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Dopified
Quantum Cats Syndicate
22
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:27:00 -
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Julius I do like your plan with the timer. But i feel that the damage dealt in certain plexes should be or how it is dealt in certain plexes also needs to be addressed but i do like you plan with the timer.
Just to add on what if a defender is in the plex defensive plexing and a war target chases him out or pie do you think the timer should count back to 0? |
Julius Foederatus
Hyper-Nova
94
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:43:00 -
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That idea was just in response to XG's post I quoted originally. It's definitely not the end all solution to the NPC balance woes.
I don't really think it would be too bad if it also affected defensive plexes. Probably would be easier to code as well. However, part of me feels there should be some sort of defender's advantage, so maybe it would be good on just offensive plexes. To be honest though, I do lean towards having it for both offensive and defensive ends of the plexing spectrum. |
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.06.05 22:11:00 -
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I have soloed some Caldari Majors with the new Incurses on the test server however on Tranquillity I prefer minor plexes with a PVP fit (I am rubbish anyway so the enemy really have nothing to worry about)
If someone really does not want to fight I am not sure even the timer change or forcing them to ship up would make them, the rewards for PVP need to be greater or something more fundamental needs to change with timers and NPCGÇÖs. Extra LP for PVP within a plex, timer deductions for kills or perhaps it needs some form of loss mitigation such as and increased pay-out for ship loss while in a plex.
As stated earlier consequences for not engaging, maybe standing losses if you start a plex and then it is lost. Also if the timer is to count down by itself and you want to defend as well then perhaps it should go down even faster.
Defensive plexing needs some form of reward; even if it is small I support the LP restore to the hub ideas being touted. Should defensive plexing trigger enemy NPC spawns if you are the only ship in the plex (especially at higher contested percentages) at least there would be more of an activity to it, but more NPCGÇÖs does not really sound like the way to go.
Removing all E-war I worry will just make Gallente (and Amarr) complexes even easier, the NPCGÇÖs already cannot hit the side of a station door and would now not even provide e-war assistance. In some ways I have learnt to deal with ECM, drones ftw.
If they are looking for Gallente style missile NPCGÇÖs then I remember some missile Celestis in the Gallente Epic arc. (ItGÇÖs the microwarpdriving Hypes that are really scary in those missions though)
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Mirana Niranne
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc. Monkeys with Guns.
4
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Posted - 2012.06.05 22:17:00 -
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Dopified, it works like this.
Caldari outnumber us by something like 2000 pilots, yet we still kill more of them than they kill of us.
You talk about leveling the playing field, well then I think the argument is that if you make things fair, we'll really start bending them over.
I mean, I was engaged last night by a SPROT Raven with light launchers, nanos and 100m plates. I'm looking at the guy's fit and thinking to myself, thank GOD they have an easier time plexing, or they'd all probably get frustrated and quit from being overtaxed.
So forgive the caldari for needing the plexing advantage. If they were forced to, you know, PVP, things might swing in our favor, and that's unacceptable and unbalanced. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
226
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Posted - 2012.06.05 23:54:00 -
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Dopified wrote:Cearain wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:Abannan wrote:I can't think of any other way of getting aroudn the afk plexing alts apart from making the plexes progressivly harder. Just have to decide which is the lesser of two evils It's quite easy: require the destruction of the NPCs. ....no one reads..... Flying for amarr I typically have to kill all the npcs in the plexes I am in, and it still seems like pve to me. They know, they just dont want to lose the advantage that they hold. I am with gallente and ammar because it is uneven. I still say put missile spams in our plexes then lets see who whines on these forum post. I bet the ammar and gallente would just not post at all or troll because it would be even. EVEN.
You guys would just complain about something else not being fair. I still find it funny that in a few weeks since the patch Gals have gone from trolling Caldari because you expected to get a easy win after the FW update to complaining about losing and blaming it on NPC's.
You guys need to get off your asses and fight back. You guys are very lazy and unwilling to leave your blob behind.. That is why you are losing. The war front has changed and your blobs & sitting in 1 or 2 system with 30 or 40 of your closest buddies, will not help you.
The unexpected truth of the new plexing system is it has given a buff to smaller gang fighting, something Caldari has been doing for quite some time now. Caldari aren't running around with AFK condors farming plexes, winning the war with noob alts.. The bulk of Caldari's I see out are running minors in Dessies/frigs with PVP fits and fighting over plexes vs the few Gals that show up or local pies.
Gals on other hand sit in their home system do almost no defense and cry on forums about NPC's being unfair expecting to just undock 20 or 30 guys to chase a random noob, thinking that will win the war for them.
The simple fact is, you are now losing because you are lazy.. Not because of NPC's or noob alts farming plexes. |
Nave Drallig
Astra Enterprises Happy Endings
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:25:00 -
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Flying for amarr I typically have to kill all the npcs in the plexes I am in, and it still seems like pve to me. [/quote]
They know, they just dont want to lose the advantage that they hold. I am with gallente and ammar because it is uneven. I still say put missile spams in our plexes then lets see who whines on these forum post. I bet the ammar and gallente would just not post at all or troll because it would be even. EVEN.[/quote]
You guys would just complain about something else not being fair. I still find it funny that in a few weeks since the patch Gals have gone from trolling Caldari because you expected to get a easy win after the FW update to complaining about losing and blaming it on NPC's.
You guys need to get off your asses and fight back. You guys are very lazy and unwilling to leave your blob behind.. That is why you are losing. The war front has changed and your blobs & sitting in 1 or 2 system with 30 or 40 of your closest buddies, will not help you.
The unexpected truth of the new plexing system is it has given a buff to smaller gang fighting, something Caldari has been doing for quite some time now. Caldari aren't running around with AFK condors farming plexes, winning the war with noob alts.. The bulk of Caldari's I see out are running minors in Dessies/frigs with PVP fits and fighting over plexes vs the few Gals that show up or local pies.
Gals on other hand sit in their home system do almost no defense and cry on forums about NPC's being unfair expecting to just undock 20 or 30 guys to chase a random noob, thinking that will win the war for them.
The simple fact is, you are now losing because you are lazy.. Not because of NPC's or noob alts farming plexes.[/quote]
Completely agree... we were rolling in a fleet of 8 BC or lower ships in nen area and we couldnt even get them to undock. and they complain about afk plex farmers.....0.o
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
22
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:27:00 -
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Dear Gallente,
The Caldari are gonna take all your systems.
Yours Faithfully, IbanezLaney Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Nave Drallig
Astra Enterprises Happy Endings
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:34:00 -
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NOM NOM NOM... these system's taste like elitist pvp tears to anyone else? |
Commissar Veldt
Progressive State State Section 9
15
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:39:00 -
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Whether or not one faction has the advantage over others, it doesnt seem to have stopped the Federation in having a great deal of success. You have managed to remove the State Protectorate entirely from Enaluri (and hold the system), capture numerous strategic station systems in Black Rise (and hold them) and can rally highly organised fleets to successfully defend/capture complexes. My point being that even if it is un-balanced, it cant be so much that it is stopping the disadvantaged side from not only participating, but also succeeding in Faction Warfare. I dont have a Gallente alt and have never captured Minmatar complexes so I can not say that dopfied is definately right or horribly wrong. I am sure that Faction Warfare and complexes can be improved further with more fixes/tweaks/adjustments on all sides but to treat it as a dramatically un-balanced feature of EVE is perhaps a bit too over the top? As I said, the Federation still get good results in Militia overall so hopefully CCP will take this into account before making any major changes.
I do hope this 'temporary re-balancing' removal of electronic warfare isnt the start of a new trend... Im sure nobody would enjoy all having to fly the same ship types into generic complex #03 to destroy the same NPC's/pilots who use the same turrets to hit for the same damage type just so we can all sit comfortably in the knowledge that we are all on a completely equal playing field... I dont have a Gallente alt and have never captured Minmatar complexes so I am not saying that you are right or wrong Dopified. You still make a fair point and CCP have obviously heard this argument quite a lot of times. I am sure there is room for some more changes in Faction Warfare (there always is right?) but I just think the evidence offered from killboards (QCATS recent achievement), systems contested/occupied and my own personal experiences in militia (getting raped on a regular basis by your pilots) says that this issue is perhaps being blown slightly out of proportion by the general militia forum populace?
Let me please add that I am not against having the EW re-balanced in complexes at all.
Anyway, from a Caldari point of view, there is one bonus to having EW removed from complexes... I can finally stop wasting a mid slot on a sensor booster. Extra Invul Field II anyone?
Veldt |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
212
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Posted - 2012.06.06 01:41:00 -
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Commissar Veldt wrote:
A lot of stuff that makes perfect sense.
WIsh we'd see more balanced opinions like yours rather than everyone either screaming end of the world or working as intended. If you ever decide to leave caldari, your app to S0TF would have a p good shot. |
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
457
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:19:00 -
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Commissar Veldt wrote:I do hope this 'temporary re-balancing' removal of electronic warfare isnt the start of a new trend... Im sure nobody would enjoy all having to fly the same ship types into generic complex #03 to destroy the same NPC's/pilots who use the same turrets to hit for the same damage type just so we can all sit comfortably in the knowledge that we are all on a completely equal playing field... \
Unless you fly for more than one militia you basically get this now.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
256
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Posted - 2012.06.06 04:30:00 -
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Mutnin wrote: The simple fact is, you are now losing because you are lazy.. Not because of NPC's or noob alts farming plexes.
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the 7 Caldari systems we still dominate. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
176
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Posted - 2012.06.06 04:49:00 -
[163] - Quote
Combination of "Kill them All!" requirement, removal of the bug generator and the timer band-aid Julius suggested: Post 31 of this thread
Solves most current plex/NPC balance issues, but will probably need quite a lot of Dev time so probably won't happen .. at least not until they set about expanding FW to include MOAR! factions (ie. Thar be Pirates!).
Mirana Niranne wrote:Caldari outnumber us by something like 2000 pilots, yet we still kill more of them than they kill of us... And in case of World War III the Chinese outnumber the US by one billion, right? The militia enrolment numbers has absolutely nothing to do with what is active/in space so for your own good, don't going down that blind alley in the future
Commissar Veldt wrote:...on fear of homogeneous gameplay... If we were to get a properly nuanced AI, then the NPCs themselves could be as powerful as Jove/Concord. Since the AI is lacking axing eWar is the only reliable way to ensure that they have as little say as possible in the plex pew (short of despawning them which would be abused to high heaven ).
Add your thoughts/concerns to the FW Plex NPC thread in the Features&Ideas forum sticky (goes for everyone else for that matter). |
Yuri Szarkhov
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:53:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Mutnin wrote: The simple fact is, you are now losing because you are lazy.. Not because of NPC's or noob alts farming plexes.
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the 7 Caldari systems we still dominate.
Thought it was twelve?
Oh, sorry, that was a few days ago. My mistake. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
256
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:03:00 -
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Yuri Szarkhov wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Mutnin wrote: The simple fact is, you are now losing because you are lazy.. Not because of NPC's or noob alts farming plexes.
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the 7 Caldari systems we still dominate. Thought it was twelve? Oh, sorry, that was a few days ago. My mistake. When it gets to minus 1 you can say you're winning. Until then you're still losing. |
Yuri Szarkhov
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:38:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Yuri Szarkhov wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Mutnin wrote: The simple fact is, you are now losing because you are lazy.. Not because of NPC's or noob alts farming plexes.
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the 7 Caldari systems we still dominate. Thought it was twelve? Oh, sorry, that was a few days ago. My mistake. When it gets to minus 1 you can say you're winning. Until then you're still losing.
Winning is in the momentum, which we certainly have. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
189
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Posted - 2012.06.06 08:10:00 -
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Yuri Szarkhov wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Yuri Szarkhov wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Mutnin wrote: The simple fact is, you are now losing because you are lazy.. Not because of NPC's or noob alts farming plexes.
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the 7 Caldari systems we still dominate. Thought it was twelve? Oh, sorry, that was a few days ago. My mistake. When it gets to minus 1 you can say you're winning. Until then you're still losing. Winning is in the momentum, which we certainly have.
Enjoy it well ya got it I guess. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship.......... |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
154
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Posted - 2012.06.06 09:27:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Yuri Szarkhov wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Mutnin wrote: The simple fact is, you are now losing because you are lazy.. Not because of NPC's or noob alts farming plexes.
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the 7 Caldari systems we still dominate. Thought it was twelve? Oh, sorry, that was a few days ago. My mistake. When it gets to minus 1 you can say you're winning. Until then you're still losing.
that does not take long. |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
172
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Posted - 2012.06.06 11:32:00 -
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Confirming Minmatar can now capture an Amarr Major Plex with an afterburner fitted armor repping rifter.
Whereby taking on a minmatar Major plex with anything less than a drake or at least two pilots is a lost cause.
Please fix this. |
Dopified
Quantum Cats Syndicate
22
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:40:00 -
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Nave Drallig wrote:
Flying for amarr I typically have to kill all the npcs in the plexes I am in, and it still seems like pve to me.
They know, they just dont want to lose the advantage that they hold. I am with gallente and ammar because it is uneven. I still say put missile spams in our plexes then lets see who whines on these forum post. I bet the ammar and gallente would just not post at all or troll because it would be even. EVEN.[/quote]
You guys would just complain about something else not being fair. I still find it funny that in a few weeks since the patch Gals have gone from trolling Caldari because you expected to get a easy win after the FW update to complaining about losing and blaming it on NPC's.
You guys need to get off your asses and fight back. You guys are very lazy and unwilling to leave your blob behind.. That is why you are losing. The war front has changed and your blobs & sitting in 1 or 2 system with 30 or 40 of your closest buddies, will not help you.
The unexpected truth of the new plexing system is it has given a buff to smaller gang fighting, something Caldari has been doing for quite some time now. Caldari aren't running around with AFK condors farming plexes, winning the war with noob alts.. The bulk of Caldari's I see out are running minors in Dessies/frigs with PVP fits and fighting over plexes vs the few Gals that show up or local pies.
Gals on other hand sit in their home system do almost no defense and cry on forums about NPC's being unfair expecting to just undock 20 or 30 guys to chase a random noob, thinking that will win the war for them.
The simple fact is, you are now losing because you are lazy.. Not because of NPC's or noob alts farming plexes.[/quote]
Completely agree... we were rolling in a fleet of 8 BC or lower ships in nen area and we couldnt even get them to undock. and they complain about afk plex farmers.....0.o [/quote]
This is a pretty funny comment especially from a NC DOT group that has come to Caldari Militia and then super blobbed the Gal's. I mean well done for the attack boys but then you go and post up that we blob I mean come on WOW. |
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Dopified
Quantum Cats Syndicate
22
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:02:00 -
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Commissar Veldt wrote:Whether or not one faction has the advantage over others, it doesnt seem to have stopped the Federation in having a great deal of success. You have managed to remove the State Protectorate entirely from Enaluri (and hold the system), capture numerous strategic station systems in Black Rise (and hold them) and can rally highly organised fleets to successfully defend/capture complexes. My point being that even if it is un-balanced, it cant be so much that it is stopping the disadvantaged side from not only participating, but also succeeding in Faction Warfare. I dont have a Gallente alt and have never captured Minmatar complexes so I can not say that dopfied is definately right or horribly wrong. I am sure that Faction Warfare and complexes can be improved further with more fixes/tweaks/adjustments on all sides but to treat it as a dramatically un-balanced feature of EVE is perhaps a bit too over the top? As I said, the Federation still get good results in Militia overall so hopefully CCP will take this into account before making any major changes.
I do hope this 'temporary re-balancing' removal of electronic warfare isnt the start of a new trend... Im sure nobody would enjoy all having to fly the same ship types into generic complex #03 to destroy the same NPC's/pilots who use the same turrets to hit for the same damage type just so we can all sit comfortably in the knowledge that we are all on a completely equal playing field... Dopified, you have made a fair point and CCP have obviously heard this argument quite a lot of times by the sound of it. I am sure there is room for some more changes in Faction Warfare (there always is right?) but I just think the evidence offered from killboards (QCATS recent achievement), systems contested/occupied and my own personal experiences in militia (getting raped on a regular basis by your pilots) says that this issue is perhaps being blown slightly out of proportion by the general militia forum populace?
Let me please add that I am not against having the EW re-balanced in complexes at all.
Anyway, from a Caldari point of view, there is one bonus to having EW removed from complexes... I can finally stop wasting a mid slot on a sensor booster. Extra Invul Field II anyone?
Veldt
I can understand your position on this and actually respect you for stating actual truths here. The point that I am trying to make is that it is unbalanced. It should not be the job of CCP to make it easier or harder for one side of faction warefare. No matter how little of an advantage or disadvantage you think it is. The advantage should always come from THE PLAYER. Some of us in militia have put forth an effort and have given ourselves the advantage by tactics and hard work. When it comes to plexes and NEW mechanics, when a caldari can run a major plex in a pvp fit t1 frig deep in gallente space or close turn around and be ready to fight us is unfair. Gallente cannot go into a caldari MAJOR plex with this and have the option of fighting afterwards or even in the plex as stated and shown in my first post. Lets also get it straight I have posted that EW NPC's are not the problem. I think they are a great idea. The problem is the incoming Damage for the gallente with missile spams. No matter how much we speed tank a major you take massive amounts of damage thus having very few options when fitting a ship to run plexes, thus in turn alot of people can not go out sit in a plex and when a fight comes along be ready to engage anytime. With station lockouts we cannot move past our lines and pvp effectively thus the reason why some of our guys dont go 2-3 jumps past thier home when plexing and pvping. STATION LOCKOUT MEANS WE CANNOT RESHIP EASY TO FIGHT WHEN YOU DO COME.
If the gallente start losing and it is shown that the caldari start winning in PVP and PLEXING would you advocate for the caldari to swap the plexing mechanics thus giving gallente speed tanking so that they can have an advantage and caldari to take massive missiles spams???? Is this what i am hearing? Again I do not think it is CCP's place to give advantages to one side or the other, it needs to be equal in all regards. The advantage SHOULD ALWAYS BE PLAYER ACHIEVED.
Veldt gets respect from me even though i am not on the same page with this idea. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
256
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:04:00 -
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Yuri Szarkhov wrote:Winning is in the momentum, which we certainly have. Redefining words is something you certainly do. |
BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
76
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:14:00 -
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Once again.....your systems are not being lost to npc types. Dopified might sit and say "you have an advantage" but the truth is no one in gallente side is willing to put the time into capturing systems or defending it.
If you want to complain about NPC differences maybe we should start complaining about LP rewards and them not "being balanced"
The term "afk plexing" cannot be used for mediums and majors. IF someone were truly afk plexing you should have no problem killing them. The fact that they leave when you come in confirms they are not afk plexing.
I do not understand why this is hard to comprehend (for dopified I do understand why he cant comprehend it) but the others.
You are saying you are losing your systems because of a NPC difference......that YOU have nothing in your aresenal of weapons or ideas to counter a condor (which I still have yet to see) taking an entire system all on his own. I forgot those condor pilots are the ones taking ACTIVE systems....... Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
9
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:37:00 -
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Dopified wrote:thus giving gallente speed tanking so that they can have an advantage and caldari to take massive missiles spams???? Is this what i am hearing? Again I do not think it is CCP's place to give advantages to one side or the other, it needs to be equal in all regards. The advantage SHOULD ALWAYS BE PLAYER ACHIEVED.
You have simply argued that you dont want AFK plexing with no skill alts (and no, I have not seen condors speed tanking either) and think that speed tanking is wrong because it can be done. Yet I have not yet heard you say single bad word about that low-skilled afk tanking incursus pilots coming from gallente side.
How do these differ from each other? Is "active tanking" more manly option of afking than "speed tanking" and thus justified? It's not like any t1 vanilla t1 frigate stays in a fight in a plex anyway if it's tanking full npc spawn at the same time (unless it's something like Bantam coming to attack it) |
Dopified
Quantum Cats Syndicate
23
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:38:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Once again.....your systems are not being lost to npc types. Dopified might sit and say "you have an advantage" but the truth is no one in gallente side is willing to put the time into capturing systems or defending it. If you want to complain about NPC differences maybe we should start complaining about LP rewards and them not "being balanced" The term "afk plexing" cannot be used for mediums and majors. IF someone were truly afk plexing you should have no problem killing them. The fact that they leave when you come in confirms they are not afk plexing. I do not understand why this is hard to comprehend (for dopified I do understand why he cant comprehend it) but the others. You are saying you are losing your systems because of a NPC difference......that YOU have nothing in your aresenal of weapons or ideas to counter a condor (which I still have yet to see) taking an entire system all on his own. I forgot those condor pilots are the ones taking ACTIVE systems.......
Well I can only fault myself for answering this with wasted time. Lets see what AFK Plexing means. Yes it is if you walk away from your keyboard and dont look at it. BUT AFK plexing is also when you hit the orbit button and DO NOTHING for the rest of the time there. If you just fold your arms and watch the screen while your toon orbits and gets the LP then you have AFK Plexed. Yes you can see the enemy coming and warp off. But this is still AFK plexing. We have to manage damage coming in and kill NPC's you just have to click the orbit button and watch.
Again funny how NO minmatar militia is commenting on this topic that i have seen but i could be wrong there are alot of post. Funny how ammar are agreeing on this even though they are at war with us. Funny how Caldari say this is not an ISSUE.
So to CCP, since we have seen post that the caldari do not think this is an issue as stated here can you just swap NPC's in gallente and caldari plexes. I dont even care if they are still labeled the same lets just switch them if caldari say this is not a problem. If you could also keep track of the Victory points on both offensive and defensive before and after the switch it would be nice to see this. Again caldari might still plex high but lets see how many are offensive compared to defensive and lets see which toons start going from offensive to defensive after this.
Again it is ok to do this CCP. Damar BM Bolster and so many others have stated this is not an issue and that this does not matter. PLEASE SWITCH THE NPC's
PLEASE post up if you like this IDEA |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
9
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:43:00 -
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Dopified wrote:Again it is ok to do this CCP. Damar BM Bolster and so many others have stated this is not an issue and that this does not matter. PLEASE SWITCH THE NPC's
You are living in your own reality. I have already said afk plexing is stupid but you are not willing to admit your side is doing it almost as much as caldari. Only difference really is that your side has to shoehorn afk plexing to new incursus hull while caldari have more options for afk plexing.
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BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
77
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:50:00 -
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Dopified wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Once again.....your systems are not being lost to npc types. Dopified might sit and say "you have an advantage" but the truth is no one in gallente side is willing to put the time into capturing systems or defending it. If you want to complain about NPC differences maybe we should start complaining about LP rewards and them not "being balanced" The term "afk plexing" cannot be used for mediums and majors. IF someone were truly afk plexing you should have no problem killing them. The fact that they leave when you come in confirms they are not afk plexing. I do not understand why this is hard to comprehend (for dopified I do understand why he cant comprehend it) but the others. You are saying you are losing your systems because of a NPC difference......that YOU have nothing in your aresenal of weapons or ideas to counter a condor (which I still have yet to see) taking an entire system all on his own. I forgot those condor pilots are the ones taking ACTIVE systems....... Well I can only fault myself for answering this with wasted time. Lets see what AFK Plexing means. Yes it is if you walk away from your keyboard and dont look at it. BUT AFK plexing is also when you hit the orbit button and DO NOTHING for the rest of the time there. If you just fold your arms and watch the screen while your toon orbits and gets the LP then you have AFK Plexed. Yes you can see the enemy coming and warp off. But this is still AFK plexing. We have to manage damage coming in and kill NPC's you just have to click the orbit button and watch. Again funny how NO minmatar militia is commenting on this topic that i have seen but i could be wrong there are alot of post. Funny how ammar are agreeing on this even though they are at war with us. Funny how Caldari say this is not an ISSUE. So to CCP, since we have seen post that the caldari do not think this is an issue as stated here can you just swap NPC's in gallente and caldari plexes. I dont even care if they are still labeled the same lets just switch them if caldari say this is not a problem. If you could also keep track of the Victory points on both offensive and defensive before and after the switch it would be nice to see this. Again caldari might still plex high but lets see how many are offensive compared to defensive and lets see which toons start going from offensive to defensive after this. Again it is ok to do this CCP. Damar BM Bolster and so many others have stated this is not an issue and that this does not matter. PLEASE SWITCH THE NPC's PLEASE post up if you like this IDEA
Ok so you are simply mad at the mechanics and using a disillusioned argument to say that we are "afk plexing" I can also say you afk mission since you use an interceptor to speed tank your missions and a bomber to simply cloak and shoot.
You think caldari can just orbit a button and walk away without watching damage. Hell I was "speed tanking" a major plex last night and hit deep armor. You cant say it is "afk plexing" I am putting my time into plexing a system with a ship that has a disadvantage of not being able to fight and I still have to sit and watch, I also do not have the ability to dock up in a station a repair.
Seriously dude go join Ceaseran and his whining in the other threads. We have no just uncovered that umadbro
I have speed tanked gallente plexes without a problem as well. The problem that the gallente have is jamming not missile spam. I know this because I flew gallente.
Just get some of your own pilots out and actually do something.
BTW thanks for odamia, our afk condors totally did it on their own
Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Dopified
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:03:00 -
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Again as stated bolster you know how to make it personal and CRAP on those that have been good to you. Any reason for this besides me stating the truth? |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:06:00 -
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It is just as absurd for a Caldari player in a rifter to be able to speed tank a major as it is for a Gallente player to speed tank a plex in an incursus. I demand the Federation hire NPC commanders that don't surrender simply because somebody in a tiny T1 frigate orbits a button for a set period of time. These guys need to grow a spine! |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:07:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Dopified wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Once again.....your systems are not being lost to npc types. Dopified might sit and say "you have an advantage" but the truth is no one in gallente side is willing to put the time into capturing systems or defending it. If you want to complain about NPC differences maybe we should start complaining about LP rewards and them not "being balanced" The term "afk plexing" cannot be used for mediums and majors. IF someone were truly afk plexing you should have no problem killing them. The fact that they leave when you come in confirms they are not afk plexing. I do not understand why this is hard to comprehend (for dopified I do understand why he cant comprehend it) but the others. You are saying you are losing your systems because of a NPC difference......that YOU have nothing in your aresenal of weapons or ideas to counter a condor (which I still have yet to see) taking an entire system all on his own. I forgot those condor pilots are the ones taking ACTIVE systems....... Well I can only fault myself for answering this with wasted time. Lets see what AFK Plexing means. Yes it is if you walk away from your keyboard and dont look at it. BUT AFK plexing is also when you hit the orbit button and DO NOTHING for the rest of the time there. If you just fold your arms and watch the screen while your toon orbits and gets the LP then you have AFK Plexed. Yes you can see the enemy coming and warp off. But this is still AFK plexing. We have to manage damage coming in and kill NPC's you just have to click the orbit button and watch. Again funny how NO minmatar militia is commenting on this topic that i have seen but i could be wrong there are alot of post. Funny how ammar are agreeing on this even though they are at war with us. Funny how Caldari say this is not an ISSUE. So to CCP, since we have seen post that the caldari do not think this is an issue as stated here can you just swap NPC's in gallente and caldari plexes. I dont even care if they are still labeled the same lets just switch them if caldari say this is not a problem. If you could also keep track of the Victory points on both offensive and defensive before and after the switch it would be nice to see this. Again caldari might still plex high but lets see how many are offensive compared to defensive and lets see which toons start going from offensive to defensive after this. Again it is ok to do this CCP. Damar BM Bolster and so many others have stated this is not an issue and that this does not matter. PLEASE SWITCH THE NPC's PLEASE post up if you like this IDEA Ok so you are simply mad at the mechanics and using a disillusioned argument to say that we are "afk plexing" I can also say you afk mission since you use an interceptor to speed tank your missions and a bomber to simply cloak and shoot. You think caldari can just orbit a button and walk away without watching damage. Hell I was "speed tanking" a major plex last night and hit deep armor. You cant say it is "afk plexing" I am putting my time into plexing a system with a ship that has a disadvantage of not being able to fight and I still have to sit and watch, I also do not have the ability to dock up in a station a repair. Seriously dude go join Ceaseran and his whining in the other threads. We have no just uncovered that umadbro I have speed tanked gallente plexes without a problem as well. The problem that the gallente have is jamming not missile spam. I know this because I flew gallente. Just get some of your own pilots out and actually do something. BTW thanks for odamia, our afk condors totally did it on their own
DotLan tells the story of the mighty battle of odamia lol
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Odamia http://clip2net.com/s/20vic |
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