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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:07:00 -
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Dopified wrote:
You are correct in saying you can chose the fight you want in plexes. The arguement i made in my first forum post was that Gallente and Ammar can not do this with ease as the Minmatar and Caldari can. Again as stated and evidence shown we take alot of incoming damage in a fight. This matters when looking for pvp. A t1 frig that is running a major then turns around and is able to fight inside the major is somewhat of an advantage. I actually lost a firetail to a dram this way the npc's did nothing and the other pilot agreed with me. Funny how even alot of caldari are admitting this openly.
You are expecting NPC's to do the work for you when you shouldn't. I attacked a Ishtar in a Gal lvl 4 mission in a Rupture and I died.. This must mean Cal NPC' s are not so over powered right, not that it was a bad fight to take, regardless of NPC's on the field or not?
You are expecting to beat a Dram in a Firetail just because of NPC aggro?
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:12:00 -
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Alain Colcer wrote:After Reading all pages (and being a bit embarrassed by all the smack happening) i would like to make a review post:
-People have agreed that the timer should restore itself to starting point, when an enemy has been successfully pushed away before its completion. -People have agreed that defensive plexing currently does not offer any reward at all, it should, albeit at a much lower rate than offensive plexing. -People have mentioned they wish FW NPCs behave a bit more intelligent -People have mentioned the idea of making the requirement to clear NPCs first before being able to run the timer (or button) on the complex..
I'm not sure I agree defensive plexing gives no rewards. The lack of individual rewards for defensive plexing seems to be the only thing to provide balance here. I'm not saying I would be against some very small benefit (although I do think you get standings gains) but I think its too early to call this. I would say leave it as is until we have something evidence this is a problem.
I'm not sure people agree that the rats should be more intelligent as in some sort of sleeper ai. In fact I think most agree it shouldn't. I know I have no interest in matching wits with a computer ai and would prefer rats play less of a role in plexing.
As for 1)the timer going down when chased out and 2) killing all the rats I agree there has only been mostly positive responses for those proposals.
Alain Colcer wrote: Now let me add a few other aspects:
1) "Plexing", is an activity that albeit done in groups provide better safety, does not provide increased returns. In fact, fleets of people plexing obtain better results by splitting and running multiple sites simultaneously...
I think that is how it should be. I am against artificial pay increases for doing the same job just because you use more people. If a pilot(s) is/are good enough at pvp to capture a plex with fewer people they should get greater rewards.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:12:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Dopified wrote:
You are correct in saying you can chose the fight you want in plexes. The arguement i made in my first forum post was that Gallente and Ammar can not do this with ease as the Minmatar and Caldari can. Again as stated and evidence shown we take alot of incoming damage in a fight. This matters when looking for pvp. A t1 frig that is running a major then turns around and is able to fight inside the major is somewhat of an advantage. I actually lost a firetail to a dram this way the npc's did nothing and the other pilot agreed with me. Funny how even alot of caldari are admitting this openly.
You are expecting NPC's to do the work for you when you shouldn't. I attacked a Ishtar in a Gal lvl 4 mission in a Rupture and I died.. This must mean Cal NPC' s are not so over powered right, not that it was a bad fight to take, regardless of NPC's on the field or not? You are expecting to beat a Dram in a Firetail just because of NPC aggro?
Hey he has a booster! Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:30:00 -
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Jones Bones wrote:Cearain wrote: If you use a ship that these plexes are meant for, (with a few exceptions) then the rats will do too much damage for you to stay and fight if any wartargets come. That is my main problem with the minmatar rats. Most pvp fits don't work in these plexes. You are stuck with just a few fits. Caracal for the mediums and heavy missile drake for majors - if you want to pvp with the more powerful ships that can enter that plex. (yeah you can use navy cruisers as well but they are a bit too pricey for me, and few enemies will want to fight you when you have one of them anyway.)
/me shrugs I have over 100 kills this month and probably half of them are insides plexes or on the gate of a plex. New system is working as intended IMHO.
We addressed specific issues about major and medium plexes and now you are just back tracking to vague generalities.
I agreed that minor plexes present no real problems for most pvp fits.
By including fights on the gate of a plex you of course won't have problems with npcs.
I can say that I pretty much never run major plexes or get any pvp inside major plexes due to the rats. I mainly just run minors because the mediums and major plexes are too limiting as to what I can fly.
I would guess about 80-90% of my pvp fights are inside plexes. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:52:00 -
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Hopefully with NPC E-war removal people will me more inclined to fight, It will certainly allow me to try plexing majors in ships other than my Ishtar.
Still DPS can be heavy and the fits require heavy tanking specifically against certain resists, I still feel there is a lot to be said for overhauling NPC's.
Again I can run caldari majors in a frigate or assult ship but cannot be set up to PVP at the same time, it is not the fact that it is not possible it is the fact that it is open to farming and does not result in quality gameplay.
In the test sever thread it talked about additions to the LP store there are shirts in the LP stores on sisi I don't remember seeing before 400mill and 400k lp at control level 1, was hoping for something more useful really. |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:01:00 -
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Alticus C Bear wrote:
Again I can run caldari majors in a frigate or assult ship but cannot be set up to PVP at the same time, it is not the fact that it is not possible it is the fact that it is open to farming and does not result in quality gameplay. .
And this is what we call the give and take
Go run it in a pvp ship then or go into mediums instead.
And there is a thing called burning BEHIND the warpin so you dont get aggro.......... Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:59:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Alticus C Bear wrote:
Again I can run caldari majors in a frigate or assult ship but cannot be set up to PVP at the same time, it is not the fact that it is not possible it is the fact that it is open to farming and does not result in quality gameplay. .
And this is what we call the give and take Go run it in a pvp ship then or go into mediums instead. And there is a thing called burning BEHIND the warpin so you dont get aggro.......... 10k LP/minor is 5 to 80 million isk depending on Warzone Control Level.
1 day alt? 30 to 480 million isk/hour. Priceless!
Only you Bolsterbomb don't see a problem with that. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.13 00:36:00 -
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You know, I think I might be changing my mind on the 'clearing all rats to cap a plex' idea.
Mainly I'm changing my mind because plexing is pretty much the only way I'm making ISK in EVE right now. I used to just buy PLEXes with real money, but now I just plex a system, move plex another system, move back and keep going.
Then again, the only way that I can actually plex majors is because of a well fit dual prop incursus and not a 1 day old alt. I do mind alts with almost no training to do the same thing. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.13 00:48:00 -
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I personally think the FW specific aspects of the latest "update" are absolute garbage.
CCP took the most boring, painful and utterly flawed aspect of FW...and now made it the central aspect of "control".
Should have fixed plexing - rat "balance", glitches, capping - looooong before they made this terribad mechanic as "important" as they did. Glad they're "interested" now......kinda late tbh......
Personally for me...I can't stand the way the game plays now. 3 years of FW for this.... |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.13 02:15:00 -
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But... the KILLS!!!! -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.06.13 08:55:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:I personally think the FW specific aspects of the latest "update" are absolute garbage.
CCP took the most boring, painful and utterly flawed aspect of FW...and now made it the central aspect of "control".
Should have fixed plexing - rat "balance", glitches, capping - looooong before they made this terribad mechanic as "important" as they did. Glad they're "interested" now......kinda late tbh......
Personally for me...I can't stand the way the game plays now. 3 years of FW for this....
You aren't the only one.. On one hand I like that it's easier to get fights in plexes, but the reality of that is, it's usually just defensive plexes that get the PVP.
If I go to an offensive plex almost no one comes to chase me off or fight, unless its in a very busy system. Two days ago I ran 4 minors (40 mins) with war targets coming in and out of system and it took till the 5th plex to have a fight.
Meanwhile if I go chase a war target out of a plex & defend it, there is a better chance that I might get a fight, because I'm chasing him off his ISK farming and he's gonna call for help.
IE... plexing right now just favors ISK farming and fighting typically comes if someone forces the fight by defending. Yet defenders get nothing for this while the PVE bears get rich.
As far as the whole making FW revolve around PVE & Sov War thing, it's already starting to have it's bad affects show up, with space Hitlers trying to tell everyone what to do. |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:33:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:I personally think the FW specific aspects of the latest "update" are absolute garbage.
CCP took the most boring, painful and utterly flawed aspect of FW...and now made it the central aspect of "control".
Should have fixed plexing - rat "balance", glitches, capping - looooong before they made this terribad mechanic as "important" as they did. Glad they're "interested" now......kinda late tbh......
Personally for me...I can't stand the way the game plays now. 3 years of FW for this....
I think the change is an improvement, at the very least you now get a wider array of fight opportunities with a lot of solo or small gangs running plexes, in all kinds of systems (really a dream for solo roaming). The problem is, there isn't enough of a disincentive for someone running a plex to engage should someone come in and contest their plex.
Plexes right now are a pretty good carrot on a stick to get players out into low sec and the sheer spike in interest is probably the biggest contributor to the high kill count for the month. There is definitely room for iteration, including the removal of EWAR, adding tactical variation, and improving the capture mechanic. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:02:00 -
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Strange I always thought plexing was the only aspect to system control. It just means something now. Exactly what we (the FW community) asked for.
Cromwell Savage wrote:I personally think the FW specific aspects of the latest "update" are absolute garbage.
CCP took the most boring, painful and utterly flawed aspect of FW...and now made it the central aspect of "control".
While I agree these are annoying bugs and rat balance is way off, if a game feature is ****, what does it matter is it works properly? Now that they have revised the FW system balancing the rats is a logical next step, which they seem to be doing.
Cromwell Savage wrote: Should have fixed plexing - rat "balance", glitches, capping - looooong before they made this terribad mechanic as "important" as they did. Glad they're "interested" now......kinda late tbh.......
This confuses me, this is a sandbox, you are never forced to play the game a certain way. Still not sure what you are upset about but if its plexing, then do not plex.
Cromwell Savage wrote: Personally for me...I can't stand the way the game plays now. 3 years of FW for this....
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Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:31:00 -
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Sorry...I asked for very little of what was actually implemented.
Plexes to have "meaning" - sure, but not like this - not by a long shot. I was not in favor of denying docking rights, especially like this, in the least. Not plexing is always an option (I don't have to rely on FW LP to fund my PvP) ...until your station system becomes endagered. Sure, not an issue for us in Nenna right now, but it will at some point. I don't like the fact that most of the squids moved back to frikkin hi-sec after it took so long to get them to move out in the first place - lol.
Docking rights and LP for plexing have done nothing for dealing with/limiting farming alts (i.e. the 'old' cloaky missioners who never fought). IMHO, it's worse now than before.
Ship changes and LP for kills are great changes, but everything associated with plexing - especially before the mechanic itself has been fixed - is borked. I don't have the "lust" to play this game like I had before the patch. I took a few days off to watch a mini-series on TV (was during my prime-time Eve time) and found myself not really hankering to get back like I have been in the past. The whole "feel" of the game is off for me since the patch.
I don't know...just not on board with the direction this has us going... |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:20:00 -
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If the cost of more pew is the loss of massive numbers of systems to afk plexing alts, then I'm all for it. Hopefully the influence of no-skill alts (both offensive and defensive) will be nerfed out of the war at some point. |
Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:05:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:If the cost of more pew is the loss of massive numbers of systems to afk plexing alts, then I'm all for it. Hopefully the influence of no-skill alts (both offensive and defensive) will be nerfed out of the war at some point.
You'll pry my EZ Mode LP making alts from my cold, dead hands.
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