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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2012.06.06 10:57:00 -
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Degren wrote:Tornado alpha best alpha. No one does it cause killing hulks is cheaper and easier, are defenceless anyway while mining in belts
People willing to kill mission ships (scan them down, track them, bait them) do so on a regular basis.
First fixed some stuff
yadayada old rabble high sec far too rich yadayada blahblah Tengus blahblah carebears blahblah
brb |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2012.06.06 11:05:00 -
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Boomhaur wrote:Little heads up to all would be suicide ganking Tengu haters. Try Caldari space, they have a bounus to kinetic missiles, the rats there to my knowledge is weak to kinetic damage.
If you still find dudes missioning in Tengus with specific rat hardeners when subs at 5 lowest resist therm/kin is already -/+ 75%, those are idiots. If you still find dudes that don't have at least 1K extra dmg type missiles in their cargo, those are idiots.
Everyone knows an idiot mission ganker will always fit hardeners accordingly to the ship he's baiting: Tengu will for sure not be EM.
Then a single large ancillary shield booster is nothing hard to fit in to Tengus If those haven't fitted one yet, those are idiots
brb |
Amera Khan
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.06.06 11:51:00 -
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Holy Hannah! ! A whole plex???? Wow. Are u sure??? Has that much isk even ever been seen in game???? Jumping jehosaphate!! I cant believe it, a whole fking plex!!!! Sweet baby Jesus!!! |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
344
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:11:00 -
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Amera Khan wrote:Holy Hannah! ! A whole plex???? Wow. Are u sure??? Has that much isk even ever been seen in game???? Jumping jehosaphate!! I cant believe it, a whole fking plex!!!! Sweet baby Jesus!!!
I think you made her moist .......
Tal
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Kiteo Hatto
The Fiction Factory Blue Nation
117
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:02:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Amera Khan wrote:Holy Hannah! ! A whole plex???? Wow. Are u sure??? Has that much isk even ever been seen in game???? Jumping jehosaphate!! I cant believe it, a whole fking plex!!!! Sweet baby Jesus!!! I think you made her moist ....... Tal
Here Tal +1 |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
303
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:14:00 -
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Greyscale Dash wrote:Yet another excellent way to kill carebears for prizes!
Yeah a whole free plex , awsome |
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:58:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote: I'd just alpha them when they undock.
Oh look, 2 maelstorms (___ whatever else):
- Ctrl+Space-->dock, or - Warp to undocking bm, or finally - Hardeners on, full speed at 45 degrees |
Eyezpiddydafooh
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:09:00 -
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Degren wrote:Spineker wrote:Tears? I laugh at you poor jokers you are pathetic. Emotions running high in Spineker's corner.
This guy is going places in the world! |
Blanchet
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:32:00 -
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lol...OP if you put two more Plexes into that, i might think about selfdestructing my good old mission Domi. Come on..make the offer more tempting! |
Zanza Mechonis
Vulkan Innovations Valiant Star Operations
1
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Posted - 2012.06.06 17:31:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote:*puts paladin in the hangar and undocks in apoc* Yep, have fun.
This pretty much... Doesn't threaten ANYONE, the cost in the OP is exaggarated (or just overfit ships, which can never have such low EHP), and who will gank a lot of ships that have WAY more tank than an exhumer for a measly plex? Just buying the damn thing would be way cheaper... Nice try though ;D "On the internet you can be anything you want... It's strange that many people choose to be stupid." |
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
349
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Posted - 2012.06.06 17:34:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Amera Khan wrote:Holy Hannah! ! A whole plex???? Wow. Are u sure??? Has that much isk even ever been seen in game???? Jumping jehosaphate!! I cant believe it, a whole fking plex!!!! Sweet baby Jesus!!! I think you made her moist ....... Tal Here Tal +1
I've just been a little sick in my mouth.
Tal
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:33:00 -
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Degren wrote:Spineker wrote:Boring mission ship has no chance? Seriously what crack are you smoking? Especially Tengu.
yeah they die all ships die but a Tengu in the right hands you are silly. If they were that easy to kill everyone would do it. "The right hands" don't run missions. Tornado alpha best alpha. No one does it cause killing hulks is funnier and are in set locations (mine belts) People willing to kill mission ships (scan them down, track them, bait them) do so on a regular basis. Sometimes in iteron V's If I recall the Megathron killed was buffer fit and using large rails. Not to mention the pilot made the poor choice of engaging in his mission ship. Though without help, the same setup would likely be much less effective against a ship with decent maneuverability or the capacity to hit close targets. The tengu has both and even mission fit the encounter would probably have turned out differently provided the pilot was willing to engage. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:55:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Degren wrote:Spineker wrote:Boring mission ship has no chance? Seriously what crack are you smoking? Especially Tengu.
yeah they die all ships die but a Tengu in the right hands you are silly. If they were that easy to kill everyone would do it. "The right hands" don't run missions. Tornado alpha best alpha. No one does it cause killing hulks is funnier and are in set locations (mine belts) People willing to kill mission ships (scan them down, track them, bait them) do so on a regular basis. Sometimes in iteron V's If I recall the Megathron killed was buffer fit and using large rails. Not to mention the pilot made the poor choice of engaging in his mission ship. Though without help, the same setup would likely be much less effective against a ship with decent maneuverability or the capacity to hit close targets. The tengu has both and even mission fit the encounter would probably have turned out differently provided the pilot was willing to engage.
Well, even thou rails are the worst option for Vindis T2 short range rails ammo (+25% tracking) and Vindi web bonus (provided he wasn't that lazy and fitted one) he could have got it. Addition of lazy pilot with bad ship for "x" job and a lazier fit always leads to lol snowflake KM's brb |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:08:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Degren wrote:Spineker wrote:Boring mission ship has no chance? Seriously what crack are you smoking? Especially Tengu.
yeah they die all ships die but a Tengu in the right hands you are silly. If they were that easy to kill everyone would do it. "The right hands" don't run missions. Tornado alpha best alpha. No one does it cause killing hulks is funnier and are in set locations (mine belts) People willing to kill mission ships (scan them down, track them, bait them) do so on a regular basis. Sometimes in iteron V's If I recall the Megathron killed was buffer fit and using large rails. Not to mention the pilot made the poor choice of engaging in his mission ship. Though without help, the same setup would likely be much less effective against a ship with decent maneuverability or the capacity to hit close targets. The tengu has both and even mission fit the encounter would probably have turned out differently provided the pilot was willing to engage. Well, even thou rails are the worst option for Vindis T2 short range rails ammo (+25% tracking) and Vindi web bonus (provided he wasn't that lazy and fitted one) he could have got it. Addition of lazy pilot with bad ship for "x" job and a lazier fit always leads to lol snowflake KM's KM is linked here. This was a T1 megathron, not a Vindi, so no web bonus and it had T1 guns, so no T2 ammo. Granted the fit was poor for other reasons. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1359
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:11:00 -
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The point was mission runners **** fit. Even a non-shitfit mission runner is defenseless to a fleet of tornados, and it would actually be an isk efficient kill.
Too bad the reward is only a plex. You don't know |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:39:00 -
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Degren wrote:The point was mission runners **** fit. Even a non-shitfit mission runner is defenseless to a fleet of tornados, and it would actually be an isk efficient kill.
Too bad the reward is only a plex. I wasn't aware fitting for a purpose was poor fitting practice. And anything not setup like a brick is defenseless against a fleet of tornados, and in many cases fitting like that won't get the job done and just results in even more tonados from determined gankers. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:41:00 -
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Degren wrote:The point was mission runners **** fit. Even a non-shitfit mission runner is defenseless to a fleet of tornados, and it would actually be an isk efficient kill.
Too bad the reward is only a plex.
WTF do you care how other people fit their ships? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1178
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:12:00 -
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Just out of interest has anyone tried suicide-neuting mission runners?
I'm thinking about testing this on the test server, but am I right in thinking that you could probably kill a tengu purely by webbing, neuting and target painting it during it's mission?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:02:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: I'm thinking about testing this on the test server, but am I right in thinking that you could probably kill a tengu purely by webbing, neuting and target painting it during it's mission?
And that ship would be... Bhaalgorn? Also, it's hard to kill something that can warp off. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1178
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:10:00 -
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Niena Nuamzzar wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: I'm thinking about testing this on the test server, but am I right in thinking that you could probably kill a tengu purely by webbing, neuting and target painting it during it's mission?
And that ship would be... Bhaalgorn? Also, it's hard to kill something that can warp off. You can fit neuts on anything, it's a PvE T3, you can cap it out in a few cycles even with medium neuts.
And it can't warp off until concord comes and destroys you.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
791
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:14:00 -
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If you can find a better way to document this ( a private killboard that isn't 'feeded' or something) and I'll put up a decent chunk of change.
A list of fixes for the new inventory
Dual Pane idea clicky |
EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:01:00 -
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Degren wrote:Spineker wrote:Tornado hitting a tengu at 100+ with large guns? ALPHA STRIKE ALPHA SCRATCH. What happens when I get under your guns genius? You die in 2 or 5 volleys.
The Right hands don't run missions? I have done everything in this game from Null Sec to "Pirate" to small gang to fleet action. What makes you think you know anything? Because you won battles with more people than the enemy? WOW I mean WOW. Hi! Hello! Mission runners don't buffer fit. Often, they fit mission specific hardeners. 8 or so tornados will kill most mission running tengus, navy issue ravens, machs, etc, etc. Grats to you for not being completely ********? Maybe? Something? Hush now. Spineker wrote:Yes you were stroking. Your tornado is ****.
Please come attack me with your tornado please. Oh I get it. You think I mean solo. Clearly, sweetcheeks, I mean group ganks. Even a weak buffer tank on a mission ship would stop a solo ganker.
I like all the talking like youll do it lol
Very Napoleon Dynamite I could totally do this but I dont WANT to....
Im too rich to lose 8 tornadoes to gank a Tengu |
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:40:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: You can fit neuts on anything, it's a PvE T3, you can cap it out in a few cycles even with medium neuts.
Neuting capabilities are not the on... first reason why i've mentioned Bhaalgorn. I'm sure you know there's more to it |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1178
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:51:00 -
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Niena Nuamzzar wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: You can fit neuts on anything, it's a PvE T3, you can cap it out in a few cycles even with medium neuts.
Neuting capabilities are not the on... first reason why i've mentioned Bhaalgorn. I'm sure you know there's more to it Neuting capabilities are what? And why would you suicide gank in a pirate faction BS, that's just silly.
My point is that even my rather shiny wh tengu only has ~2,700 capacitor capacity. And that's with the cap reservoir subsystem and a capacitor battery, since it runs at ~50% cap stable you could easily cap it out with medium neuts. A regular tengu would be capped out even faster.
Makes me think two gank canes with neuts would actually be better for killing t3s than tornados. Might be best with one cane and a tornado, or two canes and a tornado. I suppose it depends on the NPC DPS in the mission.
But anyway, my observation was merely that you could probably gank a T3 more effectively with neuts than alpha or pure DPS. I'll have to test it on sisi later with my alts.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.06.07 02:23:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Niena Nuamzzar wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: You can fit neuts on anything, it's a PvE T3, you can cap it out in a few cycles even with medium neuts.
Neuting capabilities are not the on... first reason why i've mentioned Bhaalgorn. I'm sure you know there's more to it Neuting capabilities are what? And why would you suicide gank in a pirate faction BS, that's just silly. My point is that even my rather shiny wh tengu only has ~2,700 capacitor capacity. And that's with the cap reservoir subsystem and a capacitor battery, since it runs at ~50% cap stable you could easily cap it out with medium neuts. A regular tengu would be capped out even faster. Makes me think two gank canes with neuts would actually be better for killing t3s than tornados. Might be best with one cane and a tornado, or two canes and a tornado. I suppose it depends on the NPC DPS in the mission. But anyway, my observation was merely that you could probably gank a T3 more effectively with neuts than alpha or pure DPS. I'll have to test it on sisi later with my alts.
you will have at max 20seconds to kill the victim before concord shows up. You are not going to neut him\her out and kill them in that time, it will have to be an alpha strike. But curious to know your testing out come
Missile enhancers.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1235061& |
Price Check Aisle3
81
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Posted - 2012.06.07 02:36:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Im too rich to lose 8 tornadoes to gank a Tengu You don't need Tornados to gank a Tengu. Scope out your target, find one that's active-tanked, get a few friends in Thrashers and blow the **** out of that smug Tengu when it undocks. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1361
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:18:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Degren wrote:The point was mission runners **** fit. Even a non-shitfit mission runner is defenseless to a fleet of tornados, and it would actually be an isk efficient kill.
Too bad the reward is only a plex. I wasn't aware fitting for a purpose was poor fitting practice. And anything not setup like a brick is defenseless against a fleet of tornados, and in many cases fitting like that won't get the job done and just results in even more tonados from determined gankers.
Katja Faith wrote:Degren wrote:The point was mission runners **** fit. Even a non-shitfit mission runner is defenseless to a fleet of tornados, and it would actually be an isk efficient kill.
Too bad the reward is only a plex. WTF do you care how other people fit their ships?
Hi. Welcome to the conversation. As you can see above, people were doubting the ability of gankers to alpha/gank mission ships.
Additionally, people were suggesting no one would go through the effort to gank mission ships.
The iteron V video handily showed both claims (gank, not alpha) are false. All the talk about having a fleet of tornados was to counter the latter point.
Return to your **** posting, mouth breathers. You don't know |
0ccupy 4-4
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:27:00 -
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Buttmad Dredditor
Just because some people already gank mission ships doesn't mean people are going to come together to do it so they can possibly win a plex. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1361
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:29:00 -
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0ccupy 4-4 wrote: Buttmad Dredditor Just because some people already gank mission ships doesn't mean people are going to come together to do it so they can possibly win a plex.
Hence the "too bad it's just a plex" You don't know |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:37:00 -
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Degren wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Degren wrote:The point was mission runners **** fit. Even a non-shitfit mission runner is defenseless to a fleet of tornados, and it would actually be an isk efficient kill.
Too bad the reward is only a plex. I wasn't aware fitting for a purpose was poor fitting practice. And anything not setup like a brick is defenseless against a fleet of tornados, and in many cases fitting like that won't get the job done and just results in even more tonados from determined gankers. Katja Faith wrote:Degren wrote:The point was mission runners **** fit. Even a non-shitfit mission runner is defenseless to a fleet of tornados, and it would actually be an isk efficient kill.
Too bad the reward is only a plex. WTF do you care how other people fit their ships? Hi. Welcome to the conversation. As you can see above, people were doubting the ability of gankers to alpha/gank mission ships. Additionally, people were suggesting no one would go through the effort to gank mission ships. The iteron V video handily showed both claims (gank, not alpha) are false. All the talk about having a fleet of tornados was to counter the latter point. Return to your **** posting, mouth breathers. I'll admit that I, apparently erroneously, assumed you were referring to suicide ganking but the conversation seemed to revolve around tornados which excel as suicide ganking ships due to their alpha.
The link you posted in response was not a suicide gank so I addressed that directly for the merits it contained, but then you went back to tornados, which led me to believe you were back on the subject of "suicide" ganking vs combat in general, though how that Itty V vs. Megathron fight counts as a gank I'm not sure as the mega chose (foolishly) to engage IIRC.
This doesn't, however negate the point that fitting accordingly to the task you are trying to accomplish is usually a good decision. I still don't see how doing so qualifies as a poor decision. Mission runners typically have to deal with sustained incoming damage more than a sudden alpha so concentrating on EHP in particular doesn't make sense. How is this fundamentally wrong?
Maybe you have an explanation that relies on something other than insults? |
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