln fields and the EM hardener) once your neuts drain his cap he will loose alot of his EHP and be easier to kill. |
Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.06.02 17:04:00 -
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Is this supposed to prove the drake is overpowered or something? Because it's not working |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.02 17:10:00 -
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Viribus wrote:Is this supposed to prove the drake is overpowered or something? Because it's not working
You can kill capital ships with a swarm of rifters, does it means rifters are overpowered? You'd need half of those in Enyos to do the same job, does it means Enyo is overpowered?
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.06.02 17:12:00 -
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Almost anything that can tank 300 kinetic DPS (slightly less in the case of low-sig cruisers) is going to be able to beat a Drake. |
Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.06.02 17:51:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Viribus wrote:Is this supposed to prove the drake is overpowered or something? Because it's not working You can kill capital ships with a swarm of rifters, does it means rifters are overpowered? You'd need half of those in Enyos to do the same job, does it means Enyo is overpowered?
You're making literally zero sense and I don't see how your reply relates to what I posted at all |
Nihassa
Spectres of Death
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Posted - 2012.06.02 18:54:00 -
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Highs
Heavy Missile Launcher II x7
Mids
Experimental 10mn Afterburner I Warp Scrambler II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II x2
Lows
Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic System II Ballistic System II
Drones Drake pilot's choice.
Rigs Medium Core Defense Field Extender II x3 (see what i did there?)
Ta da, above fit wins =) |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
151
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Posted - 2012.06.02 19:08:00 -
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If you are flying a shitfit like that, nobody wins |
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Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.02 19:49:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:Thorax can't, not enough EHP for its dps Same for the Talos, EHP/DPS isn't enough You missed the significant damage mitigation of my proposal that they were AB fitted.
Liam Mirren wrote:Daneel Trevize wrote:Why not test this on Sisi and not waste isk on ships & fits? And be able to go through hull. Sure, lets delete this and other similar forums and replace it with "if you have a question, go figure it out on sisi". I am not suggesting the discussion is invalid, simply that then ingame testing several fits purely against your own alt is a waste of isk if it can be done for free on Sisi. Do pay attention.Korg Tronix wrote:in fact that drake fit would die to anything that can tank its damage for long enough to kill it. That is how the game works, yes. The point in this case being that the Drake usually has quite a lot of tank for its class. |
Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
57
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Posted - 2012.06.02 20:00:00 -
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The answer to this question is "literally any BC with an active tank"
Even some stupid dualrep/ab blaster prophecy would whip that drake silly |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
149
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Posted - 2012.06.02 21:27:00 -
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It doesnt need to be active tanked. An armor cane or armor harb or plated myrm would all smash it. |
Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.06.02 21:38:00 -
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That too |
Arcturus Ursidae
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.02 22:17:00 -
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Theoretically with a myrm he can kill your drones and the guns alone may not break his tank, it will take a while but he has his own drones and a lot of EHP to grind down. Then Stalemate.
The Drake fit is not great from an in game perspective but for theory crafting I think it is harder to beat than people might think. It has almost 100K EHP and peak recharge of 200 DPS depending on damage. EFT says 510 DPS which is not that terrible.
For fun I would say DPS Brutix, this should have about half the EHP but double the DPS.
Race to the finish see who wins. Almost 55k EHP versus Kinetic and 1029DPS, note that Kin therm are the Drakes weakest resists.
[Brutix, DPS Vrs EHP] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
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Korg Tronix
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
52
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Posted - 2012.06.02 22:32:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:Korg Tronix wrote:in fact that drake fit would die to anything that can tank its damage for long enough to kill it. That is how the game works, yes. The point in this case being that the Drake usually has quite a lot of tank for its class.
True, just trying to point out that pretty much any active tanked BC would kill this, as well as the buffer tanked BCs (Cane, Harb, Myrm). Its a terrible Drake fit.
Ishtar, Gila, Deimos and the Sacriledge could all kill this. Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams] |
Alara IonStorm
2350
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Posted - 2012.06.02 22:52:00 -
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Arcturus Ursidae wrote:Theoretically with a myrm he can kill your drones and the guns alone may not break his tank, it will take a while but he has his own drones and a lot of EHP to grind down. Then Stalemate.
In reality he has no web and you can just pull back any Drone taking damage. Even if he manages to somehow in all unlikelihood pop even one you still have 5 Hobgoblins and 5 more Warriors which is enough to break his tank. |
Izo Alabaster
Imprisoned Chaos R.E.P.O.
3
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:21:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:It doesnt need to be active tanked. An armor cane or armor harb or plated myrm would all smash it.
Go ahead, post a fit. I'll test it out.
I might be wrong (and that's the point of making this thread), but to be honest, I think you're underestimating things a bit. Gun traverse and falloff work against the max dps of Canes and Harbingers, while that drake setup will widdle down most buffer fits before they can widdle him down. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
488
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Posted - 2012.06.03 02:05:00 -
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Izo Alabaster wrote:Michael Harari wrote:It doesnt need to be active tanked. An armor cane or armor harb or plated myrm would all smash it. Go ahead, post a fit. I'll test it out. I might be wrong (and that's the point of making this thread), but to be honest, I think you're underestimating things a bit. Gun traverse and falloff work against the max dps of Canes and Harbingers, while that drake setup will widdle down most buffer fits before they can widdle him down.
A Drake isn't pulling transversal against any close-range turrets and the best place to engage is point-blank since none of the Drake's DPS is mitigated by range.
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Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
149
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Posted - 2012.06.03 04:26:00 -
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Izo Alabaster wrote:Michael Harari wrote:It doesnt need to be active tanked. An armor cane or armor harb or plated myrm would all smash it. Go ahead, post a fit. I'll test it out.
Your tests are rather worthless tbh |
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