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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:01:00 -
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I'm not getting it. What exactly is able to be posted in this forum. It appears i've struck a nerve and now anything I post is removed. Yet slurs, snide remarks and general harassment isn't. Enlighten me what qualifies as a general discussion of EVE? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:02:00 -
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I agree.
DMC |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:11:00 -
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It almost feels like i'm being discriminated against. |
Shian Yang
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:12:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not getting it. What exactly is able to be posted in this forum? It appears i've struck a nerve and now anything I post is removed. Yet slurs, snide remarks and general harassment isn't. Enlighten me, what qualifies as a general discussion of EVE?
Greetings capsuleer,
Your original discussion on the influence of Local was moved to Features and Ideas. You then spammed the forum by repeating the topic, despite having them locked. Admittedly, capsuleer Crimson, Lord Zim and Cutter was instrumental in getting one of those threads locked, but as capsuleer Crimson has said:
DMC wrote:I personally detest seeing that and have been guilty of doing that myself in the past. But I was shown the error of my ways and have vowed to post replies as per Forum Rules. Now when I see it getting out of hand, I'll post a reminder to those involved and if continued, will just issue 'Report Cards'.
He is a stickler for the forum rules and you should listen to him. What the owners of this board says is what the rules are. And these rules have determined that your discussion should go to Features and Ideas and that repeated occurences of that topic will be locked.
I am correct in this, am I not capsuleer Crimson?
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
329
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:12:00 -
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IBTL
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:13:00 -
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Obviously your piercing insight has ruffled the feathers of Goonswarm and their dev cronies. It's only a matter of time now before the entire playerbase rises up behind you as one and we take this game back from those who have stolen it from us. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:16:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Obviously your piercing insight has ruffled the feathers of Goonswarm and their dev cronies. It's only a matter of time now before the entire playerbase rises up behind you as one and we take this game back from those who have stolen it from us. Viva la no lifers revolution!
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
755
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:18:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not getting it. What exactly is able to be posted in this forum? It appears i've struck a nerve and now anything I post is removed. Yet slurs, snide remarks and general harassment isn't. Enlighten me, what qualifies as a general discussion of EVE? Greetings capsuleer, Your original discussion on the influence of Local was moved to Features and Ideas. You then spammed the forum by repeating the topic, despite having them locked. Admittedly, capsuleer Crimson, Lord Zim and Cutter was instrumental in getting one of those threads locked, but as capsuleer Crimson has said: DMC wrote:I personally detest seeing that and have been guilty of doing that myself in the past. But I was shown the error of my ways and have vowed to post replies as per Forum Rules. Now when I see it getting out of hand, I'll post a reminder to those involved and if continued, will just issue 'Report Cards'. He is a stickler for the forum rules and you should listen to him. What the owners of this board says is what the rules are. And these rules have determined that your discussion should go to Features and Ideas and that repeated occurences of that topic will be locked. I am correct in this, am I not capsuleer Crimson? Regards, Shian Yang Where did you gain this goodpoasting skill? I must abase myself and learn from your greatness. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
60
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:18:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:It almost feels like i'm being discriminated against. Sounds like a topic for general discussion. |
Roisin Saoirse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:23:00 -
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It could be that your reposting of locked threads and opening threads questioning the competence of moderators has flagged you as a troublecauser and they're just watching you more closely than the troll hoards. |
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
278
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:24:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not getting it. What exactly is able to be posted in this forum? It appears i've struck a nerve and now anything I post is removed. Yet slurs, snide remarks and general harassment isn't. Enlighten me, what qualifies as a general discussion of EVE? Greetings capsuleer, Your original discussion on the influence of Local was moved to Features and Ideas. You then spammed the forum by repeating the topic, despite having them locked. Admittedly, capsuleer Crimson, Lord Zim and Cutter was instrumental in getting one of those threads locked, but as capsuleer Crimson has said: DMC wrote:I personally detest seeing that and have been guilty of doing that myself in the past. But I was shown the error of my ways and have vowed to post replies as per Forum Rules. Now when I see it getting out of hand, I'll post a reminder to those involved and if continued, will just issue 'Report Cards'. He is a stickler for the forum rules and you should listen to him. What the owners of this board says is what the rules are. And these rules have determined that your discussion should go to Features and Ideas and that repeated occurences of that topic will be locked. I am correct in this, am I not capsuleer Crimson? Regards, Shian Yang
Pretty much this. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Selinate
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:26:00 -
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I get banned after one thread about a **** fit hulk about a month or two ago, after I got a warning in march of last year or something like that. This guy can go forever.
I see how this system is completely fair. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
346
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:27:00 -
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Maybe because every time you create a thread it is about the same subject ? Just a guess EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Lord Zim
762
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:27:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:What the owners of this board says is what the rules are. And these rules have determined that your discussion should go to Features and Ideas and that repeated occurences of that topic will be locked.
I am correct in this, am I not capsuleer Crimson? Actually, the timeline is, he started a thread about removing local in GD, it went on and on and on for a long time, was moved to F&I, he then opened a thread in GD asking why the thread was moved, it was locked for discussing moderation, he started another thread where the OP was just a bunch of "fill in the blanks" sentences, that got locked and he started a new thread within 10 minutes with the exact same first post, only a different subject, which promptly got locked for being a duplicate of a locked thread.
And now we're here. |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:31:00 -
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Maybe it is beter to ask what is not a post for general discussion? Wait that would be nothing! So carry on! |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
755
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:31:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Shian Yang wrote:What the owners of this board says is what the rules are. And these rules have determined that your discussion should go to Features and Ideas and that repeated occurences of that topic will be locked.
I am correct in this, am I not capsuleer Crimson? Actually, the timeline is, he started a thread about removing local in GD, it went on and on and on for a long time, was moved to F&I, he then opened a thread in GD asking why the thread was moved, it was locked for discussing moderation, he started another thread where the OP was just a bunch of "fill in the blanks" sentences, that got locked and he started a new thread within 10 minutes with the exact same first post, only a different subject, which promptly got locked for being a duplicate of a locked thread. And now we're here. Slow learner Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
309
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:32:00 -
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What new hell is this? Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method |
Roisin Saoirse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:32:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Shian Yang wrote:What the owners of this board says is what the rules are. And these rules have determined that your discussion should go to Features and Ideas and that repeated occurences of that topic will be locked.
I am correct in this, am I not capsuleer Crimson? Actually, the timeline is, he started a thread about removing local in GD, it went on and on and on for a long time, was moved to F&I, he then opened a thread in GD asking why the thread was moved, it was locked for discussing moderation, he started another thread where the OP was just a bunch of "fill in the blanks" sentences, that got locked and he started a new thread within 10 minutes with the exact same first post, only a different subject, which promptly got locked for being a duplicate of a locked thread. And now we're here. In that case, I'm surprised he hasn't been banned yet. The moderators are being very restrained. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
605
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:36:00 -
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Roisin Saoirse wrote:In that case, I'm surprised he hasn't been banned yet. The moderators are being very restrained.
They fear to create a martyr out of this brave forum hero. They know gagging him will only confirm the righteousness of his cause and the truth of his speech.
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Aemonchichi
Limited Access Guardian Society
10
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:40:00 -
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Roisin Saoirse wrote: The moderators are being very restrained.
i luld a bit there 8)
i been playing eve for some years now, and eve-forums always been a place to get info, hints, gossip and rumors
nowadays its pure shiat - ccp should be ashamed of these forums, just imagina a new players checks the forums before subscribing - byebye
only hatin and flaming goin on, every try of constuctive posts is ruined by horde of ppl hunting +1 posts or just wrining shiat or flames
moderation is not really happening
considering a official forum is kind of a business card for eve towards new players and honestly its nothing ccp can be proud of, it was good, well maybe not good but way better, some years ago but nowadays its a cesspool of hate
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
270
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:53:00 -
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Can we get a list of Goon approved topics? |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
755
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:56:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Can we get a list of Goon approved topics? Pretty much not anything you will see on the EVE-O forums. They are pretty elitist about the quality of posting when they have control.
90% of us woulda been perma banned after our 3rd post. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
61
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:58:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Can we get a list of Goon approved topics? All topics nowadays are about goons in one way or another. Even this one. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
270
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Posted - 2012.06.04 00:20:00 -
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I guess the HTFU crew aren't astute enough to answer the question. Wouldn't it make sense to provide a summary of acceptable topics? Or if it is less of a time constraint, topics that are not allowed. |
Shian Yang
235
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Posted - 2012.06.04 00:56:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:I guess the HTFU crew aren't astute enough to answer the question. Wouldn't it make sense to provide a summary of acceptable topics? Or if it is less of a time constraint, topics that are not allowed.
Three years of subscription and hundreds of dollars in plex purchaes can't even net a post to provide clarity?
Greetings capsuleer,
It is an almost impossible request. Refer to the guidelines at the top and once you see what specifically is not allowed - do not repeat your mistake and learn from it.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1117
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Posted - 2012.06.04 00:57:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not getting it. What exactly is able to be posted in this forum? It appears i've struck a nerve and now anything I post is removed. Yet slurs, snide remarks and general harassment isn't. Enlighten me, what qualifies as a general discussion of EVE?
In order to qualify for GD a post:
1) Has to be so bad that it could not stand in CAOD.
2) Must have a majority of trolls, verbal abuse, edited censored words.
3) Has to fall into Godwin Law pretty fast.
4) Content has to be trite and mediocre, basically the sooner it jumps the shark the better.
5) If you can squeeze in some bad taste apologetic rant, you'll get many null-seccer likes. If it's long and pathetic enough, you might get a spot in the next CSM. If it's long and whiny enough it will get many hi seccers likes, expecially if you talk about incursions and mining.
6) Has to be general and shallow, possibly stupid. The sooner it degenerates into "no u" the higher the lifetime on GD.
7) You should post and immediately spam 10 likes with alts like some > 5K likes forum warriors do.
8) You have to be inept but polite and not touch something going against the dominant groupthink. If it's against CCP's groupthink it's worse and you are almost sure to see it locked, deleted or, WORST OF ALL, moved into Features & Ideas.
Hope this helps, it's not everything but it's a good starter. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 01:16:00 -
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Noted VV. So essentially using ones intellect is against the rules and posts must appear as idiotic to not upset the majority of the forum go'ers who are in fact idiotic. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
278
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Posted - 2012.06.04 01:23:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Noted VV. So essentially using ones intellect is against the rules and posts must appear as idiotic to not upset the majority of the forum go'ers who are in fact idiotic.
I have a word in mind.
It's a relevant word.
The word is "Ironic".
The rules to posting on any section of the forums is pretty simple. First up it has to be in the relevant place, something that has been pointed out to you more than once, and by a member of CCP no less. As for using your intellect, I think that is debatable. I say this only because after having a thread moved, two locked and a clear warning not to try re-opening a locked thread, you are still whining. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 01:25:00 -
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There was no reason for either thread sans the bias moderation to be locked or moved. The others were moved to prevent general discussion of the mechanics. So stating that they were moved for the sake of being moved doesn't answer the question. Are you one of the idiots we're refering to?
And im not whining, im just not scared of consequences when I know im in the right. So why don't you scuttle of to a dark corner troglodyte?
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Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
339
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Posted - 2012.06.04 01:26:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not getting it. What exactly is able to be posted in this forum? It appears i've struck a nerve and now anything I post is removed. Yet slurs, snide remarks and general harassment isn't. Enlighten me, what qualifies as a general discussion of EVE?
I see the thread that was locked. it makes no sense to me. So, I reported ISD Tyrozan's post as being inappropriate
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 01:27:00 -
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Thank you good sir. Clearly an abuse of forum moderating powers if there could ever be a such thing. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
278
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Posted - 2012.06.04 01:30:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:There was no reason for either thread sans the bias moderation to be locked or moved. The others were moved to prevent general discussion of the mechanics. So stating that they were moved for the sake of being moved doesn't answer the question. Are you one of the idiots we're refering to?
And im not whining, im just not scared of consequences when I know im in the right. So why don't you scuttle of to a dark corner troglodyte?
Look up the definition of general you simpleton before you involve yourself in a conversation of which you aren't really capable of providing any worthwhile point.
Discussion of mechanics to that degree belongs in feature and ideas, and since local is a feature of EVE, it got moved to the appropriate section of the forums. This has been explained by plenty of people, so I think that the term simpleton would be more applicable to you than to me.
As for you being in the right, it is clear that you are not, no matter how much you wish that you were.
EDIT: And changing the insult you hurl at me does not do you many favours either. Simpleton or troglodyte, either word just displays your ignorance and lack of self control. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 01:31:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:There was no reason for either thread sans the bias moderation to be locked or moved. The others were moved to prevent general discussion of the mechanics. So stating that they were moved for the sake of being moved doesn't answer the question. Are you one of the idiots we're refering to?
And im not whining, im just not scared of consequences when I know im in the right. So why don't you scuttle of to a dark corner troglodyte?
Look up the definition of general you simpleton before you involve yourself in a conversation of which you aren't really capable of providing any worthwhile point. Discussion of mechanics to that degree belongs in feature and ideas, and since local is a feature of EVE, it got moved to the appropriate section of the forums. This has been explained by plenty of people, so I think that the term simpleton would be more applicable to you than to me. As for you being in the right, it is clear that you are not, no matter how much you wish that you were.
No it doesn't. Because it wasn't asked in the sense of a feature or idea to be implemented. The topic revolved around how local chat generally hinders EVEs gameplay. And the third fill in the blank thread didn't mention local at all. Pure bias plain and simple. Unjust censorship and abuse of power. |
Kimmi Chan
Perkone Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.06.04 01:46:00 -
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I see this ending badly for you. Sometimes it's smarter to pick your battles and let this go. If you want to discuss your idea, the thread in F&I is still open I think. Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
278
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Posted - 2012.06.04 01:48:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:There was no reason for either thread sans the bias moderation to be locked or moved. The others were moved to prevent general discussion of the mechanics. So stating that they were moved for the sake of being moved doesn't answer the question. Are you one of the idiots we're refering to?
And im not whining, im just not scared of consequences when I know im in the right. So why don't you scuttle of to a dark corner troglodyte?
Look up the definition of general you simpleton before you involve yourself in a conversation of which you aren't really capable of providing any worthwhile point. Discussion of mechanics to that degree belongs in feature and ideas, and since local is a feature of EVE, it got moved to the appropriate section of the forums. This has been explained by plenty of people, so I think that the term simpleton would be more applicable to you than to me. As for you being in the right, it is clear that you are not, no matter how much you wish that you were. No it doesn't. Because it wasn't asked in the sense of a feature or idea to be implemented. The topic revolved around how local chat generally hinders EVEs gameplay. And the third fill in the blank thread didn't mention local at all. Pure bias plain and simple. Unjust censorship and abuse of power. And once again for the most remedial of our community general discussion covers any and all and warrants very little moderation or topic shuffling. Unless of course there is a bias driven agenda behind the shuffling.
It is very simple. Local is a FEATURE of EVE, discussion of possible changes or effects of said feature in relation to its impact on game mechanics is a subject that belongs in the Features and Ideas section of the forums, not on general discussion. As for your fill in the blank threads, this is where I begin to feel very sorry for you.
I'm starting to think you honestly believe your own rhetoric. It's either that or you hold everyone in such low regard that you think we are too stupid to see through your extremely thinly veiled "Local" thread, or that you have actually fooled yourself in to believing your own lies.
Perhaps if you hadn't already kicked up such a stink over the moving of your previous thread and locking of the moderation discussion thread, you may have gotten away with it. As it stands the moderators have done their job with utmost efficiency, professionalism and fairness.
As for your interpretation of what is and is not suitable for General Discussion, you should have realised by now that it means nothing. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.06.04 01:51:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm right because shut up, that's why!
:allears: |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 01:52:00 -
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It can end however. Im not that pressed. i'm in the right and if i'm martyred for expressing myself within the forum guidelines then OGP itll have to happen. My battle has been chosen. Let the chips fall where they may. And hopefully others will see how whats happening to me can and probably will affect them as well and respond accordingly. |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
398
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:00:00 -
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That would take all the fun out of the Russian roulette feel of posting here. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
280
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:03:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:It can end however. Im not that pressed. i'm in the right and if i'm martyred for expressing myself within the forum guidelines then OGP itll have to happen. My battle has been chosen. Let the chips fall where they may. And hopefully others will see how whats happening to me can and probably will affect them as well and respond accordingly.
You are starting to bare a striking resemblance to Moses , at the very least you have delusions of grandeur of biblical proportions and your hubris will be your downfall. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
759
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:06:00 -
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lmao, martyred.
Ok Joan. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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gulftobay
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:07:00 -
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So now you've developed a martyr complex? Oh this is good.
Low self-esteem?-á Bored?-á-áLonely?-á |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:08:00 -
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Witty no? It plays on the whole Muslim stereotype. I never considered Joan, but I suppose that works too. But the word fits. When truth is silenced by oppressive tyrants those who dare speak it in spite of consequences are considered martyrs. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
288
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:11:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Witty no? It plays on the whole Muslim stereotype. I never considered Joan, but I suppose that works too.
So now you are branching out in to racial/religious stereotyping? Because only Muslims are martyrs? Or because all Muslims are martyrs? Treading a fine line there mate.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
798
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:12:00 -
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Aemonchichi wrote:Roisin Saoirse wrote: The moderators are being very restrained. i luld a bit there 8) i been playing eve for some years now, and eve-forums always been a place to get info, hints, gossip and rumors nowadays its pure shiat - ccp should be ashamed of these forums, just imagine a new player checks the forums before subscribing - byebye only hatin and flaming goin on, every try of constuctive posts is ruined by horde of ppl hunting +1 posts or just writing shiat or flames moderation is not really happening considering a official forum is kind of a business card for eve towards new players and honestly its nothing ccp can be proud of, it was good, well maybe not good but way better, some years ago but nowadays its a cesspool of hate There's a lot of truth to this ^
imho...
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:13:00 -
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No im playing on the fact I often endure trolls and slurs that are based on the assumption i'm Arab Muslim do to my name. I only brought it up in answer to your comment about me using the word martyr. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
250
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:17:00 -
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A discussion is when many people want to talk about a topic. Not when you post over and over again that you are right about your idea even though not that many people are agreeing with you. By your own admission in the thread you moved the post to the top of the forum every day. The moderators let it go on for 40 pages and then decided that you weren't going to relent in the discussion and moved it. You have not been censored. Your thread is where people can read and post to it if they like.
This thread will likely be locked again because you are discussing forum moderation again, and that's not allowed. You don't really have free speech here, to the degree that you get to make the rules. Have your crusade if you want, and enjoy yourself. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
291
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:18:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:No im playing on the fact I often endure trolls and slurs that are based on the assumption i'm Arab Muslim do to my name. I only brought it up in answer to your comment about me using the word martyr.
So you purposely use the name Caliph Muhammed, then you admit to using the word "Martyr" because people assume you are an Arab Muslim......interesting.
It is worth noting that not all Muslims are Arab, so that is an example of racial stereotyping. Also you chose to use the word Martyr specifically because of the Arab Muslim connection, another example of stereotyping by you, this time religious in nature. You assume that the word Martyr only applies to Muslims.
I would say that you have well and truly stepped over a line, and feigning ignorance is going to be of little help to you.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:20:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:A discussion is when many people want to talk about a topic. Not when you post over and over again that you are right about your idea even though not that many people are agreeing with you. By your own admission in the thread you moved the post to the top of the forum every day. The moderators let it go on for 40 pages and then decided that you weren't going to relent in the discussion and moved it. You have not been censored. Your thread is where people can read and post to it if they like.
This thread will likely be locked again because you are discussing forum moderation again, and that's not allowed. You don't really have free speech here, to the degree that you get to make the rules. Have your crusade if you want, and enjoy yourself.
No im not discussing forum moderation im searching for a answer to the OP and unfortunately it relates to moderation but not in the sense it explicitly discusses the act of moderation.
Thats an interesting spin on what occured. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
760
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:20:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:No im playing on the fact I often endure trolls and slurs that are based on the assumption i'm Arab Muslim do to my name. I only brought it up in answer to your comment about me using the word martyr. So you purposely use the name Caliph Muhammed, then you admit to using the word "Martyr" because people assume you are an Arab Muslim......interesting. It is worth noting that not all Muslims are Arab, so that is an example of racial stereotyping. Also you chose to use the word Martyr specifically because of the Arab Muslim connection, another example of stereotyping by you, this time religious in nature. You assume that the word Martyr only applies to Muslims. I would say that you have well and truly stepped over a line, and feigning ignorance is going to be of little help to you. Its that a violation of the very EULA they love quoting so much? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Shian Yang
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:22:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:And im not whining, im just not scared of consequences when I know im in the right. So why don't you scuttle of to a dark corner troglodyte?
Greetings capsuleer,
Right is determined by CCP on the discussion boards they own. They have decided you are not right.
Quote:Look up the definition of general you simpleton before you involve yourself in a conversation of which you aren't really capable of providing any worthwhile point.
Says the capsuleer applauding a very good, humerous response from Vahrokha as if it had a basis in reality?
Capsuleer Muhammed, you know as well as the rest of us that you are fishing for inflammatory responses. If you had wanted an official response; instead of simply a way to soothe yourself by soliciting "interesting" responses you would have contacted CCP directly.
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:24:00 -
[51] - Quote
No sir i'm not fishing for inflammatory responses. Under that logic nothing that would change from 0 day could be discussed because not a single change in eve has ever occured without having upset at least one person. I genuinely believe in that which I type and to insinuate I do not is a grave insult to my character. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
294
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:25:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:No im playing on the fact I often endure trolls and slurs that are based on the assumption i'm Arab Muslim do to my name. I only brought it up in answer to your comment about me using the word martyr. So you purposely use the name Caliph Muhammed, then you admit to using the word "Martyr" because people assume you are an Arab Muslim......interesting. It is worth noting that not all Muslims are Arab, so that is an example of racial stereotyping. Also you chose to use the word Martyr specifically because of the Arab Muslim connection, another example of stereotyping by you, this time religious in nature. You assume that the word Martyr only applies to Muslims. I would say that you have well and truly stepped over a line, and feigning ignorance is going to be of little help to you. Its that a violation of the very EULA they love quoting so much?
Why yes, I do believe that it is. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1240
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:26:00 -
[53] - Quote
So what's this thread about? |
Shian Yang
241
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:27:00 -
[54] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No sir i'm not fishing for inflammatory responses. Under that logic nothing that would change EVE from 0 day could be discussed because not a single change in EVE has ever occured without having upset at least one person. I genuinely believe in that which I type and to insinuate I do not is a grave insult to my character.
Greetings capsuleer,
Then desist with this public display of rage and take it to a formal petition. As we cannot provide you with a response and it is exceptionally unlikely that CCP will provide a public response in a thread that was created and sustained to antagonise other capsuleers.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
63
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:29:00 -
[55] - Quote
If you really want to know what is and is not acceptable in GD then read the forum rules. If you have questions about the forum rules ask the forum moderators. Don't make yet another post questioning it and then berate anyone who dares answer. Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:30:00 -
[56] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:No sir i'm not fishing for inflammatory responses. Under that logic nothing that would change EVE from 0 day could be discussed because not a single change in EVE has ever occured without having upset at least one person. I genuinely believe in that which I type and to insinuate I do not is a grave insult to my character. Greetings capsuleer, Then desist with this public display of rage and take it to a formal petition. As we cannot provide you with a response and it is exceptionally unlikely that CCP will provide a public response in a thread that was created and sustained to antagonise other capsuleers. Regards, Shian Yang
A petition does not allow the community to weigh in on the issue presented. And further any response recieved from the petition wouldn't be allowed to be discussed with the public. Therefore what you are suggesting is in essence never posting that which I feel affects the community in any way that the community would be allowed to involve themselves in the discussion. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:32:00 -
[57] - Quote
Kimmi Chan wrote:If you really want to know what is and is not acceptable in GD then read the forum rules. If you have questions about the forum rules ask the forum moderators. Don't make yet another post questioning it and then berate anyone who dares answer.
I did read the rules, and I didnt find anything either of my posts violated sans discussing moderating bias. And I never drew first blood in the threads and no action or moderation was taken against those who did. So don't slap me with the whip and then cry out in pain. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:34:00 -
[58] - Quote
Take this post as a perfect example. Was anyone berated in the OP? Then on page one who started the berating? Is it removed. Are they still in the thread posting unhindered? I guess we have to learn to appreciate selective application of the rules. |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
63
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:35:00 -
[59] - Quote
I'm debating if I would miss your posting if you were banned from the forums...
Nope. Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1241
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:35:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ah well... Since Cutter and Shian are doing a great job here, I will just stick to reading this one as long as it lasts. |
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:36:00 -
[61] - Quote
File a petition and ask them to. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
295
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:36:00 -
[62] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Shian Yang wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:No sir i'm not fishing for inflammatory responses. Under that logic nothing that would change EVE from 0 day could be discussed because not a single change in EVE has ever occured without having upset at least one person. I genuinely believe in that which I type and to insinuate I do not is a grave insult to my character. Greetings capsuleer, Then desist with this public display of rage and take it to a formal petition. As we cannot provide you with a response and it is exceptionally unlikely that CCP will provide a public response in a thread that was created and sustained to antagonise other capsuleers. Regards, Shian Yang A petition does not allow the community to weigh in on the issue presented. And further any response recieved from the petition wouldn't be allowed to be discussed with the public. Therefore what you are suggesting is in essence never posting that which I feel affects the community in any way that the community would be allowed to involve themselves in the discussion.
You are questioning forum moderation, a discussion that one of us can have, hence Shians suggestion that you take this to a petition. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:38:00 -
[63] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Shian Yang wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:No sir i'm not fishing for inflammatory responses. Under that logic nothing that would change EVE from 0 day could be discussed because not a single change in EVE has ever occured without having upset at least one person. I genuinely believe in that which I type and to insinuate I do not is a grave insult to my character. Greetings capsuleer, Then desist with this public display of rage and take it to a formal petition. As we cannot provide you with a response and it is exceptionally unlikely that CCP will provide a public response in a thread that was created and sustained to antagonise other capsuleers. Regards, Shian Yang A petition does not allow the community to weigh in on the issue presented. And further any response recieved from the petition wouldn't be allowed to be discussed with the public. Therefore what you are suggesting is in essence never posting that which I feel affects the community in any way that the community would be allowed to involve themselves in the discussion. You are questioning forum moderation, a discussion that one of us can have, hence Shians suggestion that you take this to a petition.
No im not. Im asking for clarification on topics that are allowed or disallowed in EVE general discussion and toying with incompetents. |
Shian Yang
244
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:39:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:A petition does not allow the community to weigh in on the issue presented. And further any response recieved from the petition wouldn't be allowed to be discussed with the public. Therefore what you are suggesting is in essence never posting that which I feel affects the community in any way that the community would be allowed to involve themselves in the discussion.
Greetings capsuleer,
OP wrote:I'm not getting it. What exactly is able to be posted in this forum? It appears i've struck a nerve and now anything I post is removed. Yet slurs, snide remarks and general harassment isn't. Enlighten me, what qualifies as a general discussion of EVE?
The answer to your question does not fall within the province of capsuleers. It is the sole domain of CCP. As to the community; the rest of them seems to have a pretty good grasp of where the boundaries lie.
For example. The vast majority would not re-create a locked thread three times over after the original had been moved to a more appropriate location.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Vanria Vexed
Posiden Industrial
2
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:39:00 -
[65] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:If you really want to know what is and is not acceptable in GD then read the forum rules. If you have questions about the forum rules ask the forum moderators. Don't make yet another post questioning it and then berate anyone who dares answer. I did read the rules, and I didnt find anything either of my posts violated sans discussing moderating bias. And I never drew first blood in the threads and no action or moderation was taken against those who did. So don't slap me with the whip and then cry out in pain.
Once again to repeat something that was stated before that you fail to understand; these forums belong to CCP, hence their property. They can do with it as they see fit, even censor people, so conduct your self accordingly to the rules even with loose interpretations of the rules. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:40:00 -
[66] - Quote
No the community does not. Just because you state it doesn't make it so. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
749
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:41:00 -
[67] - Quote
caliph muhammed is a martyr of oppression by the pro-local tyrants
(or at least he feels that way vOv) eh |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:41:00 -
[68] - Quote
Vanria Vexed wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:If you really want to know what is and is not acceptable in GD then read the forum rules. If you have questions about the forum rules ask the forum moderators. Don't make yet another post questioning it and then berate anyone who dares answer. I did read the rules, and I didnt find anything either of my posts violated sans discussing moderating bias. And I never drew first blood in the threads and no action or moderation was taken against those who did. So don't slap me with the whip and then cry out in pain. Once again to repeat something that was stated before that you fail to understand; these forums belong to CCP, hence their property. They can do with it as they see fit, even censor people, so conduct your self accordingly to the rules even with loose interpretations of the rules.
I would be glad to and have thus far, sans discussing of forum topics that are not listed as incompatible with EVE general chat and asking for clarification of those un noted yet apparently taboo subjects. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
760
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:42:00 -
[69] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No the community does not. Just because you state it doesn't make it so. The community does not WHAT? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
295
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:42:00 -
[70] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Shian Yang wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:No sir i'm not fishing for inflammatory responses. Under that logic nothing that would change EVE from 0 day could be discussed because not a single change in EVE has ever occured without having upset at least one person. I genuinely believe in that which I type and to insinuate I do not is a grave insult to my character. Greetings capsuleer, Then desist with this public display of rage and take it to a formal petition. As we cannot provide you with a response and it is exceptionally unlikely that CCP will provide a public response in a thread that was created and sustained to antagonise other capsuleers. Regards, Shian Yang A petition does not allow the community to weigh in on the issue presented. And further any response recieved from the petition wouldn't be allowed to be discussed with the public. Therefore what you are suggesting is in essence never posting that which I feel affects the community in any way that the community would be allowed to involve themselves in the discussion. You are questioning forum moderation, a discussion that one of us can have, hence Shians suggestion that you take this to a petition. No im not. Im asking for clarification on topics that are allowed or disallowed in EVE general discussion and toying with incompetents.
So you admit you are attempting to discus moderation, good, now we are getting somewhere.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:44:00 -
[71] - Quote
It appears English comprehension isn't your strong point. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
749
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:44:00 -
[72] - Quote
CSM topics go in Jita Park
Discussions of ideas for the game go in F&I
Scams, mercs, etc go in C&P
Alliance Tournament discussion goes in the AT subforum
Market talk goes in MD
These things are not difficult to grasp eh |
gulftobay
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
Hey martyr dude, you weren't censored - your 39 page idea thread is alive and well in Features & Ideas Discussion
Low self-esteem?-á Bored?-á-áLonely?-á |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:47:00 -
[74] - Quote
This isn't relevant to the current topic. I know where the thread is. This topic once again for the daft byproduct of western education is about clarification of topics that are allowed in EVE general discussion.
If there is a subforum for every topic of EVE then what is General Discussions purpose? Is it to ask A/S/L/ of EVE players? Enlighten me. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
750
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:50:00 -
[75] - Quote
EVE GD is for EVE-related discussions that do not fit in the context of the other sections. If you posted a thread in GD asking about the sweet spot between DPS and tank on a Proteus it'd be moved to Ships and Modules. If you posted a thread asking what setup is best for blitzing Guristas missions it'd be moved to Missions and Complexes. The moderators do not necessarily need to agree with your wish to reach out to the largest possible audience. eh |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
760
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:52:00 -
[76] - Quote
You should learn how quoting works, you know that? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
297
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:53:00 -
[77] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Im asking for clarification on topics that are allowed or disallowed in EVE general discussion
As per forum rules, post a petition. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
gulftobay
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:53:00 -
[78] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:This isn't relevant to the current topic. I know where the thread is. This topic once again for the daft byproduct of western education is about clarification of topics that are allowed in EVE general discussion.
If there is a subforum for every topic of EVE then what is General Discussions purpose? Is it to ask A/S/L/ of EVE players? Enlighten me.
Fine. Then I'm all for abolishing GD and not having to listen to this type of blather. You had an idea, get it?
Low self-esteem?-á Bored?-á-áLonely?-á |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:54:00 -
[79] - Quote
Okay can you provide an example of a topic that would fall under EVE General Discussion while not falling under another subforum. And If you can't could it be stated that the rules are selectively applied to posters and or ideas that certain people do not care for? And in doing so what that not indicate clear bias on a party that professes neutrality for the sake of the game? |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
755
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:56:00 -
[80] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Okay can you provide an example of a topicthat would fall under EVE General Discussion while not falling under another subforum.
I've already outlined this on this very page. eh |
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
302
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:57:00 -
[81] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Okay can you provide an example of a topic that would fall under EVE General Discussion while not falling under another subforum. And If you can't could it be stated that the rules are selectively applied to posters and or ideas that certain people do not care for? And in doing so what that not indicate clear bias from a party that professes neutrality for the sake of the game?
Nope, but you could always file a petition and ask the people who make the rules. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:58:00 -
[82] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not getting it. What exactly is able to be posted in this forum? It appears i've struck a nerve and now anything I post is removed. Yet slurs, snide remarks and general harassment isn't. Enlighten me, what qualifies as a general discussion of EVE?
not moderation discussion like you do with the OP
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
302
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:59:00 -
[83] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Okay can you provide an example of a topic that would fall under EVE General Discussion while not falling under another subforum. And If you can't could it be stated that the rules are selectively applied to posters and or ideas that certain people do not care for? And in doing so what that not indicate clear bias from a party that professes neutrality for the sake of the game?
Actually, because your English comprehension is so obviously lacking,
Richard Desturned wrote:EVE GD is for EVE-related discussions that do not fit in the context of the other sections. If you posted a thread in GD asking about the sweet spot between DPS and tank on a Proteus it'd be moved to Ships and Modules. If you posted a thread asking what setup is best for blitzing Guristas missions it'd be moved to Missions and Complexes. The moderators are not obligated to agree with your wish to reach out to the largest possible audience.
Sorry to copy pasta you Richard, but you put it perfectly. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:01:00 -
[84] - Quote
Once again can we get one example of a topic that would uniformly fall under general discussion?
Or are we at the point of open air admission of bias? |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
302
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:04:00 -
[85] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:And once again can we get one example of a topic that would uniformly fall under general discussion?
Or are we at the point of open air admission of bias?
example one
example 2
example 3
example 4
example 5
Get it? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:07:00 -
[86] - Quote
No I don't. There seems to be no apparent ruleset that determines whether something falls under general discussion. Which takes us back to open air admission of bias and censorship. |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
64
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:07:00 -
[87] - Quote
He doesn't now nor will he ever "Get it". Just stop posting and let this thread die. That way he can post another later. Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
308
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:09:00 -
[88] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No I don't. There seems to be no apparent ruleset that determines whether something falls under general discussion. Which takes us back to open air admission of bias and censorship.
Quoting myself here
Cutter Isaacson wrote: If you had bothered to actually read Richards post you would have noted something. The key to posting on GD is to make sure that your thread does not fit in to the context of one of the other forum sections. Your idea about the feature known as "local" clearly falls under the heading of Features and Ideas.
Read this slowly, take each word in and hold it in your mind. Practice doing this a few dozen times and perhaps it will stick. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
756
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:09:00 -
[89] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No I don't. There seems to be no apparent ruleset that determines whether something falls under general discussion. Which takes us back to open air admission of bias and censorship.
If they sought to "censor" you they would have deleted the thread entirely (i.e. it'd 404) and you'd be set read-only. This is not the case.
The "ruleset" is like this:
1) Does it fall within the context of another forum section? Post it there. 2) If not 1), is it EVE related? Post it in GD. 3) Not EVE related? Post it in OOPE. eh |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
308
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:09:00 -
[90] - Quote
Kimmi Chan wrote:He doesn't now nor will he ever "Get it". Just stop posting and let this thread die. That way he can post another later.
Aww, but its fun party pooper. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:10:00 -
[91] - Quote
You're right I never will because people who struggle defending a position are linking random various posts in an attempt to convey some format that the rules follow. When by the postings linked show that precisely no format exists. Its not unwillingness. its incompetent instruction. Essentially the rules are made up on the fly and used to silence critique or opinion whoever is moderating decides unworthwhile. |
Vanria Vexed
Posiden Industrial
3
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:11:00 -
[92] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No I don't. There seems to be no apparent ruleset that determines whether something falls under general discussion. Which takes us back to open air admission of bias and censorship.
For everything that cannot be specifically defined and laid out in the rules falls under CCP's discretion. If a mod feels that certain topics fit elsewhere they will move it. Get over it, move on and quit feeling like you are being tormented. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:14:00 -
[93] - Quote
Or said another way, open air bias and prejudice. |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
66
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:15:00 -
[94] - Quote
Kimmi Chan wrote:If you really want to know what is and is not acceptable in GD then read the forum rules. If you have questions about the forum rules ask the forum moderators. Don't make yet another post questioning it and then berate anyone who dares answer.
Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:17:00 -
[95] - Quote
Kimmi Chan wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:If you really want to know what is and is not acceptable in GD then read the forum rules. If you have questions about the forum rules ask the forum moderators. Don't make yet another post questioning it and then berate anyone who dares answer.
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:If you really want to know what is and is not acceptable in GD then read the forum rules. If you have questions about the forum rules ask the forum moderators. Don't make yet another post questioning it and then berate anyone who dares answer. I did read the rules, and I didnt find anything either of my posts violated sans discussing moderating bias. And I never drew first blood in the threads and no action or moderation was taken against those who did. So don't slap me with the whip and then cry out in pain.
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Vanria Vexed
Posiden Industrial
4
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:20:00 -
[96] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Or said another way, open air bias and prejudice.
Every company is "bias" to their own success, and will defend themselves how they feel to continue onward to their idea of success. You alone on this failure of a crusade, and playing a self defined martyr, will not change that fact. ONCE AGAIN, learn that mods have freedom to that which you cannot and move on. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:23:00 -
[97] - Quote
If by freedom you mean to overtly display bias and prejudice you are correct. But to go on fraudulently proclaiming yourself fair and impartial in all things EVE, you're wrong. The last time the community was treated as a worthless factor the company downsized. Are you sure thats the best course of action? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2327
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:27:00 -
[98] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not getting it. What exactly is able to be posted in this forum? It appears i've struck a nerve and now anything I post is removed. Yet slurs, snide remarks and general harassment isn't. Enlighten me, what qualifies as a general discussion of EVE? Greetings capsuleer, Your original discussion on the influence of Local was moved to Features and Ideas. You then spammed the forum by repeating the topic, despite having them locked. Admittedly, capsuleer Crimson, Lord Zim and Cutter was instrumental in getting one of those threads locked, but as capsuleer Crimson has said: DMC wrote:I personally detest seeing that and have been guilty of doing that myself in the past. But I was shown the error of my ways and have vowed to post replies as per Forum Rules. Now when I see it getting out of hand, I'll post a reminder to those involved and if continued, will just issue 'Report Cards'. He is a stickler for the forum rules and you should listen to him. What the owners of this board says is what the rules are. And these rules have determined that your discussion should go to Features and Ideas and that repeated occurences of that topic will be locked. I am correct in this, am I not capsuleer Crimson? Regards, Shian Yang Capsuleer Yang,
Yes, you're correct in saying I made that statement and am now, as you put it, a 'stickler' for the forum rules.
I also agree that myself, Lord Zim and Cutter Isaacson, along with other players, contributed to the lock which was not my intention. However, the way you present my statement and the fact that you omitted the first part of it consequently bolsters your post and implies that my statement was directed towards Caliph Muhammed, which it most certainly was not.
When viewed in it's entirety, my statement definitely paints a different picture :
Quote:Nonetheless, everything I posted is true. The OP was perfectly fine and had some legitimate replies. However, he was personally attacked by others who were trying to incite a flame war and derail this thread by posting sarcastic, disrespectful, demeaning, berating and offensive replies directed towards the OP.
I personally detest seeing that and have been guilty of doing that myself in the past. But I was shown the error of my ways and have vowed to post replies as per Forum Rules. Now when I see it getting out of hand, I'll post a reminder to those involved and if continued, will just issue 'Report Cards'. Obviously by then the only players active in the thread was myself, Lord Zim and Cutter Isaacson. Due to it continuing, I did what I said I would do which resulted in various replies being removed (expected) and ultimately the thread being locked (unexpected).
Regards,
DMC
Lord Zim wrote: Actually, the timeline is, he started a thread about removing local in GD, it went on and on and on for a long time, was moved to F&I, he then opened a thread in GD asking why the thread was moved, it was locked for discussing moderation, he started another thread where the OP was just a bunch of "fill in the blanks" sentences, that got locked and he started a new thread within 10 minutes with the exact same first post, only a different subject, which promptly got locked for being a duplicate of a locked thread.
And now we're here.
If recounting facts, let's present all the facts. While I don't know the actual specifics about the first 2 posted threads, those 2 threads are irrelevant pertaining to what happened in the 3rd thread.
The "Fill in the blanks" thread was fine for General Discussion, another 'fun type' thread like the 'Likes' or 'Avatar' threads, presented as a guessing game regardless of the hidden content. It even had some legitimate replies. Unfortunately it was immediately attacked by those with a cross to bare, resulting in events which were explained above. Now if some of the replies had exercised some restraint as per forum rules, possibly even ignored the thread instead of trying to lol flame it, that thread probably would have died out after a while. It definitely wouldn't have gained my attention. I will agree though that quickly posting another thread after that was indeed a bad move.
Now that brings us up to speed.
To the OP - Caliph Muhammed,
If you feel that you are being unjustly persecuted, file a complaint with Customer Service - Internal Affairs. That's what they are there for. Also there are various other ways to bring attention to your thread topic even if it is in F&I sub-forum, such as placing a link to it in your characters forum signature and your characters bio. You can also link it in local chat of various solar systems within Eve.
Best thing to do right now is not push the issue here and let it rest. Above all, just ignore these players who keep trying to antagonize you. DON'T FEED THEM. More than likely their intent is to get you raging. Just let it be.
As for me, well, no offense intended to anyone but I believe my reputation should be well known by now. If not, I welcome the opportunity to re-establish it whenever the need arises. Now with that all said, I really don't want to look over this thread cuz I'm done for today. However, tomorrow is another day.
DMC
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Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:53:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:If by freedom you mean to overtly display bias and prejudice you are correct. But to go on fraudulently proclaiming yourself fair and impartial in all things EVE, you're wrong. The last time the community was treated as a worthless factor the company downsized. Are you sure thats the best course of action?
The mods can only censor the forums and the forums are limited to an already paying population.
I have reported every post you've made in this thread. |
Grandpa Bill
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.06.04 04:00:00 -
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You know I see a lot of people saying things on this internet page thingie and just to what the topic is, is slightly random like my grandson Frank. One time we were out froggin and we come upon this one that just wouldnt stay still like it was on some kind of drug or something. There was this one boy down the road that liked to do drugs and we knew he did because he never mowed his yard. That yard was such a mess that when he would finally mow it, he would run somethin over that he didnt want to and that can be bad on your mower blade. Just remember that everytime you hit something big with the mower, check the blade to make sure its ok to continue running... |
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Vanria Vexed
Posiden Industrial
4
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Posted - 2012.06.04 04:05:00 -
[101] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
The mods can only censor the forums and the forums are limited to an already paying population.
Paying your subscription doesn't entitle you to berate/insult employees of CCP, it only entitles you to ability to agree with the EULA and play. You always have the option of not paying CCP and not playing the game if you are so truly offended by their ability to handle their customers. Feel free to fill out the survey they have for you as you cancel your account as to why you are doing so. |
EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.06.04 05:18:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Once again can we get one example of a topic that would uniformly fall under general discussion?
Or are we at the point of open air admission of bias?
yes one thing you dont do:
Reopening a locked thread by creating a new one is not allowed.
Recreating or reopening a thread that has been closed by a moderator is prohibited. Threads that have been closed by a moderator have been closed for the benefit of the community. Reopening a locked thread will result in its removal.
as we've heard you have done
Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful, provided that it is presented in a civil, factual manner. Tell us what you don't like and why and how you feel it could be improved. Posts that are not constructive, insulting or rude may be deleted, no matter how valid the ideas behind them may be.
Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.
Ranting is prohibited
A rant is a long-winded, redundant post, often filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.
Its not long winded no, but its a rant
This thread really violates these
and Im too tired to find the one that says you cant discuss moderation but there is one and again, you did it in the OP
also; read here:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules
Maybe itll answer your question
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 05:31:00 -
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I do not rant or ramble. I try and present an argument as concise as possible. To state otherwise is being intellectually dishonest. None of you are moderators, get a life.
Also you'll note that i'm not banned. You want to know why? Because I haven't violated any rules in spite of the lemmings parroting that fallacy. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
769
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Posted - 2012.06.04 05:38:00 -
[104] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:If by freedom you mean to overtly display bias and prejudice you are correct. But to go on fraudulently proclaiming yourself fair and impartial in all things EVE, you're wrong. The last time the community was treated as a worthless factor the company downsized. Are you sure thats the best course of action? They are not treating the community as a worthless factor tho.
Just you. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 05:40:00 -
[105] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:If by freedom you mean to overtly display bias and prejudice you are correct. But to go on fraudulently proclaiming yourself fair and impartial in all things EVE, you're wrong. The last time the community was treated as a worthless factor the company downsized. Are you sure thats the best course of action? They are not treating the community as a worthless factor tho. Just you.
And you as well when you decide to discuss a topic they find too disruptive or difficult to answer. You just sit back, drink a soda and buy a monocle from the nex store lemming. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
769
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Posted - 2012.06.04 05:43:00 -
[106] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:If by freedom you mean to overtly display bias and prejudice you are correct. But to go on fraudulently proclaiming yourself fair and impartial in all things EVE, you're wrong. The last time the community was treated as a worthless factor the company downsized. Are you sure thats the best course of action? They are not treating the community as a worthless factor tho. Just you. And you as well when you decide to discuss a topic they find too disruptive or difficult to answer. You just sit back, drink a soda and buy a monocle from the nex store lemming. Already been moderated more than once, sonny boy. Difference between me and you is I learned to stop doing what pissed them off. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
271
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Posted - 2012.06.04 05:45:00 -
[107] - Quote
Im not disagreeable. If we can get a concise listing of acceptable topics that are equally applied to everyone as well as posting rules applied in the same fashion i'd gladly do so. You can't expect me to guess at it can you?
I have an inclination that if The Mittani decided local had to go he wouldn't have his posts removed.
But alas were getting off topic, a forum violation! The topic is what topics are acceptable for general discussion?
And for the daft i'm looking for clarity by people who enforce the rules not an inconsequential trolls attempt at stating factually that which has never been factually stated. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
771
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Posted - 2012.06.04 05:50:00 -
[108] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Im not disagreeable. If we can get a concise listing of acceptable topics that are equally applied to everyone as well as posting rules applied in the same fashion i'd gladly do so. You can't expect me to guess at it can you?
I have an inclination that if The Mittani decided local had to go he wouldn't have his posts removed.
But alas were getting off topic, a forum violation! The topic is what topics are acceptable for general discussion. Your posts were not removed.
This thread was removed. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2331
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Posted - 2012.06.04 06:03:00 -
[109] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed -
Don't bother with these people, all they want to do is harass and enrage you, trying to derail and lock this thread.
I already gave you some ideas on how to get your message out to the public. Need to gain support first, then after a while can bring it back with reinforcements to counter all the anti-posting being done. If you honestly can't refrain and need to reply to this thread, use the 'Report' option.
Anyway, I'm done for today and need a rest, I suggest you do the same.
DMC |
Lord Zim
763
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Posted - 2012.06.04 06:21:00 -
[110] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No the community does not. Just because you state it doesn't make it so. This line of argumentation sounds eerily familiar. I wonder where I might've seen this before. |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
105
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Posted - 2012.06.04 06:25:00 -
[111] - Quote
Hi Caliph,
If you want to know why your thread was locked, please file a petition under the community tab and you will have your question answered.
This thread is actualy discussing moderation, which is prohibited as stated in the forum rules and therefor it is now closed. ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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