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Domer Pyle
Northwest Industries International Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
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Posted - 2012.06.11 08:22:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I only play PC titles. So if it is going to fail no big deal. I will never play it.
this. so much this. |

Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2012.06.11 11:10:00 -
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Gitanmaxx wrote:NickyYo wrote:Not because of the game content but becuase of CCP's planning.
So CCP is going to release this DUST 514 on the exteremely outdated Playstation 3 right? My view is this, why are they not preparing it for PlayStation 4 where they are guranteed large purchases?
CCP, you do know the Playstation 4 comes out in 6 months right? or the 360 which has 3 times the player base, and isn't planned to be replaced by a new system for a few more cycles.
Say what?
Worldwide sales figures
Wii GGt 95.85 million as of 31 March 2012 Xbox 360 GGt 65.8 million as of 12 January 2012 PlayStation 3 GGt 63.9 million as of 31 March 2012
United States sales figures
Wii GGt 30 million as of 10 August 2010 Xbox 360 GGt 18.6 million as of 31 December 2009 PlayStation 3 - nearly 12 million as of 14 April 2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars
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saltrock0000
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2012.06.11 11:13:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Dust already won. It's the first MMO to effectively merge a PC and a console MMO.
I know its not quite the same, but the original Halo was PC vs Console originaly. Untill the console analog stick jerkers cried that the mouse and keyboard was superiour.
Not the same but still the idea of cross platform gaming has been around for a while |

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
276
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Posted - 2012.06.11 11:31:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I only play PC titles. So if it is going to fail no big deal. I will never play it.
So, you do not care if it does fail, regardless?
The quantity of revenue spent on development of Dust and it's infrastructure does not concern you? Revenue that could have been re-invested back into New Eden. Revenue that cannot be recouped if Dust fails. Revenue that retrospectively may be revenue which was used against CCP, by CCP, in an attempt to keep Dust alive when it was doomed from the start?
You don't care about any of that?
The impact of Dust failing will be significant, and may even end CCP's ability to trade as an organisation, not before massive layoffs and lots of marketing expediture to promote the antithesis of that outward perception.
People who once had money, get into more debt by 'faking' the money they have; they still go to the exclusive golf club, still drive around in a fancy car (hired) and buy rounds for people so everyone knows they got cash...when they don't.
If Dust fails, I suspect CCP will not tell anyone and will say everything is going according to plan and that the quantity of people playing Dust is inline with expectations and blah-de-blah.
Even the figures for EVE have never been made public, and CCP will tell you the amount of accounts there are, but will not tell you the following:
a) How many PEOPLE have accounts b) How many accounts are 'active' within the last 30 days c) Average log in times, broken down by frequency of login d) Number of NEW subscribers per month e) Number of people cancelling within the trial period f) Marketing cost per new subscriber g) Development cost per new subscriber
In addition to this - accounts cannot be deleted by players...I wonder why. Does this mean that Hippo King is still classed as an account? What about perma-banned accounts? What about people who had an account, then were hired by CCP, and created another 'dev' account - is their old account still in the CCP figures for accounts? Even though it doesn't exist, or shouldn't, and should be deleted?
Y'see, CCP have these figures and we don't, so because we fly blind, we have to make assumptions about whether New Eden is in good hands and that our monthly expenditure into New Eden is not wasted, in that the investment of time and money will not disappear due to poor management.
In other words, if CCP make a huge boo-boo and screw up Dust, at what point do they walk away and go sit at the table with humble pie? A year? 2 years? After which time they would have 'kept up appearances' and pumped more dough into Dust...which again could have been money which could have been apportioned to New Eden/EVE.
All I know is that on a weekend there are siro 50K characters actively playing EVE, that's a small number; that's a knee-jerk number; that's a transitory number - it ain't no WoW number like 10 mill, is it? And yet...
CCP seem to think they are a global player...I think Dust will challenge that introspection.
So far all Dust has done is anger people for a few prime reasons:
1) Not on PC, the platform which EVE is on (kinda makes you wonder why they didn't release EVE for PS3 - apparently a PS3 can use a mouse and keyboard, and has TCP/IP...) 2) No one asked for it, but did ask for 'fighting in stations' as part of Ambulation.
Using my old analogy on this:
New Eden at one point felt like an exclusive club which we were proudly members of, but the owner (in true George Lucas style) decided the club could be better, and kept adding new things to the club. Like a pool table, juke box, poker table, Karaoke machine, comedy night...a 'second home' feel to it and over time, the new things which were added began to fail. The pool table was slanted, the music in the juke box is out of date now, no one uses the karaoke machine and the comedy nite has the lowest turn out all week.
The problem is that whilst the owner sees all the other clubs on Main Street with the funky neon signs and hundreds of attendees paying silly prices for silly drinks with silly names - the people in his club are happy and content to NOT be on main street.
We like it like that; we like being down a small side-street which doesn't attract the 'regular' crowds and are more than content that those people will walk straight past and not give it a second glance, and be drawn to the shiny purdy lights of main street.
But the owner ain't happy, so regardless of whether we like it or not, he is going to break down one of the walls of the club and link it into a new club which we cannot enter, and the people who go there cannot do likewise - yet we can both hear and see each other, for some reason. And he's gonna put a neon sign outside.
All we can surmise from this is that the owners do not care about its player-base and want more money.
They cannot get more money from EVE, because they hit an influx plateau (cost of getting a new subscriber became greater than cost of retaining new subscriber) and are running out of ways to add content, designed to retain/maintain existing subscription levels.
Therefore, the only way to get more money was to create a new game - when ironically they have a great game already with a dedicated userbase, willing to create spreadsheets on the game, make (extensive) guides, videos for Youtube, turn up to events, help out new players, write fiction and dedicate time to improving the cannon, artwork, design new ships, run alliances with thousands of players.
I'm sorry CCP, I really am truly and genuinely sorry, that this is NOT enough for you...and that your egotistical and materialistic needs outweigh your logical reasoning to such levels that you feel the need to risk everything.
If Dust does fail, you have yourself to blame and we will find another club.
AK
GG#You go into combat, and itGGVs NOT going to be WagnerGG*industrial techno or really hard drum and bassGG% Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
somethingjustgotreal.com |

Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.06.11 11:57:00 -
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Yeah damb you CCP for trying to expand the EVE universe HOW COULD YOU BETRAY OUR TRUST LIKE THAT?
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.06.11 11:57:00 -
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Nope I do not care about any of your issues. I like EVE but I am not dependant upon CCP for my entertainment. I do not like console games. But almost every game developer thinks they are gold. It is like build it and they will come. Heck you do not even have to have any game play really just some flashy graphics and a good marketing scheme and away you go.
Game play went out the window when mass marketing console games became the rage. I have never seen a console only game worth playing. But somehow they have a huge following. I kinda think CCP could screw it up totally and still make far more money with Dust than they do with EVE. That would upset me because then you know where they would put their time and effort and it would not be EVE.
Actually I think EVE is screwed either way. If Dust does good or bad EVE takes a hit either way. And EVE is all I care about. |

NickyYo
StarHug
175
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Posted - 2012.06.11 12:36:00 -
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DUST 514 will have Micro Transactions right? If so that will NOT work on console..
Considering nearly all the player base who play FPS on console are kiddys, i really doubt they will have a credit card to pay for dust 514 content..
I like BF3 way of MT, releasing the game bit by bit instead of charging for ammo etc.
EDIT:
Good luck to CCP i do hope it succeeds because if it does it will boost the eve subscription base as CCP could advertise EVE through the console game.
However i am worried that if it does faill it will drag eve down BIG, you got balls for doing this CCP that is for sure!
Good Luck!! I have released a basic EVE Lottery Framework for you all you use to make lottery sites |

Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
201
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:28:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote: That's entry #9, the one you linked, from the Sony website.
Talking of idiots, the site isn't even a Sony site it is a news website blog... You are either deliberately pretending to be a fool to troll (which I wouldn't be surprised by in the least) or you really are borderline retarded. |

Xavier Holtzman
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
37
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Posted - 2012.06.11 14:22:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:DUST 514 will have Micro Transactions right? If so that will NOT work on console..
Considering nearly all the player base who play FPS on console are kiddys, i really doubt they will have a credit card to pay for dust 514 content..
I like BF3 way of MT, releasing the game bit by bit instead of charging for ammo etc.
EDIT:
Good luck to CCP i do hope it succeeds because if it does it will boost the eve subscription base as CCP could advertise EVE through the console game.
However i am worried that if it does faill it will drag eve down BIG, you got balls for doing this CCP that is for sure!
Good Luck!!
Weren't you quitting or somthing? ... Like ... a month ago? |

Alice Saki
Analog Folk SRS.
111
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Posted - 2012.06.11 15:13:00 -
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After E3 I can't see Consoles surviving unless your into Fitness games and Like Jumping around your Livingroom .... http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null |
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Orlacc
175
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Posted - 2012.06.11 15:27:00 -
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Stay tuned! Next week NickyYo and his pals take on the deflation of the Euro!
P.S. PS3 is doing fine. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2050
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Posted - 2012.06.11 15:43:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I only play PC titles. So if it is going to fail no big deal. I will never play it. ... a great deal of misinformation and speculation...
CCP financials are available and have been examined extensively by the EVE community.
Subscription numbers, when released, include only ACTIVE accounts.
If CCP weren't willing to take a risk, like every other major player in the gaming industry, EVE would never have been created in the first place. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:26:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Not because of the game content but becuase of CCP's planning.
So CCP is going to release this DUST 514 on the exteremely outdated Playstation 3 right? My view is this, why are they not preparing it for PlayStation 4 where they are guranteed large purchases?
CCP, you do know the Playstation 4 comes out in 6 months right?
You do realize that they have yet to really scratch the surface of the PS3 (and I wager, the 360), yeah? And that both Microsoft and Sony both believe that they still have a couple more good years at least before an 8th generation system is due? I understand why you think that, in the past, consoles have worked off of the five year rule. But the aforementioned console developers are gonna drag this one out a little bit further.
Oh, and there is no real info on the PS4, let alone a release date. Education, it's a beautiful thing. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
276
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Posted - 2012.06.11 23:29:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:CCP financials are available and have been examined extensively by the EVE community.
Subscription numbers, when released, include only ACTIVE accounts.
If CCP weren't willing to take a risk, like every other major player in the gaming industry, EVE would never have been created in the first place.
Exactly, not player numbers, but accounts - difference is: if you got an average of 1.5 accounts per player, every time you lose 100 players, you actually lose 150 accounts/characters. Think about it. Then expand your thought process to the other points in my post. Got it yet? Or did you skim read for mirth.
As for 'every other major player'...well, CCP are simply not a major player, although their attempt to be this is commendable, and their PR interview question-answering at the booths at shows is very 'PR-by-numbers' comments that say everything and nothing.
This is kinda what I was hinting at with the 'keeping up appearances' comment(s), as I'm sure they are playing it cool and socialising with the real major players and buying drinks for all.
If I had access to the psychological profiles of the top guys & gals at CCP, I may have some basis for suggesting that the need to release on PS3 is because the name behind it is 'Sony' and that just gives other people a different impression of a company, than one which runs a small, niche MMO from Iceland.
The Ego is a fickle thing, and it's interesting to read peoples responses to difficult questions, and then to watch them slip into autopilot PR responses.
What someone does defines who they are, not what they say, remember?
AK GG#You go into combat, and itGGVs NOT going to be WagnerGG*industrial techno or really hard drum and bassGG% Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
somethingjustgotreal.com |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.06.12 08:45:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:AlleyKat wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I only play PC titles. So if it is going to fail no big deal. I will never play it. ... a great deal of misinformation and speculation... CCP financials are available and have been examined extensively by the EVE community. Subscription numbers, when released, include only ACTIVE accounts. If CCP weren't willing to take a risk, like every other major player in the gaming industry, EVE would never have been created in the first place.
You do not get it. Dust is not going to be released for the PC. So whatever happens to Dust is not my concern except for if it impacts EVE negatively. I will never play Dust. Further even a flop title on a counsole rig will probably do far better than EVE does as a PC title for CCP. And that is what really irritates me. CCP already seems to understand this as well. That is why they are releasing it as a counsole title instead of as a PC title. That to me says CCP is marketing to the preteen crowd IE flashy graphics and no game play.
CCP evolving like that is a bad thing IMHO. Just like playing EVE...if you can make a ton of money without much work just using some flashy graphics then why bother with difficult intense PC game play titles? Titles where the return on investment is a lot less. Like PC titles, like EVE.
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Venri Zod
Order of the Black Dagger Damu'Khonde
1
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:11:00 -
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Don't they realize FPS sucks on console??? |

Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
49
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:25:00 -
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Damn, unreal engine 3 games can never be moved form one platform to another.... Got my Dust514 key... |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
596
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:33:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:CCP financials are available and have been examined extensively by the EVE community.
Subscription numbers, when released, include only ACTIVE accounts.
If CCP weren't willing to take a risk, like every other major player in the gaming industry, EVE would never have been created in the first place.
+1 to that.
Some people simply do not get that and do not follow through on the logic of it. Haters going to keep on hating, I guess. I have had the privilege of playing some Dust514 and all I can say is it's a brilliant addition to Eve. The potential interaction with all of Eve is tremendous.
Bring it on, CCP !! The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
596
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:35:00 -
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Kievan Arakyd wrote:Damn, unreal engine 3 games can never be moved form one platform to another....
hehe, good use of positive sarcasm o7
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:12:00 -
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Venri Zod wrote:Don't they realize FPS sucks on console???
Yep like skyrim. If you want to play that game with all of the add on content then you must use the PC version. The console version is stuck with very limited almost no additional content. Many things in that game are difficult to do on the console version and the PC version makes the game what it should be. Graphics can be driven to a much higher level on the PC version than what the console can do. But note the interface sucked for the PC because the game was designed for the console first. It was only later that a new pc interface was developed. Even with all of that being as it is the console version outsold the PC version 6 to 1.
In the end the pc experience is much greater than the console experience is with skyrim. And you can not run the nude mod on a console version. |
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
420
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:14:00 -
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Venri Zod wrote:Don't they realize FPS sucks on console???
Don't you realise a whole hell of a lot of people think you are wrong?
MW3 sales by platform
VGCHARTZ wrote:A reported 1.5 million people queued at midnight globally to get their hands on Modern Warfare 3, with a total of 9.3 million copies sold on the first day. The Xbox 360 version sees around a 54% share, meaning it's the first game on one platform to pass 5 million on its first day. The PlayStation 3 version held 42%, which is around the 4 million mark. Both day ones are only slightly behind Black Ops entire first week sales. The PC version and the Wii version held the remaining 4%, which is around 370,000 units.
14.7 million people purchased it for the XBOX 360, 11.89 million for the PS3 and 1.38 million for the PC. Seems the rest of the world disagrees with you and believes that consoles are much better for FPS games, which is just one of the reasons why DUST514 is a console game, not a PC game. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
278
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Posted - 2012.06.12 13:03:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Venri Zod wrote:Don't they realize FPS sucks on console??? Don't you realise a whole hell of a lot of people think you are wrong? MW3 sales by platformVGCHARTZ wrote:A reported 1.5 million people queued at midnight globally to get their hands on Modern Warfare 3, with a total of 9.3 million copies sold on the first day. The Xbox 360 version sees around a 54% share, meaning it's the first game on one platform to pass 5 million on its first day. The PlayStation 3 version held 42%, which is around the 4 million mark. Both day ones are only slightly behind Black Ops entire first week sales. The PC version and the Wii version held the remaining 4%, which is around 370,000 units. 14.7 million people purchased it for the XBOX 360, 11.89 million for the PS3 and 1.38 million for the PC. Seems the rest of the world disagrees with you and believes that consoles are much better for FPS games, which is just one of the reasons why DUST514 is a console game, not a PC game.
MW3 had $100 million in marketing budget, and spent $1.5 million hiring Sam Worthington (lead in Avatar - go figure the target audience) to act in a live-action sequence promo.
CCP are spending how much? Oh, that's right - ZERO, because they are not a global player and have access to 1/10th of a billion $ to promote their new game which they believe really strongly about.
So confident are they, they are releasing the game F2P.
Supporting your comment slightly; People who FPS on consoles play CoD or anything else which has $100 mill marketing budgets and People who FPS on PC's don't.
/doublefacepalm GG#You go into combat, and itGGVs NOT going to be WagnerGG*industrial techno or really hard drum and bassGG% Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
somethingjustgotreal.com |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2060
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Posted - 2012.06.12 15:30:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:CCP financials are available and have been examined extensively by the EVE community.
Subscription numbers, when released, include only ACTIVE accounts.
If CCP weren't willing to take a risk, like every other major player in the gaming industry, EVE would never have been created in the first place. Exactly, not player numbers, but accounts - difference is: if you got an average of 1.5 accounts per player, every time you lose 100 players, you actually lose 150 accounts/characters. Think about it. Then expand your thought process to the other points in my post. Got it yet? Or did you skim read for mirth. As for 'every other major player'...well, CCP are simply not a major player, although their attempt to be this is commendable, and their PR interview question-answering at the booths at shows is very 'PR-by-numbers' comments that say everything and nothing. This is kinda what I was hinting at with the 'keeping up appearances' comment(s), as I'm sure they are playing it cool and socialising with the real major players and buying drinks for all. If I had access to the psychological profiles of the top guys & gals at CCP, I may have some basis for suggesting that the need to release on PS3 is because the name behind it is 'Sony' and that just gives other people a different impression of a company, than one which runs a small, niche MMO from Iceland. The Ego is a fickle thing, and it's interesting to read peoples responses to difficult questions, and then to watch them slip into autopilot PR responses. What someone does defines who they are, not what they say, remember? AK
Perhaps you should reread what you posted and put some thought into it yourself. 
While you have demonstrated your grasp of basic math, when you consider that active subscriptions have steadily increased every year (remember, your original point was that they were trying to count inactive subscriptions as well) all you have proven is that not only is CCP's income is increasing, but also (unless there are statistics we haven't seen stating otherwise) since the ratio of players to number of accounts has remained the same the number of active players is therefore expanding also.
Also consider that all this is happening despite system requirements becoming a bit more demanding (limiting multi box users to a degree), and that currently thousands of accounts are banned every month for botting (again, heavy multi boxers).
You have successfully proven that CCP is heading in the right direction from a business point of view and are expanding their customer base, congratulations. 
Edit: I almost forgot, while you may not consider CCP to be a major player that is simply your opinion. The rest of the gaming industry seems to disagree with you.  When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2060
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Posted - 2012.06.12 15:35:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:AlleyKat wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I only play PC titles. So if it is going to fail no big deal. I will never play it. ... a great deal of misinformation and speculation... CCP financials are available and have been examined extensively by the EVE community. Subscription numbers, when released, include only ACTIVE accounts. If CCP weren't willing to take a risk, like every other major player in the gaming industry, EVE would never have been created in the first place. You do not get it. Dust is not going to be released for the PC. So whatever happens to Dust is not my concern except for if it impacts EVE negatively. I will never play Dust. Further even a flop title on a console rig will probably do far better than EVE does as a PC title for CCP. And that is what really irritates me. CCP already seems to understand this as well. That is why they are releasing it as a console title instead of as a PC title. That to me says CCP is marketing to the preteen crowd IE flashy graphics and no game play. CCP evolving like that is a bad thing IMHO. Just like playing EVE...if you can make a ton of money without much work just using some flashy graphics then why bother with difficult intense PC game play titles? Titles where the return on investment is a lot less. Like PC titles, like EVE.
Game companies can and do create games for different audiences and playstyles.
DUST is shaping up to have deeper game play by far than any other FPS console game (and most FPS shooter games) on the market.
If you have the opportunity, you might want to check out the Beta before you comment too much further. It's beginning to look pretty amazing. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
52
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Posted - 2012.06.12 15:46:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
You do not get it. Dust is not going to be released for the PC. So whatever happens to Dust is not my concern except for if it impacts EVE negatively. I will never play Dust. Further even a flop title on a console rig will probably do far better than EVE does as a PC title for CCP. And that is what really irritates me. CCP already seems to understand this as well. That is why they are releasing it as a console title instead of as a PC title. That to me says CCP is marketing to the preteen crowd IE flashy graphics and no game play.
CCP evolving like that is a bad thing IMHO. Just like playing EVE...if you can make a ton of money without much work just using some flashy graphics then why bother with difficult intense PC game play titles? Titles where the return on investment is a lot less. Like PC titles, like EVE.
So you're basically saying that since console games sells better than EVE (let me disagree. DUST will be F2P while EVE charges a monthly fee, so we will have to see how does all this goes), then CCP must be aiming for console player base, who obviously are teenagers all of them (regardless many of my friends have a PS3), who obviously will only be interested in graphics (even if the already announced interaction with EVE will be inmense). And all of this shows that CCP is a bad bad company because they want to make money and they will, somehow, manage to ruin EVE (don't you guys get tired of so much doomsaying?) because they will grow effortless, even after having mantained EVE in a extremely good level for longer than any other MMO out there (save for Runescape I guess).
Too much of assuption, don't you think? |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1526
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Posted - 2012.06.12 16:01:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Not because of the game content but becuase of CCP's planning.
So CCP is going to release this DUST 514 on the exteremely outdated Playstation 3 right? My view is this, why are they not preparing it for PlayStation 4 where they are guranteed large purchases?
CCP, you do know the Playstation 4 comes out in 6 months right?
Take PS3 source code... print to PS4 disc with proper encoding... problem solved.
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Flakey Foont
138
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Posted - 2012.06.12 16:24:00 -
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I love how a bunch of fry cooks and Best Buy clerks know the right way to run a business. |

Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
983
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Posted - 2012.06.12 16:41:00 -
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How is it going to compete when Sony is releasing not only Planetside2 but also StarHawks. |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
436
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Posted - 2012.06.13 00:47:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Venri Zod wrote:Don't they realize FPS sucks on console??? Don't you realise a whole hell of a lot of people think you are wrong? MW3 sales by platformVGCHARTZ wrote:A reported 1.5 million people queued at midnight globally to get their hands on Modern Warfare 3, with a total of 9.3 million copies sold on the first day. The Xbox 360 version sees around a 54% share, meaning it's the first game on one platform to pass 5 million on its first day. The PlayStation 3 version held 42%, which is around the 4 million mark. Both day ones are only slightly behind Black Ops entire first week sales. The PC version and the Wii version held the remaining 4%, which is around 370,000 units. 14.7 million people purchased it for the XBOX 360, 11.89 million for the PS3 and 1.38 million for the PC. Seems the rest of the world disagrees with you and believes that consoles are much better for FPS games, which is just one of the reasons why DUST514 is a console game, not a PC game. MW3 had $100 million in marketing budget, and spent $1.5 million hiring Sam Worthington (lead in Avatar - go figure the target audience) to act in a live-action sequence promo. CCP are spending how much? Oh, that's right - ZERO, because they are not a global player and have access to 1/10th of a billion $ to promote their new game which they believe really strongly about. So confident are they, they are releasing the game F2P. Supporting your comment slightly; People who FPS on consoles play CoD or anything else which has $100 mill marketing budgets and People who FPS on PC's don't. /doublefacepalm
You seem to have missed something here. While CCP lack the worldwide stature to successfully advertise DUST514, there is someone involved in the project who does. Have you perhaps heard of a little Japanese company called Sony?
Well it seems that they are advertising DUST514, spending a lot of time and money doing so, and have been supporting the project from step one. Isn't that nice of them? Not only that but all three major console makers are watching DUST514 with great anticipation, do you know why? Because of the F2P market and it's ability to generate massive amounts of long term income.
Take League of Legends for an example, their daily income jumped up by 700% after it went F2P, and LOTRO also saw vast increases in income when it did the same. DUST514 is the worlds first AAA MMOFPS that has been designed from the ground up to be both F2P and for consoles.
So, in summary, DUST514 will be well advertised both within the existing FPS gaming community as well as to the wider market.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Herr Hammer Draken
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Posted - 2012.06.13 07:19:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
You do not get it. Dust is not going to be released for the PC. So whatever happens to Dust is not my concern except for if it impacts EVE negatively. I will never play Dust. Further even a flop title on a console rig will probably do far better than EVE does as a PC title for CCP. And that is what really irritates me. CCP already seems to understand this as well. That is why they are releasing it as a console title instead of as a PC title. That to me says CCP is marketing to the preteen crowd IE flashy graphics and no game play.
CCP evolving like that is a bad thing IMHO. Just like playing EVE...if you can make a ton of money without much work just using some flashy graphics then why bother with difficult intense PC game play titles? Titles where the return on investment is a lot less. Like PC titles, like EVE.
So you're basically saying that since console games sells better than EVE (let me disagree. DUST will be F2P while EVE charges a monthly fee, so we will have to see how does all this goes), then CCP must be aiming for console player base, who obviously are teenagers all of them (regardless many of my friends have a PS3), who obviously will only be interested in graphics (even if the already announced interaction with EVE will be inmense). And all of this shows that CCP is a bad bad company because they want to make money and they will, somehow, manage to ruin EVE (don't you guys get tired of so much doomsaying?) because they will grow effortless, even after having mantained EVE in a extremely good level for longer than any other MMO out there (save for Runescape I guess). Too much of assuption, don't you think?
Yep I am setting the bar pretty low. CCP can surprise me with a lot of upside and I hope they do. But I am not holding my breath. Still I am not ever going to buy a console. Ergo Dust has no value to me unless it has a positive impact on EVE. But if it has a negative impact on EVE then I will be upset. And I suspect this result has the greater chance than any upside result. Just call it past experience. |
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