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Flying ZombieJesus
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Posted - 2009.09.11 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nika Dekaia
A pal of mine lost BS V not once, but twice. He did not run to the forums crying about his own dubness. I'm looking forward to his third screw-up, actually.
Maybe we know the same idiot.
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Stygian Hauler
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Posted - 2009.09.11 15:08:00 -
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System is good as it is.
You must learn to face the consequences for sloppy work. Otherwise this way is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOW
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thatbloke
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.11 15:57:00 -
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I read that first post and all I read was "WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
n00b mistake, perhaps an expensive one, but one thing: we all learn from our mistakes
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.09.11 15:58:00 -
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I agree.
Dying shouldnt hurt ur sp.
Instead getting podded should give you sp. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
159Pinky
Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2009.09.11 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Visir I was in a rage mood when i wrote this, no doubt.
This is not about being stupid or something, also i DO not make this mistake often. However i think that when there is a system that allows absolutely no way of regaining these skills, there should atlest be some kind of warning about it. This was as im sure atleast SOME of you were able to see, a situation where i simply wasn't paying attention to it becouse i was omw to a tradehub when i spotted this gang. (lowsec so i didt really think about it.. who would?)
To all of u still saying that everything has consequences in this game, thats fine. I have no problem with losing a ship or 20 in a day. If i forgot to bring ammo, OK. I ****ed up. Ill get a new ship. No harm done, just lost some virtual money. I lose my pod that isnt updated; Harm is actually done here since no amount of effort can replace whats lost. Thats really my point. Im not quiting becouse of this, i know that i will probably forget this atleast a few more times. All i ask is that there is SOME kind of warning and ill be happy with that. Also to the guy who said 'get some implants' l2read. If i lose my clone 5-10 times a day, then +3's are going to be expensive to replace all the time. If you dont do solo in 0.0 and lose your pod as often as me, then tbh im not interested in hearing how awesome you are. Fact is that its VERY easy to forget just once when your not really interested in surviving on ur roam, and mostly after the GF's.
Losing ships = OK cause they can be replaced. Losing SP = not OK cause they can't be replaced? So here you claim that noone should lose anything that can't be replaced. So what if I go pvp'ing in a Raven State Issue and lose it? I can't replace it so I shouldn't be able to lose it? One solution: get evemon.
And for the record: I don't do solo pvp in 0.0 and I prolly don't lose my pod as often as you do.
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Altus Morningstar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.11 17:01:00 -
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Cloning system should be left alone. The only thing I think it might need are audible verbal cues added in a la Aura for dunderheads such as myself.
- "Your clone is out of date. Please update as soon as possible."
- "New clone activated due to slight case of death. Please update as soon as possible."
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Leather Jack
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.13 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Good compromise would be to have a warning screen "you are about to undock with an outdated clone. Continue: Yes/No?"
Then it would be more about knowing risk than simply punishing players for forgetting to spend a rather arbitrary amount of money.
Simply this.
Like BBK said above. We have warnings on lowsec jumps, wormholes, firing on neutrals in highsec. Warnings that can be turned off for the 1337 crew. Game mechs that still keeps the consequence to action, But also keeps the teflon-brain crew playing aswell.
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Eli Porter
Amarr Altruism. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.09.13 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Leather Jack
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Good compromise would be to have a warning screen "you are about to undock with an outdated clone. Continue: Yes/No?"
Then it would be more about knowing risk than simply punishing players for forgetting to spend a rather arbitrary amount of money.
Simply this.
Like BBK said above. We have warnings on lowsec jumps, wormholes, firing on neutrals in highsec. Warnings that can be turned off for the 1337 crew. Game mechs that still keeps the consequence to action, But also keeps the teflon-brain crew playing aswell.
Yes.
It's probably the cruelest game mechanism in EVE at the moment. People forget and they should be punished, but they should always be able to mend mistakes through hard work. This is not possible with SP's, so a warning is the least CCP can do.
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RoboChop
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Posted - 2009.09.13 09:34:00 -
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Edited by: RoboChop on 13/09/2009 09:34:23 As I understand it, the mechanism is in place so that getting podded will cost you isk. The 'risk' involved is just moot. Either you forget about it or you don't, there's noone in their right mind that chooses to not upgrade. And the isk cost is almost negligable unless you are several years into the game, so from that standpoint it's a fairly pointless mechanism.
The only thing it does is punish people that for some reason had a brain fart in a way that cannot be reversed. Purely bad design if you ask me. And your analogies with ships lost and whatnot doesn't hold as there's no similiar thing as the SP loss from getting podded.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2009.09.13 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 13/09/2009 10:02:13 Works fine as it is!
A good game provokes emotions! Sometimes positive, sometimes negative! Without the negatives, the positive wouldn't be as good.
A good game also provides consequences! The OP made a noob mistake, got punished, will most likely remember the lesson and not do it again!
Besides, SP ARE replaceable, they just require time, just like earning ISK to replace a ship requires time. The player who only has time to do one L4 mission per week will take longer to recover from the loss of an uninsured BS than the OP to recover from his skill loss.
TBH, it sounds like the OP likes that the game has consequences, except when they hit himself....
SP loss when you don't have a clone is fine as it is!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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soulkiller3
Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.13 10:16:00 -
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Works fine as it is, WoW is that way -----------> move along.
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Pellit1
Caldari Bushwhackers Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.09.13 10:48:00 -
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It's a brilliant idea as you can actually LOSE something - unlike games like WoW e.t.c You should pay more attention. ------------- Rough Necks Alliance
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NightmareX
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.13 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2009 11:01:39
Originally by: soulkiller3 Works fine as it is, WoW is that way -----------> move along.
True.
I'm just happy we have some risks in EVE that makes EVE pretty nice and thrilling to play.
And if your in 0.0 space, you are already taking the risk of getting pwned to hell and back.
WoW is just meh, because it have no risks.
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2009.09.13 10:58:00 -
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I think the current system is not tough enough.
You should lose ALL skills when you get pod killed. Furthermore, a hand should reach out of the monitor and unplug your modem, slap you in the face, uninstall EVE for you and install a free trial of WOW.
That should get rid of the lamers once and for all.
Even the current CEO of CCP Games had a similar idea once Linkage kinda...
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Ralavina
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Posted - 2009.09.13 11:02:00 -
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Quote: The OP
Yes it's annoying - it's meant to be. That's why I like it.
I've lost Caldari BS5... 4 times now, HAC5 twice, Gallente BS 5 once, recon5 once and AWU5 once.
You've lost a million SP in 2 months? I've lost a lot more than that and haven't complained :p Ralara's banned again so this is my alt :p |
Vladimir Nabokov
Rapid Response Rescue and Repair
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Posted - 2009.09.13 11:16:00 -
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I think a good compromise would be a "default" clone level. That way players who die often do not need to constantly re-set their clone, but it would be assumed that they purchase another clone of the same level. Players would still have to set a new default once they train skills over the threshold of the current clone. It simply doesn't make sense why a player who last purchased a clone grade Beta would want a clone grade Alpha after getting podded. Purchase a Beta, keep it Beta, until player chooses to upgrade to Gamma. The game already assumes the new clone would be at the same location as the old clone. Why not also assume it would be of the same grade?
Its unfortunate that my opinion would probably get flamed to hell as much as the OP, since so many players are intent on keeping things as-is.
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Ydyp Ieva
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.09.14 12:16:00 -
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Happened only once to me, that was the time before I knew what a clone was. A few weeks after I started and ventured on a trip to visit a friend in 0.0. (He forgot to warn me for gatecamps, and 15km with a gatecamp on you as a new player is deadly).
So learn your lesson, and don't forget to update your clone or sit back and be angry at your own stupidity. ---------------------------------- None of yet! |
Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2009.09.14 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Che Biko on 14/09/2009 14:24:15
Originally by: Visir [...] I have no problem with losing a ship or 20 in a day. If i forgot to bring ammo, OK. I ****ed up. Ill get a new ship. No harm done, just lost some virtual money. I lose my pod that isnt updated; Harm is actually done here since no amount of effort can replace whats lost.
If that is actually true, I think you should bugreport it. If not, it's just virtual skillpoints. No harm, no consequense.
Originally by: AlleyKat I think the current system is not tough enough.
You should lose ALL skills when you get pod killed.
I actually thought it was like that (when you have only the basic clone), and thought it was great, being able to lose EVERYTHING!
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thesonarnet
Gallente Rukongai
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Posted - 2009.09.14 15:04:00 -
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Although it never happened to me I'm with the op on this one.
It's just an annoying little duty. I would love to see it replaced with something that really hurts the daily game-play. Stuff like if you get podded the ship class you used the last time (pods don't count) will be unusable for you for a few days. That would be awesome and killing someone would make a lot more fun. |
Brox Druga
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Posted - 2009.09.14 17:03:00 -
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So a couple of weeks ago, I pulled out of my driveway and started driving to school. I got about about ten to fifteen minutes into my drive when suddenly my car started to shudder and then the engine stopped working. I had no idea what was going on until I realized that I had forgotten to fill up my gas tank. Well, the nearest gas station was about five miles away and I had to WALK the whole way there and then BUY the gas and then WALK ALL THE WAY BACK TO MY CAR!!!! Well, that was freaking annoying because it took me so long. Time I could have spent doing other things like buying a breakfast burrito or being on time for class.
I personally don't think stuff like this should be allowed. I personally think that the car manufacturing company, the gas station, or the school (someone) should reimburse me for my time and money because of a mistake I made (i.e. not remembering to fill up my gas tank all the way the last time I was at the gas station). In order to prevent this from happening in the future, I think that before I pull out of my driveway in the morning a little window should pop up on my dashboard that says "You are about to pull out of your driveway and you have enough gas to make it about two blocks, you moron. Do you want to continue?"
Ok, so stupid example, but the short answer is: mistakes have consequences. As has been said before, hopefully you won't make that mistake again.
Or you could just boycott the system and stop buying clones altogether... see how far that gets you...
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