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Daedalus II
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: DETURK When Dominion is released, the answer is simple - if you want to control the space accessed by these stargates, you will be responsible for their monthly maintenance and upkeep.
So if we pay for the Stargate we should be able to decide who can use our Stargate.
Maybe that might just be possible! Say that your outmost systems works as gatekeepers for the inner systems. To be able to even get one level deeper into enemy space you have to knock over a whole system
To allow for some more interesting combat maybe smaller ships could be forced through blocked stargates. Say that battleships are blocked in border systems. One level further and battlecruisers are blocked too. Another level and only frigates and destroyers can get through.
A frigate with a cyno could sneak 5 jumps in and light a cyno for a capital or black ops fleet
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cergorach
Originally by: CCP Abathur
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane 2. Home improvement only works if you can home improve a dispro moon. No one is interested in home improving a veldspar belt.
Think bigger.
Discovering new planets/moons? An automated (mineral) mining facility? An isk printing factory? ;-)
A planet is bigger than a moon, so that'll be it. Makes sense ...
Cue planetary warfare in the next expansion/Dust ... -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:32:00 -
[123]
Originally by: CCP Abathur
Originally by: ArmyOfMe sounds very good.sadly with the income the larger alliances gets from moons they will have no issue paying for the upkeep of all the regions if they wanted.
We are well aware of how the current state of moon goo affects affairs in EVE. We have dedicated people who love all things mathematical that are researching this issue. More info will be coming soon.
♥♥♥♥ sounds promising
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:33:00 -
[124]
this sounds great for now, perhaps as more of the mechanics are revealed we will considering moving from low sec, maybe. -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr!
Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail.
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Winters Chill
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:34:00 -
[125]
Sounds cool.
Looking forward to it.
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Since it's all about mapping out resources that are already there, the system also has a lot of extensibility built in. It could be adapted to allow us to scan out comets for comet mining, for example.
This is a brilliant idea!
Imagine scanning out rare and hard-to-find comets that are moving, then when you've got one pinned down, getting a group of nano ships with mining lasers strapped on speeding at 2-5km/s to keep up with the comet burning across the grid. It would be a very different style of resource gathering than anything there is in the game atm and the comets could yield very valuable resources.
It would be a nice change to using mining barges and exhumers for every mining operation too and for plenty of the old players it will be a welcome reminder of trying to mine in frigates and cruisers back in the days before RMR.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand...
Whoever mentioned planets as use for resource-gathering, i'd imagine the colonization idea might be implemented with Dominion. For those that don't know what it is, check the CSM wiki here. It would be tied in with Dust as well as the fact that CCP say small gangs can disrupt sov, so this idea is very feasible.
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Full Bowl
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:35:00 -
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Ha! Large alliance tears!
control 1 system = 25mil per month/gate control 2 systems = 50mil per month/gate 3 = 100mil 4 = 150mil etc.etc.etc.
better be using every system you have to make isk! |
Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:45:00 -
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On the splitting the alliance in little chunks:
Lets say, jumpbridges require both ends to be held by the same alliance and other infrastructure upgrades require the same alliance to hold the constellation. Then you could split up the alliance to save on gate maintenance, at the cost of slowboating everywhere. The other option would be to forgo the top tier constellation upgrades and lose money and functionality.
There are plenty of ways to make splitting the alliance more costly than splitting it up will pay.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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ElvenLord
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:46:00 -
[129]
Originally by: CCP Abathur As you can see, we are not doing this by half measures. The quicksand box is about to get bigger and badder than ever. This is EVE Online - Dominion.
There, now its corrected. Will post some questions for ya later this day. As this "new" sov idea sooooooo much resembles (not to say almost the same) certain "Sovereignty 2.0" proposal that has been send to CCP few month ago (maybe even a year).
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal what work? You just held it for a while :P
well unfortunately for you, a lot of alliances/corporations (even eve uni at one point in its past) invested way more into securing their space, then the actual profit they made. Risk everybody agreed and accepted was that losing your investment by the simple wit and/or tactics made by another player or group was OK, but in this case you have CCP that screws you over (and screw up)time and time again
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal even if it amounts to the same sort of sieges, isnt sieging 1 structure in a system better than having to siege 10?
Its actually several structures, not 1
Originally by: CCP Abathur Through the investment of time, money and effort at all levels, an alliance will be able to directly affect the value of and develop the space they hold...
Yes, and we all just need to forget time, money and effort put on all levels in the past years like it never happened. Great job there
As said some questions etc to follow.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:54:00 -
[130]
EVE Online: CTF
Joking.
Anything should be better than what we currently have. |
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:55:00 -
[131]
Originally by: ArmyOfMe Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 09/09/2009 15:45:18
Originally by: CCP Abathur
Originally by: ArmyOfMe sounds very good.sadly with the income the larger alliances gets from moons they will have no issue paying for the upkeep of all the regions if they wanted.
We are well aware of how the current state of moon goo affects affairs in EVE. We have dedicated people who love all things mathematical that are researching this issue. More info will be coming soon.
♥♥♥♥ sounds promising
It does indeed. And with the moon goo problem sorted, the removal of T2 BPOs should be a given as well! Finally a level playing field for all industrial characters! What's not to like?
I agree, sounds promising indeed! -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Hethor
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:58:00 -
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Are there going to be true borders to sovereign space? As in, will this change make it so invaders are forced to take the edges of space before they can even access the more protected areas? Would be nice so that people can't just get free reign to roam wherever the hell they want in space that supposedly is vastly controlled by another alliance. |
Tranca
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:58:00 -
[133]
Originally by: ElvenLord
Originally by: CCP Abathur As you can see, we are not doing this by half measures. The quicksand box is about to get bigger and badder than ever. This is EVE Online - Dominion.
There, now its corrected. Will post some questions for ya later this day. As this "new" sov idea sooooooo much resembles (not to say almost the same) certain "Sovereignty 2.0" proposal that has been send to CCP few month ago (maybe even a year).
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal what work? You just held it for a while :P
well unfortunately for you, a lot of alliances/corporations (even eve uni at one point in its past) invested way more into securing their space, then the actual profit they made. Risk everybody agreed and accepted was that losing your investment by the simple wit and/or tactics made by another player or group was OK, but in this case you have CCP that screws you over (and screw up)time and time again
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal even if it amounts to the same sort of sieges, isnt sieging 1 structure in a system better than having to siege 10?
Its actually several structures, not 1
Originally by: CCP Abathur Through the investment of time, money and effort at all levels, an alliance will be able to directly affect the value of and develop the space they hold...
Yes, and we all just need to forget time, money and effort put on all levels in the past years like it never happened. Great job there
As said some questions etc to follow.
Shed some more tears large alliances.....we need more whining from all of you!
All of you 0.0 alliances complained on how Sov sucked and how POS bashing and camping and sitting in POS shields was the ultimate bore. Well, as the saying goes....careful what you wish for. Because now you have it. And what do you do? You cry over it!
Sweet. Sweet indeed!
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SIR PRIME
Minmatar Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Originally by: Da Maddness Will systems that already have SOV be given a 'flag' in each system they have SOV in?
Also will SOV 3 and above systems have their infrastructure upgraded to begin with or will the months/years of work they have done to their space have been made in vain?
what work? You just held it for a while :P
I guess you just demonstrated that being a CSM involves no knowledge of the eve universe outside your personal little viewpoint. If you bothered to open your eyes you'd realise there are regions of 0.0 Eve that are actually open to neutrals and blues alike and coincidentally Providence is the most developed region of space both in terms of a resident population and of the number of outposts.
I'm happy to know that building forty two outposts, many of them upgraded, took no work, nor do the non stop defensive gangs we and other residents run. Coincidentally, we hold for Amarr whats considered to be the most crap region of 0.0 so we've had to do everything off our own backs and through sheer grind.
That work.
Loyal Slave
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.09 15:59:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Scatim Helicon on 09/09/2009 16:03:37
Originally by: Full Bowl better be using every system you have to make isk!
ahaha yeah lets make 0.0 so expensive that only dedicated alliances full of macro-ratters and chinese farming teams can afford to live there sweet idea bro hi5
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: SIR PRIME
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Originally by: Da Maddness Will systems that already have SOV be given a 'flag' in each system they have SOV in?
Also will SOV 3 and above systems have their infrastructure upgraded to begin with or will the months/years of work they have done to their space have been made in vain?
what work? You just held it for a while :P
I guess you just demonstrated that being a CSM involves no knowledge of the eve universe outside your personal little viewpoint. If you bothered to open your eyes you'd realise there are regions of 0.0 Eve that are actually open to neutrals and blues alike and coincidentally Providence is the most developed region of space both in terms of a resident population and of the number of outposts.
I'm happy to know that building forty two outposts, many of them upgraded, took no work, nor do the non stop defensive gangs we and other residents run. Coincidentally, we hold for Amarr whats considered to be the most crap region of 0.0 so we've had to do everything off our own backs and through sheer grind.
That work.
And all that work should have put you in the right position to leverage the return of that work into keeping the regions you have under control right after the expansion.
I think the point is that you or anyone else do not have a claim on that space. If you're not willing to fight for it, you shouldn't have it. That's the way it should be.
But don't start crying just yet, we've yet to see how all this will be implemented. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:05:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Tranca
Shed some more tears large alliances.....we need more whining from all of you!
All of you 0.0 alliances complained on how Sov sucked and how POS bashing and camping and sitting in POS shields was the ultimate bore. Well, as the saying goes....careful what you wish for. Because now you have it. And what do you do? You cry over it!
Sweet. Sweet indeed!
I don't know what you're talking. I am really looking forward to new, horribly pubbie alliances trying to take space and crushing them.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:06:00 -
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<quote>Increasing gate upkeep fees based on empire size? This will further discourage huge empires and holding space you dont really need.</quote>
Unless it's done cleverly, you'll just see GoonSwarm, GoonMob, GoonGang, GoonPile, GoonRiot, GoonGoon and GoonNoog alliances holding adjacent space in the massive space continent all will come to know as GoonTopia.
If the cost depends on how many hostile alliances you have on your borders (safer = more expensive) then the napfest will just be informal; if it depends on how much you're being attacked, then you and your fake enemies just make fake attacks that deliberately fail. If the cost goes up the longer you hold the space, then you just swap space with a friendly enemy.
Never forget that the real endgame in EVE is twisting game mechanics to induce alcoholism in the dev staff, and drinking bitter, bitter dev tears. World Domination - It's fun for the entire family! EViE - The iPhone / iPod Touch Skill Training Monitor
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:06:00 -
[139]
Can you CCP guys stop saying Starbases for POS. Sure sure it stands for... but POS is more clear.
Also YAAAY cool features.
Quote: Who makes sure all those stargates in 0.0 continue to run? Who pays the bills to the crews and funds essential services to ensure there are no breakdowns? When Dominion is released, the answer is simple - if you want to control the space accessed by these stargates, you will be responsible for their monthly maintenance and upkeep.
Not pay the bill. Cyno everything in and out? Someone else then has to pay the bill for you?
non-sov systems cant be gone to? ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Tar om
Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:12:00 -
[140]
Least detailed devblog ever. -- Come join the carebear napfest train, everyone is welcome! |
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Ruby Kahn
Masters of Noise
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:13:00 -
[141]
Great plans! Love the ideas! _O_
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:13:00 -
[142]
Looks good for an overview, we need more info.
I like the idea of Treaties, something we've needed for a long time.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Antiquus Inflatio
Amarr Phoenix Propulsion Labs
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:14:00 -
[143]
Wow 2500 faction towers.... I need to start up a Craigslist for eve....
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:15:00 -
[144]
Will Alliance/Corp/POS/Can security also be getting an overhaul with this?
The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
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G'ulSera
Masters of Noise
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:21:00 -
[145]
Great plans! Love how you worked that out! _O_ It should be fun times in Dominion! Fight To Survive, Survive To Fight Messing up your mind with the sound of destruction *The difference between a killer and a soldier is a question of loyalty* |
GPFS
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:28:00 -
[146]
Edited by: GPFS on 09/09/2009 16:29:41 Edited by: GPFS on 09/09/2009 16:29:25 So you keep nerfing everything in game...to make it more easy for the noobs ( the titan nerf that's comming, "mommy...mommy I got DD and lost me fancy ship" ). Big alliances spend tons of work and time to get a hold on the space they have (set up POS towers defend them), and now you decide to stick a middle finger in their ***. I wonder how much more abuse can your players ( customers ) take . Way to go, that's the proper way to treat your customers...People never learn that big and radical changes don't do so well with the ppl.
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Vereesa
Gallente THORN Syndicate Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:30:00 -
[147]
I think this could be very good, if by upgrading the systems means putting structures that allow alliance members to 'see' things like asteroid belts that can't otherwise be located'. the gang aspect would I suppose be the gangs shooting these structures and rendering the new resources unavailable for a short period.
I only have two concerns. 1st, the current sov level creates a buffer so a well established alliance can't lose all of its space to one uber- blob fleet from hell that goes on a killing spree. So I'd hope that incorporated into the new sov mechanics is a similar buffer, because I assume the system control module is going to be a very, very tough target indeed, much more so than a POS.
My second, and main concern is will the current sov holders maintain sovereignty directly after the patch is released? If the modules have to be built and put online, I can see most of the EVE alliances imploding or losing a lot of space to new alliances taking advantage of all of 0.0 becoming sovless temporarily.
PS: I hope dreadnoughts still play a big role, because I just spent a year training for one
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: GPFS Edited by: GPFS on 09/09/2009 16:29:41 Edited by: GPFS on 09/09/2009 16:29:25 So you keep nerfing everything in game...to make it more easy for the noobs ( the titan nerf that's comming, "mommy...mommy I got DD and lost me fancy ship" ). Big alliances spend tons of work and time to get a hold on the space they have (set up POS towers defend them), and now you decide to stick a middle finger in their ***. I wonder how much more abuse can your players ( customers ) take . Way to go, that's the proper way to treat your customers...People never learn that big and radical changes don't do so well with the ppl.
you should probably not post again _____________________________________________
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Slave 2739FKZ
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:35:00 -
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There will be Threadnaughts. And Bug. And this is all ready generating tears, so it's all excellent and business as usual.
Could end being quite cool actually. WIS is an expansion which allows EVE players to wear leather and walk around stations.
Dust514 is a console shooter/rts which will tie into EVE and affect sov. |
ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.09.09 16:38:00 -
[150]
Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 09/09/2009 16:38:25
Originally by: GPFS Edited by: GPFS on 09/09/2009 16:29:41 Edited by: GPFS on 09/09/2009 16:29:25 So you keep nerfing everything in game...to make it more easy for the noobs ( the titan nerf that's comming, "mommy...mommy I got DD and lost me fancy ship" ). Big alliances spend tons of work and time to get a hold on the space they have (set up POS towers defend them), and now you decide to stick a middle finger in their ***. I wonder how much more abuse can your players ( customers ) take . Way to go, that's the proper way to treat your customers...People never learn that big and radical changes don't do so well with the ppl.
not sure if you have noticed, but it was actually players that wanted this change in the first place but i guess there is a reason that trolls hide behind alts right?
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