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X ATM092
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.06.05 23:12:00 -
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Are the stats released so far (here http://pastebin.com/nJw97cST) accurate. If so, are they final? It seems to me that CCP have altered their usual pattern of combining a hac with a recon and gone for a new strategy of somewhat more questionable merit. Now, that's not to say that I think the game needs a combination of eagle and falcon, I think we're doing fine without that, but equally I think the Etana is pretty poorly thought out.
The most obvious criticism that comes to mind is that it has been given the ability to fit a covops cloak and yet has the same number of highs as the basilisk, the ship it is meant to be an upgrade for. Either it is to be fitted with 4 shield transfers and 2 cap transfers, like a basilisk and with no covops ability, or you forfeit its covops ability to make it a capable logi. Pretty much every other covops ship ever has a high slot more than their hardpoints for their weapon system to avoid exactly this issue, maybe this is just an oversight.
Another less pressing issue is that basilisks work best in pairs. The AT prize ship is in fact half of a useful ship.
In terms of simple utility, blops bridging is barely used and when it is the limitations on it force you to go pretty recon heavy. I question the gap that is being filled by dropping a cloaky basilisk onto whatever you're blops bridging for lulz when they're already being covered in falcons. For that matter, what advantages does this have over a falcon or a basilisk in whichever situation you would require one? You can already decloak a falcon to dishonour a fight and save your ship and you can already blops falcons onto people to put them in an unwinnable situation. When the AT prize ship comes in at roughly 100 times as much and is less gamebreaking than the basic bloping caldari cruiser it makes you question what exactly it's for. Maybe it's just for healing up your ships on grid in a large scale fleet fight or for running incursions but in that situation your covops cloak probably isn't seeing much use. Maybe that's why they gave it too few slots to fit the covops cloak. :S
Another alternative is that CCP feels that stealthy covops healing behind enemy lines is something the game needs. Bold teams of widows and Etanas sneaking through the blockades to heal up the pos where the enemy least expect them. Perhaps once put in the game that'll become a thing and we'll all have great fun doing it. Alliance high commands will be screaming at their minions for letting the Etana crack squad rep up the shields of the ihub but against the power of the cloaky basilisk what chance did the poor gatecampers have. Still, while that sounds absolutely incredible it occurs to me that a ship called a carrier already exists and can use a mod called a capital shield transfer and can in fact jump all by itself without the need for the widow. While a carrier has less ability to stealthily evade capture behind enemy lines it will most likely be around 3% of the cost of the Etana after insurance (assuming you lose your carrier) and has vastly more repping power.
Maybe CCP knows more about this than I do. Maybe I'm being shortsighted in expecting it to have as much repping power as a basilisk, after all, a basilisk can't cloak. Maybe there are situations in which the covops ship you want to decloak to save your main as you're dying in a t1 battlecruiser is a 30b AT hull which can rep up your shields. I imagine there are groups in EVE who are just dying to get their hands on this mighty piece of Caldari engineering (I'm looking at you here Dirt Nap Squad). Still, I can't help but feel that CCP might want to reconsider what exactly this is for. |
Conjugate Momenta
Noesis Ra Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2012.06.05 23:23:00 -
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Its designed I think to be a gatecamping ship. People wont attack you with logi on the gate, so you can just cloak up your etanas and use them to decloak and rep you on the gate |
X ATM092
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.06.05 23:27:00 -
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Conjugate Momenta wrote:Its designed I think to be a gatecamping ship. People wont attack you with logi on the gate, so you can just cloak up your etanas and use them to decloak and rep you on the gate They will however see that you have two guys in local that you haven't shown and assume you have two falcons. The question is, after emotionally preparing themselves for falcons will they actually mind the Etana? If anything they'll be glad. Also how is that plan superior to just logging two basilisks off on the gate at zero and just logging them on when a fight starts? They'll have more repping power due to their high slots and cost somewhat less. |
CarnegieSteel
Minmatar War Orphans Fund
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Posted - 2012.06.05 23:29:00 -
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Obviously you are a bad pvper since you dont know how gatecamps work. Im going to bet a lot of money against teamliquid |
Body Shield
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.06.05 23:30:00 -
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Conjugate Momenta wrote:Its designed I think to be a gatecamping ship. People wont attack you with logi on the gate, so you can just cloak up your etanas and use them to decloak and rep you on the gate The point is that a Falcon would be better for that role, but about a factor of 5, also it's 1/60th the cost. Also instead of buying an Etana, you could buy two to three more falcon alts, and put them in faction fit falcons, lose those falcons, then fit deadspace mods to the next falcons, and then field those.
Same effect really. |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.06.05 23:49:00 -
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Conjugate Momenta wrote:Its designed I think to be a gatecamping ship. People wont attack you with logi on the gate, so you can just cloak up your etanas and use them to decloak and rep you on the gate
Oh...wow... "We discussed forming 1 (ONE) corporation to make these training in wormholes possible; if we wouldnt merge, 4th would have been forced to spend days and days to setup their own pos, to do this." 2 separate teams considered doing the same thing HYDRA & Outbreak did - how can you justify banning 2 teams who thought it was within the rules? |
CarnegieSteel
Minmatar War Orphans Fund
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:06:00 -
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Intigo wrote:Conjugate Momenta wrote:Its designed I think to be a gatecamping ship. People wont attack you with logi on the gate, so you can just cloak up your etanas and use them to decloak and rep you on the gate Oh...wow...
You seem bitter |
Armeggeda iscariah
Ganja Labs Exodus.
6
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:08:00 -
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gatecamp ship...really ? yeah ok because you wont get baited and lose your ships in less then a day. Ever heard of blops ? or shiney station decoration ? seriously no one is gonna use the stupid ship unless your garmon or prometheus so quit whining about it. --------------------------------------He who dares , wins. |
Body Shield
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:10:00 -
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Armeggeda iscariah wrote:gatecamp ship...really ? yeah ok because you wont get baited and lose your ships in less then a day. Ever heard of blops ? or shiney station decoration ? seriously no one is gonna use the stupid ship unless your garmon or prometheus so quit whining about it. *You're |
Im Per'Vious
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:10:00 -
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Well, one of the main reasons a Bassie is so awesome is because it can rep 4 different ships each, when using 2 cap transfers for a chain between Bassies. 2 Bassies can then rep 8 different ships, 3 can rep 12, etc. Minimum effective gang size is about about 10 members for that reason.
Cov ops don't always run in that big of a gang though, so reducing the amount of ships it can rep from 4 to 3 shouldn't make that big of an effect though.
idk, it still seems like it'll be a useful ship. Just filling a different niche than a normal Bassie. |
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Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
156
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:13:00 -
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Armeggeda iscariah wrote:gatecamp ship...really ? yeah ok because you wont get baited and lose your ships in less then a day. Ever heard of blops ? or shiney station decoration ? seriously no one is gonna use the stupid ship unless your garmon or prometheus so quit whining about it.
Confirming that prom is known for hotdropping cloaky ships |
michael boltonIII
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
199
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:17:00 -
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My face when people don't realize that it's THE SHIP TO HAVE for the next AT. It's already better than any shield logi in the game just on bonus's alone, plus an extra low and midlslot, you could make this thing close to cap stable. If they gave it 7 highs as well to fit the cloak it would be the most insanely OP ships they've ever handed out. Think about a cap fed basi with 7 reps, just think about it.
Literally the only downside to this ship is it's lowered sensor strength vs the basi.
When I am the first person to post this answer, you know that eve is low on tourney knowledge. |
X ATM092
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:19:00 -
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michael boltonIII wrote:My face when people don't realize that it's THE SHIP TO HAVE for the next AT. It's already better than any shield logi in the game just on bonus's alone, plus an extra low and midlslot, you could make this thing close to cap stable. If they gave it 7 highs as well to fit the cloak it would be the most insanely OP ships they've ever handed out. Think about a cap fed basi with 7 reps, just think about it.
Literally the only downside to this ship is it's lowered sensor strength vs the basi.
When I am the first person to post this answer, you know that eve is low on tourney knowledge. So if you win then basically what CCP is saying to you is "sorry but.. err.. better luck next year?" What if they just give you more Etanas when you win again next year? WHAT THEN?!??! |
michael boltonIII
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
199
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:26:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:michael boltonIII wrote:My face when people don't realize that it's THE SHIP TO HAVE for the next AT. It's already better than any shield logi in the game just on bonus's alone, plus an extra low and midlslot, you could make this thing close to cap stable. If they gave it 7 highs as well to fit the cloak it would be the most insanely OP ships they've ever handed out. Think about a cap fed basi with 7 reps, just think about it.
Literally the only downside to this ship is it's lowered sensor strength vs the basi.
When I am the first person to post this answer, you know that eve is low on tourney knowledge. So if you win then basically what CCP is saying to you is "sorry but.. err.. better luck next year?" What if they just give you more Etanas when you win again next year? WHAT THEN?!??!
Dear god bro, nobody is competing here because they so desperately want to fly a special ship in outer space. People are competing to say they won, to make bank, and to have a collector's item. These ships will arguably be the most expensive and exciting yet, because every legit team is gonna try to buy as many as they can and we will see them die live on air next year.
If they gave me more Etanas next year I'd probably be pumped, unless they gave it in replacement of a similar armor logi.
Making note not to bet on Team Liquid. |
Body Shield
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.06.06 01:06:00 -
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michael boltonIII wrote:X ATM092 wrote:michael boltonIII wrote:My face when people don't realize that it's THE SHIP TO HAVE for the next AT. It's already better than any shield logi in the game just on bonus's alone, plus an extra low and midlslot, you could make this thing close to cap stable. If they gave it 7 highs as well to fit the cloak it would be the most insanely OP ships they've ever handed out. Think about a cap fed basi with 7 reps, just think about it.
Literally the only downside to this ship is it's lowered sensor strength vs the basi.
When I am the first person to post this answer, you know that eve is low on tourney knowledge. So if you win then basically what CCP is saying to you is "sorry but.. err.. better luck next year?" What if they just give you more Etanas when you win again next year? WHAT THEN?!??! Dear god bro, nobody is competing here because they so desperately want to fly a special ship in outer space. People are competing to say they won, to make bank, and to have a collector's item. These ships will arguably be the most expensive and exciting yet, because every legit team is gonna try to buy as many as they can and we will see them die live on air next year. If they gave me more Etanas next year I'd probably be pumped, unless they gave it in replacement of a similar armor logi. Making note not to bet on Team Liquid. The point is that it's sort of useless as a cloaky ship, as you drop a high for the cloak and you need a second 30 billion ship to set up a cap chain. You might as well get some falcons, or set up a fleet with basi's.
The shear overheating power on those reps would be indeed amazing, but what for other than some rich team to lose in the AT? Is that it, is that all you want? |
michael boltonIII
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
199
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Posted - 2012.06.06 01:25:00 -
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Ok, so you guys actually made me do the math. This ship is easily cap stable with 4 reps just like a scimi or a basi with a cap partner as long as the extra mid and low are used for cap.
Look at the ship stats before you start slamming down claims. This ship has 750 GJ more cap than a scimi and has the same recharge rate as a scimi as well.
Feel free to lose this ship in live combat to your hearts content guys, you won't need a second one to be cap stable, hell you can fit 5 reps and burst the last one when you need it. |
CarnegieSteel
Minmatar War Orphans Fund
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Posted - 2012.06.06 01:58:00 -
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michael boltonIII wrote:
Making note not to bet on Team Liquid.
I just bet 2b against them |
Jita Traderman
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:52:00 -
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Team Liquid is like the Harlem Globetrotters of small gang pvp, and everyone else are the Washington Generals. I'm betting on them making it deep this AT. |
CarnegieSteel
Minmatar War Orphans Fund
7
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:55:00 -
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Jita Traderman wrote:Team Liquid is like the Harlem Globetrotters of small gang pvp,.
A comedy troupe not good enough to actually play professionally? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
88
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Posted - 2012.06.06 09:03:00 -
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i like it just cos it's an osprey hull, that alone makes it hilarious
i do agree it should get another high slot tho |
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Naraish Adarn
Fastfood for Fishies
15
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Posted - 2012.06.06 09:36:00 -
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im propably only one that thinks it terribly ironius that Etana (from my pov) looks like a covert logistics ships name means Snail i wonder if CCP boys did dictionary check. |
Lord Aliventi
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.06.06 09:37:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote: Either it is to be fitted with 4 shield transfers and 2 cap transfers, like a basilisk and with no covops ability, or you forfeit some of its repping ability to make it a cloaky. Pretty much every other covops ship ever has a high slot more than their hardpoints for their weapon system to avoid exactly this issue, maybe this is just an oversight.
Or you could be cool and have logi V and fit 5 shield and 1 cap transfer to your Basi. As as pointed out above you could make it cap stable easily with that many slots which means you wouldn't need the cap transfer.
I personally think it's a brilliant ship. I wish it wasn't a AT prize because Black Ops could do with a logi ship. But oh well. Time to save up 30 bil. |
TL is Bad
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 10:31:00 -
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People in the Hatchery are some of the biggest fagjobs i have ever seen. They are mean and rude to everyone and i dont understand how they even play together. Any new guy that joins them is treated like ****.
Kwark im not sure wtf you posted and i really dont care. I couldnt get the ringing of your bad British accent out of my head while reading it. You guys are terrible and hope you get stomped in the first game. |
Kristan Konraden
The Hatchery Team Liquid
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 11:23:00 -
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TL is Bad wrote: ...lots of tears...
Nice alt you made there. Come back with your main if you expect anyone to take you serious. Pro tip: you may want to start a new thread for that purpose. |
Jimmy Visions
GENIUS BULGOGI BEST BULGOGI
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:57:00 -
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TL is Bad wrote:People in the Hatchery are some of the biggest fagjobs i have ever seen. They are mean and rude to everyone and i dont understand how they even play together. Any new guy that joins them is treated like ****.
Kwark im not sure wtf you posted and i really dont care. I couldnt get the ringing of your bad British accent out of my head while reading it. You guys are terrible and hope you get stomped in the first game.
I agree with this reasonable fellow with all my heart and soul.
As a member of the starcraft community proper, that is, the starcraft community outside of EVE, I am ashamed by these Team Liquid fellows.
The Team Liquid alliance is full of overconfident assholes like Kwark uK, Sergeant RL3, and Aeth Gemulus, who seem to feel that their ability to run around in stupidly expensive overpowered ships (like the tengu: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13090580 and the machariel: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13447939) and kill (most of the time they just die lolololol) baddies in nullsec entry systems gives them the right to look down upon and talk **** to everyone else around them.
This tournament should be a proper reality check for these pricks, hopefully silencing their ridiculous braggadocio once and for all. Team Liquid simply doesn't stand a chance versus proper, experienced alliances like Pandemic Legion and TEST.
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CarnegieSteel
Minmatar War Orphans Fund
8
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:07:00 -
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Jimmy Visions wrote: This tournament should be a proper reality check for these pricks, hopefully silencing their ridiculous braggadocio once and for all. Team Liquid simply doesn't stand a chance versus proper, experienced alliances like Pandemic Legion and TEST.
Stop ruining the odds on my bets. |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
156
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:12:00 -
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TL is Bad wrote:People in the Hatchery are some of the biggest fagjobs i have ever seen. They are mean and rude to everyone and i dont understand how they even play together. Any new guy that joins them is treated like ****.
Kwark im not sure wtf you posted and i really dont care. I couldnt get the ringing of your bad British accent out of my head while reading it. You guys are terrible and hope you get stomped in the first game.
Sup hench |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
826
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:58:00 -
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The Etana is awesome in every way and it's easily the best tourney prize ever given out. ~ |
NdquatrE
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:05:00 -
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There is an inevitable conflict and contradiction between the ability of it to be covops and the ability of it to be a functional logi on the field. The slot problem is an example of how CCP have failed to account for this but it goes further. The Etana should be able to lock and rep fleetmates while cloaked imo. |
Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
146
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:47:00 -
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If by chance Team Liquid win the tournament and are forced to accept these subpar and honestly embarassing prizes I can promise that PL will be there to help ease your pain. We will purchase all of these terrible ships from you so that you don't have to suffer the indignity of owning the best logistics ship the game has ever seen. |
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