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xhaloboyx
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Posted - 2009.09.18 04:12:00 -
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Here is my petition on what happened to me today.Maybe some of you can spread light on my dark day in EVE.
Hello, I am a desperate player at this point.I have lost everything I strived for in EVE Online.My pride is broken and I am about to quit playing the game I love so much.I am writing in hope that the generous people at the CCP can fix this problem that has unfortunatly occured to me.So heres the story.I had just purchased my favorite ship in the entire game,the Raven and was being carful on how I use it.I went out earlier today and bought some expensive rigs to put on it and then docked it for the day.Later on this evening, when I finished getting my capacitor stable, I prepared the 5a Prototype Shield Support I I was planning to use to repair my friends.So needless to say I wanted to test it out.I undocked outside the Kisogo State of War Academy to try it.I targeted a random player to see how my capacitor faired while using the Sheild Support System ONLY.I cant fire the Missile Launchers I had fit and i never got the question of if I was to agress Concord would attack so I targeted the player and was shield repairing him for about 2 minutes with no problems.Then it said I had engaged in criminal activity and I was immediatly being swarmed by Caldari customs police and sentry guns.I tried to run,I tried to dock but i was killed too quick to even realize what was happening.The combat log is as states: 2009.09.18 02:45:00
Victim: xhaloboyx Corp: Domination Incorporated. Alliance: Damnation. Faction: NONE Destroyed: Raven System: Kisogo Security: 1.0 Damage Taken: 26467
Involved parties:
Name: Caldari Sentry Gun II / State War Academy Damage Done: 13663
Name: CONCORD Police Commander / CONCORD (laid the final blow) Damage Done: 12804
Destroyed items:
Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 1000 (Cargo) Mark I Generator Refitting: Capacitor Power Relay, Qty: 3 Cruise Missile Launcher I, Qty: 5 'Pandemonium' I Ballistic Enhancement Shield Boost Amplifier I Cap Recharger II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I, Qty: 3 5a Prototype Shield Support I X-Large Shield Booster I
Dropped items:
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Mark I Generator Refitting: Capacitor Power Relay Cruise Missile Launcher I Cap Recharger II Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
I dont know what to do.Normally if it were my fault and I attacked a player I would agree with what happened but I never aggressed at all, if anything I was helping the guy I targeted.I am writing this petition to see what can be done to help or reimburse my account.I am a respectful person and have always followed CCP rules.What has happened to me has been a horrifying experience.I went from having my favorite ship to loosing it in seconds.I may not know everything about this game,hell I know I barely cracked the surface but I knew that if concord doesnt state that I was going to be attacked then I was safe to at least target a player and give them armor.I know that the AI for the police can be scetchy some times and maybe they werent even supposed to attack but I am begging you to help me I have no where to turn.I am sick of asking for help in this game and if I cant be saved from this experience I cant stand to play anymore,I worked too hard for this to happen to me and I feel humiliated,disgusted and extremely saddened that such a thing could happen by the AI I trust.I already feel anger towards myself for taking that chance and maybe I am wrong in all this.All I know is to be killed in such a fasion so quick and unforseeable,I cant help but to feel cheated and unfairly treated. I have nothing else to say, I am left speechless as to what to do.So please CCP, you really are my only hope in solving this problem. xHaloboyx Hopefully you guys can comment and support this incident.I am completely lost now and absolutely humiliated.I show this petition as an example, and hopefully some people can learn from the mistake I made.I hope I can at least inform some people of this tragedy.
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.18 04:27:00 -
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Sorry to say, But it's extremely unlikely that you will be reimbursed, Simply because CONCORD worked exactly the way it's supposed to.
The person you were remote repairing decided to screw you over, He shot at another player thereby gaining a global criminal countdown, And since you were repairing him you were aiding a criminal, Giving you a global criminal countdown as well and being attacked by CONCORD just like the player you were repairing. ------------------------- I'm not shirtless damnit! |
Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.09.18 04:30:00 -
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What happened was the guy you were repping committed a criminal act. That meant you were repairing a criminal, making you a criminal as well. You would have gotten the popup warning you (I believe) if he had already been targeted by CONCORD, but since it happened after you were repping him you got no warning. It sucks, but you aren't going to be reimbursed I'm almost positive. As I see it, you have two options:
1) You can emorage quit (can I has your stuff?) 2) You can move on, earn the money to replace your Raven, and learn from the experience.
The moral of the story is: NEVER use remote repair on anyone other than your friends. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Clytamnestra
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.09.18 04:30:00 -
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Sell a plex, buy a new raven, never do it again. Just please, don't quit on us!
But if you do, can I have what's left of your stuff?
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xhaloboyx
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Posted - 2009.09.18 04:40:00 -
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Thanks for the replies I dont know what the guy I repped did but I shouldnt pay for his problems if thats what happened.Concord easily whipped me out and he could have been taken out alone, even if I was a so called accessory to the criminal without me having anything to do with it.I wasn't expecting people to ask for my stuff as a "goodbye sucker" post but since I may be quiting I will distribute my items and money randomly throughout the jita area and sell plex.I really hope CCP pulls through for me I am horrified by this incident.I was 100% innocent and meant nothing by it.
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Victor Vision
Amarr Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2009.09.18 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Vision on 18/09/2009 04:49:30
Originally by: xhaloboyx Thanks for the replies I dont know what the guy I repped did but I shouldnt pay for his problems if thats what happened.Concord easily whipped me out and he could have been taken out alone, even if I was a so called accessory to the criminal without me having anything to do with it.I wasn't expecting people to ask for my stuff as a "goodbye sucker" post but since I may be quiting I will distribute my items and money randomly throughout the jita area and sell plex.I really hope CCP pulls through for me I am horrified by this incident.I was 100% innocent and meant nothing by it.
Mr. xhaloboyx,
see it as a learning experience, if you can. In EVE, cruel and very unfair things can happen to you. If it is within game mechanics, you will not get reimbursed.
A good advice is that you should never fly what you can not afford to lose, since chances are you will sooner or later lose your ship.
As has been said earlier, you can buy a plex for $15 and sell it for 270million isk. Be sure to inform yourself exactly on how this works, and beware of scammers that may try to cheat you out of your plex (scamming is allowed)
Whatever your choice for the future is, no need to feel bad about yourself for this incident. We all make mistakes. Live and learn.
best regards, VV
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.18 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: xhaloboyx Thanks for the replies I dont know what the guy I repped did but I shouldnt pay for his problems.
See, It used to be that criminal timers didn't transfer due to remote assistance, The result was people tanking concord and killing people in high sec by stacking remote reps on the ganker.
There's a very good reason why you SHOULD die if you assist a criminal.
You didn't know about it and got caught out, Tough luck, but that's how it is, The best advice that can be given really is "get over it", Learn from your mistake (yes, you did make a mistake in trusting that the person you remote repped couldn't do anything to get you killed, and wouldn't even if he could), recover, and don't make the same mistake again. ------------------------- I'm not shirtless damnit! |
SetrakDark
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:03:00 -
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What a tragedy.
We should all pitch in and buy him a new raven. Send your donations to me and I'll take care of it.
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xhaloboyx
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:09:00 -
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I understand what happened and why.But because of what some players do I shouldn't be held responsible.I wouldn't have even begun to target if i had received a warning that he was a criminal and I have no connection to the guy which furthers my point.I know this game is harsh and unforgiving but I shouldn't have to live with that happening so immorally.Its apparent I didnt aggress toward anyone, so if my target aggresses why shouldn't he just die and i get a countdown or something not instapoped.
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Tesco Yogurt
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: xhaloboyx I understand what happened and why.But because of what some players do I shouldn't be held responsible.I wouldn't have even begun to target if i had received a warning that he was a criminal and I have no connection to the guy which furthers my point.I know this game is harsh and unforgiving but I shouldn't have to live with that happening so immorally.Its apparent I didnt aggress toward anyone, so if my target aggresses why shouldn't he just die and i get a countdown or something not instapoped.
Oxymoron bolded. The game IS harsh, and you DO have to live with it.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:20:00 -
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You're not getting reimbursed. Also you broke the first rule of eve.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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xhaloboyx
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:25:00 -
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Oxymoron bolded. The game IS harsh, and you DO have to live with it. Thats not the point I was not stating how the game works, I was stating in general; its immoral to kill and innocent bystander that unknowingly helped a criminal.That better for you?
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Tesco Yogurt
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: xhaloboyx Thats not the point I was not stating how the game works, I was stating in general; its immoral to kill and innocent bystander that unknowingly helped a criminal.That better for you?
'Immoral' holds no value in this game. People think it's 'immoral' to blow up someone who doesn't want to PVP, think it's 'immoral' to get suicide ganked etc. Learn the game mechanics and treat this as a lesson so you don't make the same mistake in future. Also, don't crosspost.
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IVeige
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:41:00 -
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Crossposting the exact same thing on the other forum is pretty much stupid. Copying your pettion on the forum is pretty much stupid Complaining about it on the forum wont make it go faster, and it wont help you. And it wont make us cry for you.
So get over it, and go read the forum rules. kthank bye .
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Xodus TC
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: xhaloboyx Thats not the point I was not stating how the game works, I was stating in general; its immoral to kill and innocent bystander that unknowingly helped a criminal.That better for you?
Wow, that is pretty messed up
I just bought a Moa, Ferox, and Rokh yesterday, I would be sad if someone tricked me like that. But I also know I would lose them near instantly if I took em out, so they will stay docked for a while.
Sorry for your loss, hope you get back on your feet.
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Jake McCord
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:03:00 -
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You think you got troubles? I got scammed by some goonfleet grub worms that cost me 750,000,000.00 isk, and 4 ships, including a rigged Hurricane, a Vagabond, a Taranis, and a Drake. It could have been worse if I hadn't figured out what was going on and put a stop to the rest. But I'm not leaving EVE. I still have my other ships, and I still have a good wallet. But even if I didn't, I'd stick around, because most of the people in this game are good people. And it's still the best fun I can have online. (other than the sex games. ).
Won't your corp or alliance help you out? Ask them. Most do. But like the others, I'm sorry to say, I doubt CCP will reimburse you for your loss. It sucks, but that's the way it is.
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Baillif
Red Mist Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:12:00 -
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Edited by: Baillif on 18/09/2009 06:14:16 Edited by: Baillif on 18/09/2009 06:13:56 To quote the late great Rick James "They should have never gave you *****'s money!"
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xhaloboyx
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:16:00 -
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The last 2 posts have been very thoughtful and i thank you for agreeing that this incident was unfair.As for my corp, they have been very nice to me and have helped me alot to get to where I am but I would rather deal with this problem myself rather than drag my corp into it.It is true that the community in this game is generally nice and I will miss that should I decide to quit.But as of what happened I dont have a reason to stay for now.I still have yet to hear from CCP but as most of you said I probably wont get reimbursed.I just dont think its fair that someone could buy a dreadnought and then they rep someone and because that person attacked, they just lost a 1billion dollar ship instantly.How is that fair ?Especially if they have nothing to lose its like if any other game did that, when one teammate kills the other does the whole team pay?
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:26:00 -
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Eve is not fair.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Ran Khanon
Amarr The Phantom Acolytes
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ran Khanon on 18/09/2009 06:40:14
Welcome sir, to the honorable club of people who lost a new BS within a few minutes of undocking it and without even warping once. Had a similar experience myself lately. Still the loss of some ships before that in a couple of weeks of factional warfare had steeled my nerves.
I can recommend this to every player; go out and do dangerous stuff that might cost you your ship. A really big and unexpected loss won't hurt so much anymore.
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Amy Mouse
Intersteller Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.09.18 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: xhaloboyx The last 2 posts have been very thoughtful and i thank you for agreeing that this incident was unfair.As for my corp, they have been very nice to me and have helped me alot to get to where I am but I would rather deal with this problem myself rather than drag my corp into it.It is true that the community in this game is generally nice and I will miss that should I decide to quit.But as of what happened I dont have a reason to stay for now.I still have yet to hear from CCP but as most of you said I probably wont get reimbursed.I just dont think its fair that someone could buy a dreadnought and then they rep someone and because that person attacked, they just lost a 1billion dollar ship instantly.How is that fair ?Especially if they have nothing to lose its like if any other game did that, when one teammate kills the other does the whole team pay?
99% of all dreadnoughts can't get concorded, because they are in lowsec. Also, you didn't need to bother other people you didn't know. That was YOUR FAULT for not knowing the rules, and in return, consequence was swift. You were not aiding your teammates, but locking a random dude up and doing action on him without checking the rules with your teammates. About fairness... maybe eve/RL is not for you.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.18 08:08:00 -
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Quote: extremely saddened that such a thing could happen by the AI I trust.
You trust the AI??? Have you not seen Terminator and The Matrix? ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: xhaloboyx innocent bystander
You stopped being a bystander when you started to shield Xfer him, when he did something that incurred the wrath of CONCORD while you RRed him you stopped being innocent.
Unlike most other MMO's interaction and problems can be forced upon you by other players, that's the whole point of the game. Claiming to be innocent or ignorant doesn't shield you from that and coming up with all kinds of reasoning (mostly where one 'assumes' that their play style ideas are facts) doesn't gain one any sympathy.
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Movtaron
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Posted - 2009.09.18 08:24:00 -
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You see, this harsh unforgiving stuff is why most people play this game.
Also, why is all the responses so serious, did i click the mission forum ?
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Tobarg Shh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:16:00 -
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tl:dr?
short version: Guy remotereps stranger, stranger commits crime, both die in a fire. op wants reimbursements for being stupid.
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Face Eelai
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:21:00 -
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you failed at the first and most holy rule in eve: never fly anything you can't replace (sounds like you didn't even insure it?).
get a new raven, learn from the mistake, and go on.
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Tierie
Caldari The Happy Spacemen Ascendancy United
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:41:00 -
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I once attacked a mega navy issue who was repping me in my ishkur. I lost a 25mill ishkur but his faction fit mega navy died :D
oh, Haloboy, contact me ingame.
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Hanso Sparxx
Deep Penetration Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:53:00 -
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Why do people constantly think it's "immoral" when another person in a video game outsmarts them? ------------------ Go Deep! |
Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Face Eelai you failed at the first and most holy rule in eve: never fly anything you can't replace (sounds like you didn't even insure it?).
get a new raven, learn from the mistake, and go on.
no no no. that's the 3rd rule.
first rule is: TRUST NOONE. second is: TRUST ****ING NOONE. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:41:00 -
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to op:
You shouldn't give up. As has been mentioned above eve can sometimes be rather unfair. After you gain more experience etc, you'll notice that this loss was just pocket money.
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