...We currently are looking at NPCs in the FW complexes. The plan is to remove all NPCs doing EW in all factions to equalize difficulty a bit. We won't touch the missile spam for now however as most of the NPCs are used in missions as well, but this should help a bit until we get into a proper iteration of this for this winter. This also won't apply for FW missions, only FW complexes for now.

We also are looking into an issue that prevents FW complexes from despawning properly, which in turn prevents new sites from spawning until the next downtime. Estimated time for such changes is to have them out as soon as possible (sorry, can't give estimate though, still working on them as we speak).

Hope that helps a bit.

Lot's of bitching

Despite what you may think, we actually are listening to feedback, which is why we are taking personal time that should be spent on other projects right now (like ship balancing for example, that affects a far larger section of the player base) to look at NPC balancing and complex bug fixing.

Ok; where to start?


We know it must be frustrating to be stuck in a set of feature mechanics that yes, seriously suck for years and have the development team ignore you for a long while. Hell, if I was in your situation I would probably be as bitter as you are right now.

However, that is no reason to be plainly offensive or disrespectful in your feedback. Believe it or not, we actually care about Factional Warfare state, which is why we have been willing to iterate on it. We even pleaded, argued long and hard to have this feature looked up again for Inferno and this winter to make sure we would fix it properly before moving on to other things.

Despite what you may think, we actually are listening to feedback, which is why we are taking personal time that should be spent on other projects right now (like ship balancing for example, that affects a far larger section of the player base) to look at NPC balancing and complex bug fixing.

Yes, plexing could be perfected, and it's quite easy to bash developers non-stop and throw a tantrum when you don't get things your way, but in reality things are different. We have a lot of pressure coming from different parties to do other stuff as well, we have various projects we have to follow, team is busy cleaning defects from Inferno, and without to say summer vacations are coming as well. Thus totally revamping FW sites with complex mechanics and AI is just plain not possible for now. And I said "for now" because we really want to keep iterating when we get the manpower back to do so this winter.

So I will be plainly honest, we feel your pain and we have put personal extra hours to alleviate it and try to make you happy, because we care as much as you do, possibly more. We do not expect a grand applause or feast in our honor because, as you said, things are still far from being balanced right now, but we at least expect some respect and proper constructive comments in the feedback you give us.

So we would please ask to keep the discussion civil, it is not because we are CCP employees we have to be treated like some kind of stray dogs. If this is the kind of reward for investing ourselves so much here we may as well work in another feature for the time being.


Thank you.

Ok; where to start?


We know it must be frustrating to be stuck in a set of feature mechanics that yes, seriously suck for years and have the development team ignore you for a long while. Hell, if I was in your situation I would probably be as bitter as you are right now.

However, that is no reason to be plainly offensive or disrespectful in your feedback. Believe it or not, we actually care about Factional Warfare state, which is why we have been willing to iterate on it. We even pleaded, argued long and hard to have this feature looked up again for Inferno and this winter to make sure we would fix it properly before moving on to other things.

Despite what you may think, we actually are listening to feedback, which is why we are taking personal time that should be spent on other projects right now (like ship balancing for example, that affects a far larger section of the player base) to look at NPC balancing and complex bug fixing.

Yes, plexing could be perfected, and it's quite easy to bash developers non-stop and throw a tantrum when you don't get things your way, but in reality things are different. We have a lot of pressure coming from different parties to do other stuff as well, we have various projects we have to follow, team is busy cleaning defects from Inferno, and without to say summer vacations are coming as well. Thus totally revamping FW sites with complex mechanics and AI is just plain not possible for now. And I said "for now" because we really want to keep iterating when we get the manpower back to do so this winter.

So I will be plainly honest, we feel your pain and we have put personal extra hours to alleviate it and try to make you happy, because we care as much as you do, possibly more. We do not expect a grand applause or feast in our honor because, as you said, things are still far from being balanced right now, but we at least expect some respect and proper constructive comments in the feedback you give us.

So we would please ask to keep the discussion civil, it is not because we are CCP employees we have to be treated like some kind of stray dogs. If this is the kind of reward for investing ourselves so much here we may as well work in another feature for the time being.


Thank you.

Good info

hi, this is my trading alt, i have other alts (2 per faction) for running FW missions for ALL 4 factions,
about the prices you will see here: i trade with FW ships and some modules, cos its the most profitable (in terms of volume of isk that turns around) item from LP store, all the hulls/chips bought on jita, all FW ships/moduls/items sold on jita.


the prices right now:
typhoon fi 270 mil
navy geddon 300 mil
navy domi 500 mil
navy scorp 350 mil

my problem is this:

FW missions are profitable for only 1 faction right now (look at the prices up) , and its all cos of this LP store prices. the situation in gall/cal war sucks for both sides as far as LP store is in question cos 1 domi or scorp cost 600.000 LP, both sides DO NOT find upgrading systems profitable cos ATM its just waste of LP, so both sides are on T1, and mabe for a short time one side is on T2 but that does not last long.
the basic ISK/LP income was around 1500-2000 ISK/ 1LP so the prices for domi and scorp should be like around 1 billion ISK - for a single navy faction ship no way.

as far as the market crashing thats not gna happen - fleet typhoon in not going to drop under 200 mil ever. and navy geddon in never ever hitting 1 billion. if you look at the volumes of ships being sold/bought fleet typhoon is on the bottom of the scale.



if you do FW missions you get more LP you get more items for less LP, compared to HI sec mission running, or LVL 5 missions, but there are downsides main being much higher risk and a big downgrade to character standing to oposing faction. now with current FW LP store system, running missions for 3 out of 4 factions is not profitable at all.
so now you have the risk without the profit when doing FW missions, my question is whats the up side to this new system as far as the mission running is in question

Hey,

We currently are looking at NPCs in the FW complexes. The plan is to remove all NPCs doing EW in all factions to equalize difficulty a bit. We won't touch the missile spam for now however as most of the NPCs are used in missions as well, but this should help a bit until we get into a proper iteration of this for this winter. This also won't apply for FW missions, only FW complexes for now.

We also are looking into an issue that prevents FW complexes from despawning properly, which in turn prevents new sites from spawning until the next downtime. Estimated time for such changes is to have them out as soon as possible (sorry, can't give estimate though, still working on them as we speak).


Hope that helps a bit.

Ok; where to start?


We know it must be frustrating to be stuck in a set of feature mechanics that yes, seriously suck for years and have the development team ignore you for a long while. Hell, if I was in your situation I would probably be as bitter as you are right now.

Ok; where to start?


We know it must be frustrating to be stuck in a set of feature mechanics that yes, seriously suck for years and have the development team ignore you for a long while. Hell, if I was in your situation I would probably be as bitter as you are right now.

However, that is no reason to be plainly offensive or disrespectful in your feedback. Believe it or not, we actually care about Factional Warfare state, which is why we have been willing to iterate on it. We even pleaded, argued long and hard to have this feature looked up again for Inferno and this winter to make sure we would fix it properly before moving on to other things.

Despite what you may think, we actually are listening to feedback, which is why we are taking personal time that should be spent on other projects right now (like ship balancing for example, that affects a far larger section of the player base) to look at NPC balancing and complex bug fixing.

Yes, plexing could be perfected, and it's quite easy to bash developers non-stop and throw a tantrum when you don't get things your way, but in reality things are different. We have a lot of pressure coming from different parties to do other stuff as well, we have various projects we have to follow, team is busy cleaning defects from Inferno, and without to say summer vacations are coming as well. Thus totally revamping FW sites with complex mechanics and AI is just plain not possible for now. And I said "for now" because we really want to keep iterating when we get the manpower back to do so this winter.

So I will be plainly honest, we feel your pain and we have put personal extra hours to alleviate it and try to make you happy, because we care as much as you do, possibly more. We do not expect a grand applause or feast in our honor because, as you said, things are still far from being balanced right now, but we at least expect some respect and proper constructive comments in the feedback you give us.

So we would please ask to keep the discussion civil, it is not because we are CCP employees we have to be treated like some kind of stray dogs. If this is the kind of reward for investing ourselves so much here we may as well work in another feature for the time being.


Thank you.

I will agree that the LP hit was a tad harsh. I found that it's not as, or even, profitable anymore to sell the things I sold from the LP store and now I just use it as a resupply dock when I need certain things. If that is the way CCP wants to roll though I guess we'll just have to deal.

Just because CCP hasn't given you the resources to work on FW as you might have wanted doesn't mean that the product that was put out was any less shoddy. That's where most of the anger has come from: a deeply flawed product. And mainly it's because you represent CCP in this area that it's directed at you. Not because of anything personal, but because you're CCP Ytterbium

Regardless of whether I agree with your assessment of the current state of the product, asking people to remain civil while giving feedback is hardly an unfair request. Doing so is better for all parties involved.

Hey,

We currently are looking at NPCs in the FW complexes. The plan is to remove all NPCs doing EW in all factions to equalize difficulty a bit. We won't touch the missile spam for now however as most of the NPCs are used in missions as well, but this should help a bit until we get into a proper iteration of this for this winter. This also won't apply for FW missions, only FW complexes for now.

We also are looking into an issue that prevents FW complexes from despawning properly, which in turn prevents new sites from spawning until the next downtime. Estimated time for such changes is to have them out as soon as possible (sorry, can't give estimate though, still working on them as we speak).


Hope that helps a bit.

It astounds me how the usual suspects in the Caldari militia countinue to say things that everyone, including themselves, knows aren't true.

Hey,

We currently are looking at NPCs in the FW complexes. The plan is to remove all NPCs doing EW in all factions to equalize difficulty a bit. We won't touch the missile spam for now however as most of the NPCs are used in missions as well, but this should help a bit until we get into a proper iteration of this for this winter. This also won't apply for FW missions, only FW complexes for now.

Thanks for everything!

Removing EW helps PVP out quite a bit. However, the missile spam vs non-missile spam still allows the side not facing missiles to pretty much afk run plexes with very very low skill alts, EW was never an issue there because those characters are not intended to engage in pvp.

But every little bit helps!

Removing EW helps PVP out quite a bit. However, the missile spam vs non-missile spam still allows the side not facing missiles to pretty much afk run plexes with very very low skill alts, EW was never an issue there because those characters are not intended to engage in pvp...

Maybe for a short term solution. Add missile spaming npc's to all FW plexes. To the level that the caldari have in thier plexes. This would solve the problem in the short term until you guys address it in the long run. In all honesty EW NPC's are doing good. What makes it hard is the missile spams. This would solve the afk plexing problems of new alts. Just my two cents.

I'm sure the devs are smarter than me, but I see two potential short term solutions.
1. Yours: Add missile spaming npc's to all FW plexes.
2. Require all NPCs in a plex be killed.

3) I run majors when im going for LP in a malediction. Even going 5k a sec I still take dings. I know you can do the same in caldari plexes as well. The missions for gallente are always speed tanked with an inty. I haven't seen afk condors running around speed tanking majors. They do speed tank minors and mediums but the gallente can do that as well.

I have thought of that and saw Superchair's post about it. Good idea one problem i see is that the plex bug might come into affect. If they can not get it closed for normal purposes then maybe adding the change of killing NPC's to close it will be a catastophe. Just saying