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Wrangler Al
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.09.14 13:23:00 -
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It seems that the current trend in pvp throughout EVE, especialy in fleet warfare; is to favour armour tanking ships.
This leaves Caldari (and to some degree, Minmatar ships) Woefully under-used or in some cases even denied use in PVP!!!
If this trend continues without CCP redressing the balance to allow Shield tanking ships to be seen as equals in pvp tanking, then EVE will very quickly become soley dominated by Ammar and Galente.
I know many people state that Caldari are mission runners ships but if that is so, then anyone who joined well over a year ago (like me) has waisted their time, and must now cross train in both ships, modules, weapons and tactics to become pvp viable.
CCP, this is unacceptable
If you want a race that is only usefull in empire and for the carebears... please state that to new customers and give us caldari a skill refund so we can respeck to something that is wanted...
Rant over
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Sjors Boomschors
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Posted - 2009.09.14 13:32:00 -
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And it took you a year to find out about this. This is all mentioned in the CCP game manual.
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis eXsecratio Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.14 13:42:00 -
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My shield tanking bait scorp is more than fine, so i would say that you are doing it wrong. Do not discuss moderation in your signature. Zymurgist |
Wrangler Al
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.09.14 13:56:00 -
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But should caldari be relegated to the task of being bait as they are easy targets???
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis eXsecratio Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.14 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler Al But should caldari be relegated to the task of being bait as they are easy targets???
Stop trolling, get a clue and then come back. Do not discuss moderation in your signature. Zymurgist |
Sjors Boomschors
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Posted - 2009.09.14 14:00:00 -
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I do not think so: Caldari ships are pretty effective with Electronic Warfare so that means they use Electronic Warfare jammers to deflect attacks. ThatĘs why they do not need to tank shield or armor.
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Gefex
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.14 14:28:00 -
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Rokh is a good fleet sniper, generally sniper fleets don't use logistics so a shield HP buffer tank is fine.
Also sniper HAC gangs tend to favour shields over armour tanks. So the Eagle and Basilisk are pretty solid choices.
Remote rep short range battleship fleets will always favour armour tanks, its true. You may still get away with an armour buffer tanked Scorpion though. ;)
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Wrangler Al
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.09.14 14:40:00 -
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So then the Caldari need a new BS class; so that they can work within a remote repping pvp fleet?!?
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Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2009.09.14 14:41:00 -
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What the OP says is true if you limit his point to remote rep BS fleets. I am a caldari spec'd pilot, and I cross trained gallente BS IV so I could come along on RR BS fleets.
But that's the only time I've found it to be true. I always find I have a very valuable role to fill in any other type of fleet I am in, in various different Caldari ships.
I have solo options too; I get plenty of solo PVP action in a rook, AML Caracal, HAM drake. Shield tanking doesn't limit me there.
Remote shield repping is standard practice in sniper HAC fleets BTW (not spider tanking mind, it's done with basilisk/scimitars).
Do I wish we had a viable option to do shield RR BS fleets? Sure, but it's not the highest thing on my list tbh. -- Terminal Impact is recruiting PVPers for fun ops in NPC 0.0 space. Visit our website or join ingame channel "the tict pub". |
Kalia Masaer
Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2009.09.14 14:48:00 -
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There is a simple stop gap measure for the shield tank, currently it is difficult to get anywhere near the buffer on a shield tank as an armor tank. example, Large Shield Extender II 2635 additional hitpoints, 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plate 4200 additional hitpoints. As you can see for single slot the shield tank only gets 2/3 of the hitpoints that and armor tank would.
Yes I do see the balance problem if on added more hitpoints to a shield tanks. The answer for that though is to add an additional type of extender that penalizes both sig radius and shield recharge time thus granting a greater buffer to shield tanks with out increaseing their passive tanks.
It should also be noted shield tanks are very common on smaller ships in PvP sor it may more be somthing that should be oriented to BS type hulls.
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Gefex
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.14 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler Al So then the Caldari need a new BS class; so that they can work within a remote repping pvp fleet?!?
There are other roles you can fill though, covops scout, dictor pilot, interceptor are all needed in RR fleets.
You can always armour tank a torp Raven or something, but you will be a weak link. And likely to get primaried pretty quickly.
I think you can just say Caldari battleships don't work well in remote rep fleets. Just like Minmatar battleships don't work well as snipers. Doesn't mean they are broken, just means they fill different roles.
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