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Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:48:00 -
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The time it takes to train everything in EVE to it's maximum base potential doesn't seem very sane really. Isn't 18+ years of training a bit much?
Simple suggestion: Take the character with the most SP and add 1 month's worth of SP on top of that. Now compress the time it takes to complete all skills to level V proportionately so that it equals that character's total training plus 1 month. After doing that give back the total SP lost in compressing all those skill times. Of course, you would do this for everyone.
Doing this will reduce everyone's training time without alienating those of the highest SP level.
I think this is an equitable suggestion and will help bring about a saner EVE.
Maybe it will help EVE out of beta a little bit too... |
Martin0
Maximum-Overload M-A-T-R-I-X Allianz
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:51:00 -
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Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:52:00 -
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But but but :endgame: . |
Marcus Ichiro
Kif Korp
31
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:52:00 -
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Training everything isn't the point. The point is that you're supposed to specialise. |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
535
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:55:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:The time it takes to train everything in EVE to it's maximum base potential doesn't seem very sane really. Isn't 18+ years of training a bit much?
Simple suggestion: snipp.
Simple suggestion: why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
Who needs television when you have EVE? EVE drama, best drama. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
186
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:55:00 -
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you are not supposed to be able to train everything - even if characters would reach the 18 years mark CCP would just add some new skills for another few years of training.
on the gameplay side the rationale is that EVE is all about meaningful trade-offs and that forced specialization encourages cooperation between players.
on the financial side forced specialization encourages players to get their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, .... accounts - if I could train everything on my main in a realistic timeframe I wouldn't be paying to train 3 alts at the same time. |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
31
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:56:00 -
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Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything.
Did I suggest anyone train all the skills to level V, nope.
Was I implying such a thing, nope.
All I am after is to reduce the overall time it takes to train individual skills in general, not to train them all to level V.
I am suggesting training in EVE simply takes too long in general and that reducing that time overall without harming the highest SP players as an equitable solution.
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
240
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:57:00 -
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Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. This basically.
Choose your path carefully.
Time CAN pass quicker for you though. Train Binge Drinking to at least level 3 and just watch that training queue skip forward! EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
31
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:57:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:But but but :endgame:
Look at the post above your's.
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
518
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:58:00 -
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As others have said. You will never reach the "level" cap. There are other games for that. |
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Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
31
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:58:00 -
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Marcus Ichiro wrote:Training everything isn't the point.
I wasn't saying it is. Just that it takes too long overall.
Marcus Ichiro wrote:The point is that you're supposed to specialise.
Indeed, and this change would make that just a little quicker now wouldn't it. |
Tallon Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:02:00 -
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Scam pubbies. Use your ill gotten isk to buy a variety of characters with all the skills you need. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:03:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:Indeed, and this change would make that just a little quicker now wouldn't it. Other than being a capital pilot (which we do not need more of) what takes so long to specialize for that such a drastic solution is needed?
You have not explained why this change is needed or why the current system is bad, other than "18 years is too long to be able to do absolutely everything with absolutely perfect skills".
You are aware that level IV skills are a thing, and the gap between IV and V is easily covered by actual pilot skill, right? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
788
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:07:00 -
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Skill training time doesn't need to be reduced. EVE is a game about setting LONG TERM goals. Most people I know have the next 2 years of training already planned out.
Those of us who have ADD are at a significant disadvantage in this game, simply because it is not a place for short attention spans. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
61
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:07:00 -
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Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. exactly THAT !
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Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
31
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:13:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:you are not supposed to be able to train everything
That is not the intention of my post.
Vera Algaert wrote:even if characters would reach the 18 years mark CCP would just add some new skills for another few years of training.
Or, they could compress the overall skill tree and add the new skills while refunding SP.
Vera Algaert wrote:on the gameplay side the rationale is that EVE is all about meaningful trade-offs and that forced specialization encourages cooperation between players.
The only real "specialization" that occurs in fleets nowadays is only if the fleet needs something in particular and that is always changing. This forces people to re-specialize into different ship types. The only other type of "specialization" occurs when you don't have the skills trained to fly what the fleet really needs and have to go with something less useful.
Vera Algaert wrote:on the financial side forced specialization encourages players to get their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, .... accounts - if I could train everything on my main in a realistic timeframe I wouldn't be paying to train 3 alts at the same time.
Indeed, there is the income factor I give you that. However, as the amount simultaneous accounts increases the ability to handle rapidly changing environments decreases. In the most intense and exciting situations (read: fun) it can becomes extremely difficult if near impossible to handle more than one account.
Although I do admit it is fun to watch multiboxers when things get intense. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
633
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:14:00 -
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After awhile training time really doesn't matter, and isn't even that bad. So long as you planned out what you want to do and act accordingly, after you hit that plan you end up just training random **** just to keep your queue full. Specialization is key and it doesn't really matter if it takes 2 years or 30 to train every skill it will still be a waste and more beneficial to spread out training on other alts. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1198
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:15:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:The only real "specialization" that occurs in fleets nowadays is only if the fleet needs something in particular and that is always changing. In 0.0 sov blobbing push-F1-to-win warfare, yes.
Everywhere else? Please. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
788
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:18:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:Or, they could compress the overall skill tree and add the new skills while refunding SP. Your ideas keep getting worse and worse. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
272
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:21:00 -
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Eve's skill training system is fine the way it is, and is probably the best single feature in Eve.
It helps shape the game in so many ways, not least by forcing folk to make choices which have real consequences. You want fries with that? |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1469
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:22:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. Did I suggest anyone train all the skills to level V, nope. Was I implying such a thing, nope. All I am after is to reduce the overall time it takes to train individual skills in general, not to train them all to level V.
How do you reduce the time it takes to train skills in general without reducing the time it takes to get to level 5? Without increasing the multiplier for level 5, reducing training time will impact that 18 years figure. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
183
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:24:00 -
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Maxing your skill points in EVE is easy.
Pick a ship, max them out.
Can you afford to fly every ship in EVE? Even if you could, get ganked and it still dies. There is no I-Win button in EVE. Except blobbing of course. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
16
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:26:00 -
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no simply no No one should be great at EVERYTHING that provide the intensive for people to specialize and encourage teamplay instead of being an one man army |
Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
61
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:26:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:The time it takes to train everything in EVE to it's maximum base potential doesn't seem very sane really. Isn't 18+ years of training a bit much? This was the introductionary sentence of your OP, where i underlined the important part. The next part was a solution suggestion. If we understood you wrong, then the OP construction was wrong.
Anyway.... I can just speak for myself: After one year of playing EVE i reached a skill state with my main character, which is rather satisfactionary. And i just took some skilltime to put it into a second charakter on the same account.
Therefore: No, the time is not too long. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1243
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:38:00 -
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You want all them skills,well prepare to wait,son. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
332
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:41:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:The time it takes to train everything in EVE to it's maximum base potential doesn't seem very sane really. Isn't 18+ years of training a bit much?
Simple suggestion: Take the character with the most SP and add 1 month's worth of SP on top of that. Now compress the time it takes to complete all skills to level V proportionately so that it equals that character's total training plus 1 month. After doing that give back the total SP lost in compressing all those skill times. Of course, you would do this for everyone.
Doing this will reduce everyone's training time without alienating those of the highest SP level.
I think this is an equitable suggestion and will help bring about a saner EVE.
Maybe it will help EVE out of beta a little bit too...
Yey, I'm halfway there.
Don't a change a thing.
Tal
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Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
31
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:50:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Other than being a capital pilot (which we do not need more of) what takes so long to specialize for that such a drastic solution is needed?
It's not so much about specialization that I am concerned with, it's the re-specialization that can be a problem as is required in EVE. Things change and you have to adapt or you die, simple. I just want to make that a bit quicker so to allow for faster adapting and therefore faster change as well.
Also, think of the new people who join this game and see the huge amount of time it takes to get just about anywhere in EVE that is interesting in terms of skills. Quite a few people get turned off by the huge time investment that EVE can be in terms of training. Some of these people are perfectly willing to adapt to change and can, it's just that the time it takes to do so seems unreasonable to them.
Reducing the training time will have little effect on EVE overall, but it will make EVE a little less of time hog. I really don't see such a change as drastic as it really is not. Sure, there might be some upheaval immediately proceeding the change, but things will calm down fairly quickly as they always do.
Petrus Blackshell wrote:You are aware that level IV skills are a thing, and the gap between IV and V is easily covered by actual pilot skill, right?
Indeed, by why not actually have that skill at level V and maximize a given ships/module's potential. Skill is a major deciding factor in EVE and SP has little to do with that skill. Given such logic I don't see how reducing the training time overall will have much of a lasting negative impact. Such a change would make EVE less of a time grind and not much else. As you and others have put it individual skill is the real deciding factor in EVE not SP so lowering the overall training time isn't going to change things in EVE it just increases the quality of one's EVE gaming experience. |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
31
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:57:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Yey, I'm halfway there.
Don't a change a thing.
Tal
Who cares, SP has got nothing to do with success in EVE so it wouldn't matter even if you would be finished training forever. True skill and experience are the makings of success in EVE and what makes it fun not SP.
Someone playing as long as you have would know already know this and would therefore know that training all the skills there are to train isn't the true EVE experience.
Reducing the time it takes to train all skills overall can only increase one's experience of EVE at a more rapid rate. It is this experience that is what makes EVE fun and I am all for more fun how about you?
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Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
31
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Posted - 2012.06.05 08:01:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:no simply no No one should be great at EVERYTHING that provide the intensive for people to specialize and encourage teamplay instead of being an one man army
Having max SP would make you great at NOTHING. SP has nothing do with how great someone is at doing various things. Having max SP still wouldn't make you a one man army either as you will probably get blobbed
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3642
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Posted - 2012.06.05 08:01:00 -
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18 years you say... that means I'm halfway there nice! Although last time I checked iirc it was 25+ years...
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