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Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
65
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Posted - 2012.06.05 15:57:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing. *lol* We can't ride ponys in EVE, therefore it's not a sandbox?
Okay ...
[ EVE is neigher allmighty, nor unlimited. But despite that it has a wide range of possible activities (game content) within the given boundaries -> sandbox ]
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7673
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:08:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing. Non sequitur. It's a sandbox regardless of whether you can or should train everything.
Ban Bindy wrote:The players with a nine-year training advantage aren't about to give that up. Here's the thing: nine years of training doesn't give you much in the way of advantage, compared to, say, one or two years. It's the assumption that it does that spawns these kinds of threads, and it's the inaccuracy of this assumption that makes the threads so bad. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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baltec1
1331
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:19:00 -
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Over 6 years into this game and I still have many things to look forwards to when I get done training them. Name another MMO that offers you that. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2013
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:21:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing.
Of course it is.
Now if you choose to spend your time in the sandbox making a futile attempt to count each grain of sand, that is your problem. There are no promises made that you will be able to succeed. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Warpshade
4
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:26:00 -
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confirming all skills should only take 30minutes to train. |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
344
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:29:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Ris Dnalor wrote:The point is that they want you to buy multiple accounts. CCP is a business, not a charity.
I never said it was bad. I just said it was.
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
72
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:33:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing. you sound mad, fyi, I have 120m sp, jelly?? |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
29
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Posted - 2012.06.05 18:09:00 -
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considering i started training stuff i wont ever use.. like carriers on my main... no the skill training doesnt take to long. I say it is pretty spot onwith the removal of the learning skills, those where just a grind you had to endure. Now, i think.. yeah im happy with how it works.
and my main only has 50 mill or so SP. and yet she is done with what i am using her for. |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
802
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Posted - 2012.06.05 18:18:00 -
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Well... I for one think skills are lame and should be removed outright. This game is billed as a game "about doing stuff"... training skills isn't doing stuff. It's waiting. ...and it's a needless limiting factor imho. There will be a limit. If eve makes it another decade I would bet good money skills will be removed altogether.
'course maybe CCP will get to the point of being sick of the b****ing on the forums and just say "meh EvE as a service ends tomorrow... get ready for EvE 2 next month!" Global reset. Who knows...
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baltec1
1334
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Posted - 2012.06.05 18:19:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:Twulf wrote:Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing. you sound mad, fyi, I have 120m sp, jelly??
Not when you see the clone cost |
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baltec1
1334
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Posted - 2012.06.05 18:20:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Well... I for one think skills are lame and should be removed outright. This game is billed as a game "about doing stuff"... training skills isn't doing stuff. It's waiting. ...and it's a needless limiting factor imho. There will be a limit. If eve makes it another decade I would bet good money skills will be removed altogether.
'course maybe CCP will get to the point of being sick of the b****ing on the forums and just say "meh EvE as a service ends tomorrow... get ready for EvE 2 next month!" Global reset. Who knows...
Then what do we have to look forwards to? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7675
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Posted - 2012.06.05 18:37:00 -
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Gogela wrote:This game is billed as a game "about doing stuff"... training skills isn't doing stuff. It's waiting. Fortunately, it's also not GÇ£skill training, the gameGÇ¥, so the actual game is still about doing stuff.
GǪwell, unless you listen to the griefers in newbie corp chats who squawk on about how you must train everything to V before doing anything (which should be a bannable offense, really).
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Rustling
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.05 18:53:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote: on the gameplay side the rationale is that EVE is all about meaningful trade-offs and that forced specialization encourages cooperation between players.
You mean alt accounts right? |
Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
40
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Posted - 2012.06.05 19:44:00 -
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you obviously haven't had teenagers, nothing (no one's) sane at 18 :P If you didn't want people to suggest that you're saying you want to train all the skills, perhaps you shouldn't have compared the skill training system to training everything, which apparently takes 18 years (although that totally explains why there aren't any grown ups in Eve....) Anyway the point is, the system is one thing, training absolutely everything - quite another. Hence your fallacious argument.
And boo. So it takes RL time to train. I'm having fun my hubby's still having fun (after 7 years). You don't wait til skills are done to have fun.
Besides it's good to have a goal.
NB - trolling is not a goal.
It's just something to do when you could be playing Eve. (Unless you're a miner, then I totally get the troll, but watch that afk bro!)
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found
49
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Posted - 2012.06.05 19:46:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing. If it takes 18+ years to train everything to level [5] then remember that it only takes about three years to train everything to level [4],
Now, granted that's not entirely possible as certain skills has prerequisite skills required at level [5] but they are in the distinct minority. I would imagine that even training all of those pre-reqs (note that's skill pre-reqs, not ship pre-reqs) still wouldn't bring the total above four years.
If you can have every single skill in the game to [4] in four years and could therefore do almost everything in the game just a little less efficiently than the Devs then how does that require a shortening of training time? Especially as those who have chosen to specialise will have already maxed out their chosen specialisation and are diversifying? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1208
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Posted - 2012.06.05 19:49:00 -
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Gerald Taric wrote:Twulf wrote:Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing. *lol* We can't ride ponys in EVE, therefore it's not a sandbox? Okay ... [ EVE is neigher allmighty, nor unlimited. But despite that it has a wide range of possible activities (game content) within the given boundaries -> sandbox ] I see what you did there. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
41
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Posted - 2012.06.05 19:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Gogela wrote:This game is billed as a game "about doing stuff"... training skills isn't doing stuff. It's waiting. Fortunately, it's also not Gǣskill training, the gameGǥ, so the actual game is still about doing stuff. GǪwell, unless you listen to the griefers in newbie corp chats who squawk on about how you must train everything to V before doing anything (which should be a bannable offense, really).
All your core skills must be V before you leave your starter station. Also you shouldn't pvp until you have at least 30 million skillpoints, you must only use Hurricanes, with all related defense and gunnery skills at V, you have to use the most expensive modules on the market, and solo pvp will get you killed every time so you have to be in a fleet with lots of other Canes to make sure you'll survive. |
Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
66
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:23:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Gerald Taric wrote:[...] ponys [...] neigher I see what you did there. hm ... i don't understand ... apart from the typing error for "neither" ...
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Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:24:00 -
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100 or so years is too short to live life. Man, I wish I had a few extra centuries so I could learn to do everything. Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
354
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:32:00 -
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Revajin wrote:Tippia wrote:Gogela wrote:This game is billed as a game "about doing stuff"... training skills isn't doing stuff. It's waiting. Fortunately, it's also not Gǣskill training, the gameGǥ, so the actual game is still about doing stuff. GǪwell, unless you listen to the griefers in newbie corp chats who squawk on about how you must train everything to V before doing anything (which should be a bannable offense, really). All your core skills must be V before you leave your starter station. Also you shouldn't pvp until you have at least 30 million skillpoints, you must only use Hurricanes, with all related defense and gunnery skills at V, you have to use the most expensive modules on the market, and solo pvp will get you killed every time so you have to be in a fleet with lots of other Canes to make sure you'll survive.
Umm I think I messed something up. I like to fly a Intercepters. My clone is worth more then the ship and fittings combined EVERYBODY KNOWS |
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Silverdaddy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:43:00 -
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OK, I can't even begin to fathom how long it would take to learn all of the military equipment, technical and scientific trades, and the various occupations in the real world.
18 years seems like a bargain! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7689
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:45:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Umm I think I messed something up. I like to fly a Intercepters. My clone is worth more then the ship and fittings combined Nah. That's how it should be.
Small ships 4lyfe and all that.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
156
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:48:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. Did I suggest anyone train all the skills to level V, nope. Was I implying such a thing, nope. All I am after is to reduce the overall time it takes to train individual skills in general, not to train them all to level V. I am suggesting training in EVE simply takes too long in general and that reducing that time overall without harming the highest SP players as an equitable solution.
Deal with it. There area already too many nubs flying dual armor/shield tanked faction battleships with large, medium and small guns. If anything, they should make crap take longer to train. Post with your main or GTFO! The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
374
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:48:00 -
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If your trying to train everything
Your doin it wrong.
Do be 100% honest, the fact that anyone can crosstrain to fly the battleship of every race in under a year means that training needs some serious balancing.
CCP should work towards finding the sweet spot between discouraging people to generalize and training time. |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
88
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:51:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:Twulf wrote:Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing. you sound mad, fyi, I have 120m sp, jelly??
Not mad at all, just sick of hearing EvE is a Sandbox when it is not. It does have Sandbox elements but it is not a sandbox game, just like Everquest is not a themepark and it is not a Sandbox.
I have 6m SP and can fly all the ships I want to fly and fit them well enough to do PvE and PvP. All in Null. I have lived in Null since I had 3m SP, whats your point? |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
88
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:53:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:If your trying to train everything
Your doin it wrong.
Do be 100% honest, the fact that anyone can crosstrain to fly the battleship of every race in under a year means that training needs some serious balancing.
CCP should work towards finding the sweet spot between discouraging people to generalize and training time.
If EvE was in Fact a Sandbox then you would not need to specialize and generalizing your skills would be a valid tactic but as many people have posted in this thread, generalizing is bad and means you are playing it wrong. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7689
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:58:00 -
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Twulf wrote:If EvE was in Fact a Sandbox then you would not need to specialize and generalizing your skills would be a valid tactic GǪand guess what? It is.
It won't make you as good at the specific things as someone who specialises, but it will make you better at all the things than they are. It's valid choice GÇö it just offers a different return than many (even most) people are interested in.
The fact that you can make that choice GÇö for better or worse GÇö is part of what makes it a sandbox. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
72
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:13:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Apolyon I wrote:Twulf wrote:Martin0 wrote:Eve is about specialization. You are NOT supposed to train everything. So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing. you sound mad, fyi, I have 120m sp, jelly?? Not mad at all, just sick of hearing EvE is a Sandbox when it is not. It does have Sandbox elements but it is not a sandbox game, just like Everquest is not a themepark and it is not a Sandbox. I have 6m SP and can fly all the ships I want to fly and fit them well enough to do PvE and PvP. All in Null. I have lived in Null since I had 3m SP, whats your point? then please do point out why Eve isn't a Sandbox game.
conclusion without proof is worthless
EDIT: I saw it, so all new players should be able to fly titan on their trial account, sound fun |
Flakey Foont
134
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:26:00 -
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This is just another waaah I want it now threads.
Same poop different wrapper.
So sorry if I am being negative. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
807
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:36:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:If your trying to train everything
Your doin it wrong.
Do be 100% honest, the fact that anyone can crosstrain to fly the battleship of every race in under a year means that training needs some serious balancing.
CCP should work towards finding the sweet spot between discouraging people to generalize and training time. If EvE was in Fact a Sandbox then you would not need to specialize and generalizing your skills would be a valid tactic but as many people have posted in this thread, generalizing is bad and means you are playing it wrong. Wrong. Generalization is always bad no mater what style of game because it takes longer for you to be as good as someone else in any given area if they had specialized.
Also, while you shouldn't generalize (cause its a stupid as mining afk) you can, because EVE is a sandboxish*.
*Its as close to sandbox that I have seen while still functioning. Much like a fully Communist nation wouldn't survive, but some come close. |
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