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chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.04 16:31:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Hey,
We currently are looking at NPCs in the FW complexes. The plan is to remove all NPCs doing EW in all factions to equalize difficulty a bit. We won't touch the missile spam for now however as most of the NPCs are used in missions as well, but this should help a bit until we get into a proper iteration of this for this winter. This also won't apply for FW missions, only FW complexes for now.
Thanks for everything!
Removing EW helps PVP out quite a bit. However, the missile spam vs non-missile spam still allows the side not facing missiles to pretty much afk run plexes with very very low skill alts, EW was never an issue there because those characters are not intended to engage in pvp.
But every little bit helps!
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.04 17:27:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:2) Farmers are a VERY IMPORTANT part of this new patch. For example the amarrians have tons of plexe avalaible. They need plexers to go out and hit systems that are empty if plays an important part in the contestation of systems. If you change the game mechanic that all npcs must be killed the losing faction will not be able to fight back as easily.
Again the afk plexers are very very very important for a losing faction. It maintains balance.
Here I strongly disagree. AFK plexers are a problem, not a solution. I don't think the design mission of FW is "lets allow plexes to be taken AFK, cause we want a gameplay mechanic that requires alts and AFK play because plexing is boring".
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.04 17:50:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Once things flip Id expect to see more gallente alts.
Except gallente alts cannot afk plex anywhere NEAR as effectively as caldari alts due to the difference in NPC mechanics.
PS: I still think the afk alt farming is a BAD thing for a whole host of reasons, and I look forward to a "kill all rats to capture opposing plexes and get LP" mechanic. I don't mind it so much for defensive plexing since there is no LP reward, and therefore less incentive to afk farm. Additionally, I don't see any way to fix it for defensive (unlike offensive) plexing. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.04 22:13:00 -
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Dopified wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:I do not really know what you guys are planning, but real problem is not the rats in plexes.
there is several bigger problems that needs to be solved before anyone can decide what kind of rats are in plexes. I am finding it funny how caldari are the only ones who are resisting this topic and dont want it changed.
They're still going to have by far the most useful rats (well, tied with Minmatar I guess, never ran against minnie rats) With the proposed changes a caldari guy can burn 30 off the rats in a caracal or drake, take no damage have no ewar and shoot with impunity.
A gallente guy will still have to deal with the incoming damage.
But the proposed changes are most definitely an improvement. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.04 23:18:00 -
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Dopified wrote:chatgris wrote:Dopified wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:I do not really know what you guys are planning, but real problem is not the rats in plexes.
there is several bigger problems that needs to be solved before anyone can decide what kind of rats are in plexes. I am finding it funny how caldari are the only ones who are resisting this topic and dont want it changed. They're still going to have by far the most useful rats (well, tied with Minmatar I guess, never ran against minnie rats) With the proposed changes a caldari guy can burn 30 off the rats in a caracal or drake, take no damage have no ewar and shoot with impunity. A gallente guy will still have to deal with the incoming damage. But the proposed changes are most definitely an improvement. Let me ask you this Chat for a temporary fix. If all rats missile spammed like caldari rats do and you took the ewar away would this not be a good temporary fix until a long term solution could be found? EW NPC's removed or not who cares we are just talking about the incoming damage. And yes i know and will say to CCP you would get even more grief for making the rats the same for all by being blamed Gallente bias. I would understand if you would not want to open that can of worms.
It would be a good temporary fix. It would damp down the afk plexing alts some and give everyone an even playing field.
I would prefer that all rats became the short range turret rats instead so that everyone could pvp in plexes without NPC interference just by burning off the button (rats should stay near the button), but that doesn't solve the afk frigate issue until they introduce the "kill all rats to close plex" fix. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.04 23:26:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Do you realize that you can solo every faction lvl 4's in a bomber? It's not just Minmatar & Caldari that can run solo bombers in missions.. Gal & Amarr can do the same it's just a bit harder and requires ships set up to do the job. Same with plexes..
I would love to see what fit you think it is possible to solo a level 4 gallente fw mission (against caldari rats, and NOT the one where you have to pick up the item that can be done in a ceptor). Because those rats hit out to 100+, and the jamming is pretty intense too - it works over the tank of an ishtar/gila real good. |
chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.05 16:28:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Fun & Eve dont really go hand in hand, dont you think?
Not since this new patch, this new patch is fantastic fun, it's brought pvp back to plexes. Sure, one day it might lead to Nenna being taken, but then meh, drop militia for a day JF/carrier jump all my ships to some nearby non-FW lowsec system and continue the pew pew.
I had already unsubbed my alt and was just waiting for this accounts sub to expire before this patch came out, and grudgingly gave the new patch a go, but DAMN. Eve crack is back! |
chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:02:00 -
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Julius Foederatus wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:CCP talked about making plexxing a pvp activity, but they did not deliver. They still need to work on this imo. There's NO WAY any activity in Eve can be a pvp activity if one side chooses to not engage. If you can tell us how to force both sides to engage, then let's hear it. There can only be consequences if one side chooses not to engage. The short term consequences (have to sit on button for a long time, have to continue to defend bunker forever while wts are free to do what they want) are a penalty to most of the people who won (either by pvp, or because the other side bailed), not the people who lost (either fled or were killed). Was just thinking about this. Maybe a partial solution is that when you leave the button in an offensive plex, the timer starts counting back down to zero by itself. So instead of forcing the defender to run the timer back himself and waste his time after forcing out an attacker, and having the attacker come back after boring him to death, the attacker has to basically start over again if he waits too long and doesn't fight.
That's actually a fantastic idea. Seriously, +1.
I assume that "count down to zero" you mean "count back to the default start state", not "count down and then auto-capture" because the latter would be crazy exploited.
That means if you are chasing an plexer that doesn't want to fight at all, at the very least he's not making any progress while you chase him. |
chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.05 18:12:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Cutout Man wrote:sorry for only reading page 1, but:
why should ANYONE be allowed to AFK combat for system control? AFK plexing should be impossible. why can you afk mine
You can't lock someone out of a station because you mined in the system for 10 hours. |
chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.05 19:53:00 -
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Abannan wrote:Why don't you just make all plexes more difficult the more contested a system is.
Because then plexing becomes more about pve than pvp, and those people running those plexes in contested systems would be more likely to just warp away when you come into a plex than fight. |
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chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:44:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:What we are tolling you guys on, is the fact you wont even defend systems one jump from your homes.
Personally, I would prefer all systems one jump from nenna be caldari owned - then I would get my sweet sweet minmatar LP for plexing in them while still be close to home for fleet ops.
It'll be sad if Immuri/Hikko/Akidagi get taken. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:23:00 -
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Nave Drallig wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:So lame, Allies shouldn't be able to help one another. That's madness! Vaal Erit wrote:Speaking of lame mechanics, I heard that people can exploit the LP mechanics by joining the minmatar faction (who is winning with t4 bonuses) and still run gallente plex to gain minmatar LP, which is worth more because gallente is at t1 right now. Thus gallente can leech off of the victorious minmatar even though they didn't do anything. Or maybe I'm wrong, I haven't tried that yet.
so i am curious how running caldari plex's is assisting your allies??
The caldari militia is at WAR with the minmatar militia. You're hurting the enemy of the minmatar militia. |
chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:42:00 -
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Nave Drallig wrote: ok still dont see me refering to this as an exploit. just pointing out that you are trying to make something sound like your comming to the rescue when in reality your just taking advantage of that "sweet sweet mini LP" as one of your corp mates labeled it earlier.
also Chatgris is a char named Hatgris attached to you at all? caught him afk plexing last night in an altron of all things.
The "exploit" part I was referring to who you quoted.
also, I believe I was the corp mate who called it "sweet sweet minnie LP"
Yes, game mechanics wise I am enjoying the minmatar LP. But the Minmatar are allied with the Gallente, and the Caldari is at war with them both, and I am attacking the Caldari. I see that as a pretty clear "I am attacking the entity that you are at war with, therefore I am helping you".
And I have no idea who Hatgris is, definitely not my alt. This wouldn't be the first time someone has made an alt name close to mine (See Chatgrus). |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:02:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Besides, equalizing downwards by making stuff easier is NOT the direction that belongs in EVE!
This isn't meant to be pve content that's just being made easier: The rats are being adjusted so they do not impede PVP so much.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:10:00 -
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Jones Bones wrote:I guess I honestly don't understand any of the issues you're complaining about. I plex in solo PVP fits all the time. No problems. And I get a ton of kills.
It will be a lot better once they remove EWAR from the rats: I have serious problems running a major in my drake due to the time I spend jammed (often a minute at a time). |
chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:12:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:chatgris wrote:Tobiaz wrote:Besides, equalizing downwards by making stuff easier is NOT the direction that belongs in EVE! This isn't meant to be pve content that's just being made easier: The rats are being adjusted so they do not impede PVP so much. There's nothing wrong with having to fight on a obstacle course.
Try getting a thorax into structure in a thrasher, and then being jammed for 3 full cycles (60s!) unable to do anything but sit there and die :P. |
chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:54:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:Interesting. Alot of the same arguments, issues, problems and concerns that have been made since the inception of faction warfare.
Except now CCP is actually trying to fix the issues, for which myself (and many others) are quite thankful for. |
chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:06:00 -
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Marzuq wrote:The solution is simple. Making all FW NPCs like Sanshas/Sleepers.
All will Scram Neut and Web at infinite range. Do Omnidamage with turrets and missiles. Infinite range turrets and missiles. All NPC's will aggro you once you enter the plex, you will no longer be able to easy mode SB or frigate.
Only Minor Plexes will be doable in a frigate. In higher level sites, a frigate will die in a fire.
All sites will become equally difficult for all sides.
Balance shall be restored.
And all pvp shall cease as well. (Seriously, inifi range neut and web?)
All that's needed is for all rats to be killed. That will automatically balance the size of ship to bring (a frigate may still be able to do it, but it will take longer than another ship with more dps/range). |
chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:25:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Jones Bones wrote:I've soloed majors in a daul prop Vengeance.
I honestly don't get the problems people have with plexing, except of course the ECM.
I can take matar major outposts in navy caracal without much issues. ECM is just a crutch that unskilled people whine about these days since in outposts (where 90% of the plex fights occur anyway) have exactly two jamming NPC's inside them, both in initial spawn. The horror! And for this they want even that removed. Never mind that their plexes have massively better ewar in form npcs where each of them packs a potential damp on you and their cruiser spawns will reduce targeting range to 5km or so in a battlecruiser.
Assuming your analysis is correct, then everyone is going to have better pvp opportunities with this removed ewar. In fact, you'll have better rats on your side (100k+ missile spam vs the guns that miss), and according to you the caldari will benefit more from this change than the gallente.
So why are you complaining? |
chatgris
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:03:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:chatgris wrote:So why are you complaining? Is it not obvious? You whined and had caldari NPC's nerfed to a point of joke. And now CCP finally decides to take action and remove all rats. So for a long time gallente rats had superior wtfpwn ewar while caldari were completely neuted out. So basicly CCP let gallente have another free ride with superior NPC damps since unlike you, we dont go and whine in forums in masse about evil npc's and refuse to plex until CCP holds our hands and nerfs them to kingdom come.
Alright, I thought you were complaining about the upcoming changes removing all ewar.
Well, we do disagree on pre-ewar removal rats (with damps I can still fly close range boats, not so with ECM). But that's a moot point since all ewar is now getting removed. |
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