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BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:09:00 -
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Dopified wrote:Again as stated bolster you know how to make it personal and CRAP on those that have been good to you. Any reason for this besides me stating the truth?
just on you Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
63
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:11:00 -
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What your trying to say Damar/Bolster is ... mouth breathing re re with no sp afking a gal major == max skilled incursus while micromanaging cap/reps to complete caldari major
I mean I guess that makes sense if your the re re... Is sexy time? |
Dopified
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:17:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Dopified wrote:Again as stated bolster you know how to make it personal and CRAP on those that have been good to you. Any reason for this besides me stating the truth? just on you
I guess because i was one of the only ones that thought nicely of you over here or was at least nice with how i treated you LMAO. On me. to funny |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
457
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:25:00 -
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If everything is pretty much the same why is there so much resistance to having the npcs switch around every now and then?
Why are there no fits posted to support these claims?
Actually they could have some gallente plexes guarded by cooperating minmatar npcs and some minmatar plexes guarded by gallente. The amarr and caldari could also cooperate in this fashion. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:29:00 -
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Dopified wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Dopified wrote:Again as stated bolster you know how to make it personal and CRAP on those that have been good to you. Any reason for this besides me stating the truth? just on you I guess because i was one of the only ones that thought nicely of you over here or was at least nice with how i treated you LMAO. On me. to funny
OMG just stop already....yes dopified you are the master that took "poor ole' bolster in from the cold"
I bow to your presence "bolster sucks and without you I would be nothing"
Oh dopified please privileged us by providing us with your presence......
I fail who wants my stuff Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Dopified
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:48:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Dopified wrote:Again it is ok to do this CCP. Damar BM Bolster and so many others have stated this is not an issue and that this does not matter. PLEASE SWITCH THE NPC's You are living in your own reality. I have already said afk plexing is stupid but you are not willing to admit your side is doing it almost as much as caldari. Only difference really is that your side has to shoehorn afk plexing to new permarunning repper incursus hull while caldari have more options for afk plexing. In both cases it does not matter what comes to challenge your plexing. If you are simply speed or repair tanking npcs without killing them, you are not in position to engage hostile vessels anyway.
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13530894
Again here is my evidence as stated in my first post and yes it was a good fight but look at the damage inflicted on him it did not change the fight at all. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
256
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:50:00 -
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Cearain wrote:If everything is pretty much the same why is there so much resistance to having the npcs switch around every now and then?
Why are there no fits posted to support these claims?
Actually they could have some gallente plexes guarded by cooperating minmatar npcs and some minmatar plexes guarded by gallente. The amarr and caldari could also cooperate in this fashion. IMO, there's a few issues here. The "put missile spamming NPCs" only addresses the "fairness" issue.
1. Fairness - NPCs are imbalanced between races. 2. Overall game play - Nobody in a frig should make the NPC forces "surrender" simply by orbiting a button for 10-20 minutes. 3. Once your side wins a plex/bunker encounter (either a fight, or the other side bails), it loses. The immediate rewards for winning a plex/bunker bust when the other side bails favors the side that bails. The winning side gets "griefed" by being forced to orbit a button for a long period of time, or it moves on and the side that bails returns and finishes the job.
Dopified is right, NPCs for different militias aren't fair. Damar is right - All plexes can be won by pve oriented ships -even if an incursus cost 5 million more than a T1 rifter (seeing more bailing rifters than condors tbh).So what's the big deal? We can all afford 5 million isk incursuses. Everybody is right when they say it's gawd awful boring to sit in a plex after you've won it - especially if it didn't lead to a pvp encounter.
Hopefully CCP implements something that addresses all of these concerns (including the plex bug issue, plex standings issue and a few more issues Bad Messenger ought to put in a list and give to CCP).
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
457
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:51:00 -
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At base CCP needs to decide if they want occupancy plexing to remain an activity that is best done in a pve ship or if they want to make it a pvp activity.
To the extent they increase the power and importance of npcs, they will make it more of a pve activity.
To the extent they make it easier for players to fight for plexes, they will make it more of a pvp activity. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:03:00 -
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The biggest problem I see for removing NPCs from the plex is the local pirates now have a free pass to shut everyone down. Atleast with NPCs defensive plexing is bearable because you have help in the way of NPCs that also attack the pirate raiders. Remove that and nobody is going to defensive plex because unless it is your home system and you already have a lock down on the local pirate populace it just won't be worth it to stay there with -9.9s coming in every few mins chasing you. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:50:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Yuri Szarkhov wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Mutnin wrote: The simple fact is, you are now losing because you are lazy.. Not because of NPC's or noob alts farming plexes.
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the 7 Caldari systems we still dominate. Thought it was twelve? Oh, sorry, that was a few days ago. My mistake. When it gets to minus 1 you can say you're winning. Until then you're still losing.
Humm it was 7 now 5.. We will see your 5 and raise you two captured Gallentte systems. Caldari forces have evicted the Gallente president from his slum lord offices in Ladistier, as well as captured Odamia.. (we are now losing by 3)
We are winning by losing.. It's like Charlie Sheen is our co-pilot. |
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BolsterBomb
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:19:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Yuri Szarkhov wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Mutnin wrote: The simple fact is, you are now losing because you are lazy.. Not because of NPC's or noob alts farming plexes.
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the 7 Caldari systems we still dominate. Thought it was twelve? Oh, sorry, that was a few days ago. My mistake. When it gets to minus 1 you can say you're winning. Until then you're still losing. Humm it was 7 now 5.. We will see your 5 and raise you two captured Gallentte systems. Caldari forces have evicted the Gallente president from his slum lord offices in Ladistier, as well as captured Odamia.. (we are now losing by 3) We are winning by losing.. It's like Charlie Sheen is our co-pilot. On the NPC battle front I still see lots of NPC kills in the captured systems Caldari have taken, 1000 in the last 24 hours in Odamia, over 2000 in Ladistier.. Meanwhile in systems like Kehjari that is under attack by the AFK Dramiel coalition, funded by Gallente Militia, there has been only 116 NPC deaths in the last 24 hours., despite plexes being run almost 23/7. Things that make you go hummm. Could it be Gallente are just lazy & want to make excuses or could these 2 week old alts whom are farming Kehjari in AFK Dramiels, just happen to be elite Gallente plexers that are just much better than the rest of Gal Militia?
qft
Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:24:00 -
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[quote=Mutnin ]Humm it was 7 now 5..[ /quote] Do the math. You're still behind. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:24:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Humm it was 7 now 5..[ /quote] Do the math. You're still behind.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:47:00 -
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Speaking of lame mechanics, I heard that people can exploit the LP mechanics by joining the minmatar faction (who is winning with t4 bonuses) and still run gallente plex to gain minmatar LP, which is worth more because gallente is at t1 right now. Thus gallente can leech off of the victorious minmatar even though they didn't do anything. Or maybe I'm wrong, I haven't tried that yet.
+1 for making fw plex require all rats to be killed. Or you could speed up the timer if rats are killed. Say you get a time bonus for killing each wave so you can speed tank a minor in 15 minutes or kill all the rats and complete it in 10 mins. Defensive plex needs to give something, even if it is only 2 lp just so it doesn't seem like you are wasting your time.
Upgrade bonuses are really lackluster as well. Clone costs - who cares it is low sec you rarely get podded and market tax and more slots aren't useful because most systems have no stations. I'd rather have a 5% boost to scan resolution or sensor strength per upgrade level or something. Or how about cheaper insurance or free repair or PI boost. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
63
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:00:00 -
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So lame, Allies shouldn't be able to help one another. That's madness!
Vaal Erit wrote:Speaking of lame mechanics, I heard that people can exploit the LP mechanics by joining the minmatar faction (who is winning with t4 bonuses) and still run gallente plex to gain minmatar LP, which is worth more because gallente is at t1 right now. Thus gallente can leech off of the victorious minmatar even though they didn't do anything. Or maybe I'm wrong, I haven't tried that yet.
Is sexy time? |
Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
77
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:20:00 -
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I solo plex in PVP fits.
I am the 1%. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:01:00 -
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Jones looks pretty cool in his goggles.
Mutnin and XG, not so much.
Why is that?
I do think it would be mildly amusing to see an animation of XG and Mutnin arguing with eachother about how to count to 7 in their goggles.
Maybe ccp should give up on faction war and go back to working on incarna. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.06.07 13:04:00 -
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Brutor + goggles = sexytime |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
86
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Posted - 2012.06.07 13:22:00 -
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Schalac wrote:The biggest problem I see for removing NPCs from the plex is the local pirates now have a free pass to shut everyone down. Atleast with NPCs defensive plexing is bearable because you have help in the way of NPCs that also attack the pirate raiders. Remove that and nobody is going to defensive plex because unless it is your home system and you already have a lock down on the local pirate populace it just won't be worth it to stay there with -9.9s coming in every few mins chasing you.
What do you mean it's not worth it?! It's called you just sit there and fights come to you. Isn't that really the whole purpose of the FW plexes? ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Gunthar X
Bane Inc INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2012.06.07 13:59:00 -
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After 10 pages I have a simple solution for the Gallente in this grand war.
I know its complicated so I will make sure to state it clearly and simply.
DEFEND YOUR SPACE.
There, CCP no need for coding or spending more time on this I think my solution should solve all problems for FW. When we have attempted to take systems and the enemy has shown up in force to defend a system we either have to fight hard for it or run away and go after another system. If you sit in the station all day, or form your 45 man fleet with 4 neutral boosters and roam around FW space for hours while 4 of your systems are at 60% or higher then you will lose your space, the same can be said for every other militia. If the Amarr choose to run around minni space while one of their systems was at 75% then getting mad at CCP because they lost their space would anyone care? If you don't like the FW mechanics as they are come up with solutions that do not fix just your own little problem, the Amarr are in a much worse position than the Gallente because their NPC's are useless while the Minni's NPC's are a pain in the butt. Not to mention the MinniGÇÖs ships are specifically designed and built to kill Amarr so they work extremely well against them. I think the Amarr rats are the ones with the best case for change and buffing not the GalGÇÖs.
You need to choose your place within your militia if you want to form fleets and run around trying to PVP while ignoring your systems then don't blames CCP's "broken NPC's" for you losing those systems. It wasn't CCP's fault we lost the systems we have lost it was our decision to not defend them in any way NPCGÇÖs were not the reason. If you want to win you put in the work and you coordinate your fleets to fight for your militia and not your killboard. We are taking systems because we are all working together on a common goal and each corp within the militia has taken it upon themselves to fight for the good of the militia not themselves. We form fleets and plex our butts off for the systems we want which in most cases are plexed for days in advance by active pilots or fleets for the express purpose of claiming them not the afk LP farmers.
Oh yea one more thing, how many missile centric ships do the Gallente have in their inventory? If I am not mistaken the Gallente use hybrids and drones for the majority of their ships correct, so why would CCP "invent" ships that spam missiles just so afk LP farmers can't solo a plex? The Caldari use missiles just like the minni's use projectiles and the Amarr die uselessly this is the price you pay for using only the ships of the particular race. Instead of adding artificial buffing for the plexs just removed the NPC's all together and make a ping go off in the FW tab that someone is running a plex in XXXX system. I guess this would mean something if you actually defended your space beyond your home system.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:32:00 -
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No one on either side is really defending their space, squids lost 1 last night, will lose two or three more by the weekend. gals will lose another by weekend. This **** will flip flop constantly. It's gotten a bit better since QCATS started getting that sweet minmatar LP for running caldari plexes :)
Gunthar X wrote:After 10 pages I have a simple solution for the Gallente in this grand war.
I know its complicated so I will make sure to state it clearly and simply.
DEFEND YOUR SPACE.
Is sexy time? |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
55
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:07:00 -
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Fidelium Mortis wrote:Schalac wrote:The biggest problem I see for removing NPCs from the plex is the local pirates now have a free pass to shut everyone down. Atleast with NPCs defensive plexing is bearable because you have help in the way of NPCs that also attack the pirate raiders. Remove that and nobody is going to defensive plex because unless it is your home system and you already have a lock down on the local pirate populace it just won't be worth it to stay there with -9.9s coming in every few mins chasing you. What do you mean it's not worth it?! It's called you just sit there and fights come to you. Isn't that really the whole purpose of the FW plexes? If all you want to do is fight it doesn't matter where you sit in low sec. |
Lord Ryan
Quantum Cats Syndicate
526
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:11:00 -
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Been using guns, reppers and boosters on my fits. Am I the only onw who kills the rats? Guess I'm doing it wrong again! -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:13:00 -
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Na I kill them all as well...cant bring myself to fly anything that is not fit for pvp
Lord Ryan wrote:Been using guns, reppers and boosters on my fits. Am I the only onw who kills the rats? Guess I'm doing it wrong again!
Is sexy time? |
Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.06.07 19:28:00 -
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You can clear minors with a pvp frig/dessie. You can clear mediums with a pvp cruiser/AF. You can clear majors with a pvp BC/HAC.
I honestly do not understand why people would run anything but these. |
Dopified
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.07 19:40:00 -
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Jones Bones wrote:You can clear minors with a pvp frig/dessie. You can clear mediums with a pvp cruiser/AF. You can clear majors with a pvp BC/HAC. I honestly do not understand why people would run anything but these.
You are correct in saying this and i agree with you 100%. This can be done in pvp ships. My origional arguement was that caldari and minmatar can do this with all three plex sizes in a pvp t1 frig.
And i quote from my first post
"This is the number 1 problem because until this gets addressed Ammar and Gallente can not compete with other militia's even if we had same amount of players. They can stock up on t1 frigs and run this stuff all day cheap. For us you cannot us a pvp fit ship and go plex let alone the fact of even thinking of fighting in an enemy plex with small number gangs. You can with larger numbers."
This is what i want changed. Thier ability to run all plexes in a t1 pvp frig give a massive advantage to a side because you can stay out in the field deep in enamy territory with one ship that can run easily or stay and fight because you are already set up. You also dont use ammo. The ammar and gallente cannot do this. I believe that this makes a difference in people plexing because they have the option of fighting pvp or running plexes for LP when no pvp is around. Yes the gallente want to pvp more then fight but if we could do this you would see more numbers doing it. You can run a minor med and major and keep going because all the respawns will hit right after the last plex is done. This makes a big difference because in one ship type you can keep running a systems plexes 24/7 all hours without reshipping. THIS MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:28:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:No one on either side is really defending their space, squids lost 1 last night, will lose two or three more by the weekend. gals will lose another by weekend. This **** will flip flop constantly. It's gotten a bit better since QCATS started getting that sweet minmatar LP for running caldari plexes :) Gunthar X wrote:After 10 pages I have a simple solution for the Gallente in this grand war.
I know its complicated so I will make sure to state it clearly and simply.
DEFEND YOUR SPACE.
Actually we do defend quite a lot, but Nag was an acceptable loss because no one really lives in that area. Aside from that it's not worth the wasted asset loss getting around Snuff Box's insta locking T3 camps that catch frigs & everything else.
We have however pushed forward in Black Rise and protect stuff there even before the patch aside from useless systems like Iwisoda or other wasted dead end systems.
We defend our space quite well, but under this new system you have to accept certain losses will happen once you get to a peak capture status, at that point it's not worth the wasted time to defend a isolated or non tactical system when that defense time is better spent else where. Hell Caldari had 2 more Gal systems Vulnerable on Tue night, but we couldn't be assed to capture them because they serve no purpose. Alamel & Als were both vulnerable (dunno if they still are) but both were left un-captured because we really didn't need to take them.
What we are tolling you guys on, is the fact you wont even defend systems one jump from your homes. |
Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:39:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:
What we are tolling you guys on, is the fact you wont even defend systems one jump from your homes.
... why would the Gallente defend them (for no LP rewards) when we could let them fall and then get sweet sweet LP just one jump from home for plexing it back?
Win or lose, it's just a game. Respect your enemies and your teammates. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:44:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:What we are tolling you guys on, is the fact you wont even defend systems one jump from your homes.
Personally, I would prefer all systems one jump from nenna be caldari owned - then I would get my sweet sweet minmatar LP for plexing in them while still be close to home for fleet ops.
It'll be sad if Immuri/Hikko/Akidagi get taken. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
261
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:10:00 -
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Yuri Szarkhov wrote:Winning is in the momentum, which we certainly have. Hey by both of our definitions, Gallente FW is winning! How about that? |
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