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Hyperr
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:45:00 -
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curious for c3s what ship could be viable in soloing c3s? |
Bibosikus
Universal Moose Federation Moose Alliance
119
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:53:00 -
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Legion works well, it's what I use. It easily solos the anomalies, and can solo the top-end FFRD mag site if you tank up a bit and make sure you have around 65% cap stability.
Some people solo anoms in a Sac, but for pure isk/hr you can't beat the Legion. The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Hyperr
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:55:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote:Legion works well, it's what I use. It easily solos the anomalies, and can solo the top-end FFRD mag site if you tank up a bit and make sure you have around 65% cap stability.
Some people solo anoms in a Sac, but for pure isk/hr you can't beat the Legion.
really talking to a corp member today said he cant solo c3s with a legion.
mind posting me a fit i can look at and examine close |
Bibosikus
Universal Moose Federation Moose Alliance
120
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Posted - 2012.06.06 01:49:00 -
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[Legion, C3 farmer Solo anoms] Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Reflective Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Large Capacitor Battery II Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Will run any anomaly in around 12 minutes.
For mags & radars, swap to A-Type MAR, drop a heatsink & add another EANM. However, if you're new to C3 then it pays to learn all you can about where Sleeper waves spawn. If you can be close to a BS when it spawns, and get tranversal on it quickly, you will slough off a shedload of incoming dps because the Sleeper BS have very poor tracking.
Primary scrammers, neuters, rr in that order unless they're triggers. The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Hyperr
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:06:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote:[Legion, C3 farmer Solo anoms] Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Reflective Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Large Capacitor Battery II Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Will run any anomaly in around 12 minutes which is actually faster than a Tengu. I've used this & simliar fits for two years in our C3 static.
For mags & radars, swap to A-Type MAR, drop a heatsink & add another EANM. However, if you're new to C3 then it pays to learn all you can about where Sleeper waves spawn. If you can be close to a BS when it spawns, and get tranversal on it quickly, you will slough off a shedload of incoming dps because the Sleeper BS have very poor tracking.
Another common & cheaper fit is a twin T2 MAR setup with Focused Pulses. But it's dps it pretty gimped.
Primary scrammers, neuters, rr in that order unless they're triggers.
god dam does everything have to be faction out like you have it? |
Kalli Brixzat
39
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:50:00 -
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Hyperr wrote:Bibosikus wrote:[Legion, C3 farmer Solo anoms] Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Reflective Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Large Capacitor Battery II Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Will run any anomaly in around 12 minutes which is actually faster than a Tengu. I've used this & simliar fits for two years in our C3 static.
For mags & radars, swap to A-Type MAR, drop a heatsink & add another EANM. However, if you're new to C3 then it pays to learn all you can about where Sleeper waves spawn. If you can be close to a BS when it spawns, and get tranversal on it quickly, you will slough off a shedload of incoming dps because the Sleeper BS have very poor tracking.
Another common & cheaper fit is a twin T2 MAR setup with Focused Pulses. But it's dps it pretty gimped.
Primary scrammers, neuters, rr in that order unless they're triggers. god dam does everything have to be faction out like you have it?
To solo c3's in a Legion? Yes...it does. And even then, if one thing goes wrong, you could lose that Legion in a C3. And if someone shows up in a Manticore...you're dead.
That's the difference between the Legion and Tengu...the Tengu take a bit longer to clear sites, but is nigh invincible in that content. And the Tengu could survive in a knife fight if it came to that. |
Hyperr
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:32:00 -
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Kalli Brixzat wrote:Hyperr wrote:Bibosikus wrote:[Legion, C3 farmer Solo anoms] Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Reflective Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Large Capacitor Battery II Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Will run any anomaly in around 12 minutes which is actually faster than a Tengu. I've used this & simliar fits for two years in our C3 static.
For mags & radars, swap to A-Type MAR, drop a heatsink & add another EANM. However, if you're new to C3 then it pays to learn all you can about where Sleeper waves spawn. If you can be close to a BS when it spawns, and get tranversal on it quickly, you will slough off a shedload of incoming dps because the Sleeper BS have very poor tracking.
Another common & cheaper fit is a twin T2 MAR setup with Focused Pulses. But it's dps it pretty gimped.
Primary scrammers, neuters, rr in that order unless they're triggers. god dam does everything have to be faction out like you have it? To solo c3's in a Legion? Yes...it does. And even then, if one thing goes wrong, you could lose that Legion in a C3. And if someone shows up in a Manticore...you're dead. That's the difference between the Legion and Tengu...the Tengu take a bit longer to clear sites, but is nigh invincible in that content. And the Tengu could survive in a knife fight if it came to that.
dam seems like amor pilots are useless
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Vultirnus
Atlantic Evolution
17
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:39:00 -
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Sololing C3s in a Legion is a piece of cake. Invest the isk in a high end armor repper and you can tank anything you come across. "I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed |
Hyperr
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:06:00 -
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the thing is im at the point where i need to be able to manage a plex a month cant fit 15 dollars in my budget as a college student sadly
im wondering if a high cost legion is the only way in the amarr department for wormholes. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
163
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:30:00 -
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Hyperr wrote:the thing is im at the point where i need to be able to manage a plex a month cant fit 15 dollars in my budget as a college student sadly
im wondering if a high cost legion is the only way in the amarr department for wormholes. then drake it is |
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Hyperr
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:35:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Hyperr wrote:the thing is im at the point where i need to be able to manage a plex a month cant fit 15 dollars in my budget as a college student sadly
im wondering if a high cost legion is the only way in the amarr department for wormholes. then drake it is
god dam what about c4s c5s and c6s i haerd those are more group oriented what would be needed for those? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
223
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:49:00 -
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That legion isn't all that bad. Barely over 1 bil. Which isn't all that expensive for a T3
Unfortunately overall drakes and Tengu's own for wormholes.
Question though. Why C3? |
Hyperr
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:52:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:That legion isn't all that bad. Barely over 1 bil. Which isn't all that expensive for a T3
Unfortunately overall drakes and Tengu's own for wormholes.
Question though. Why C3?
well c3 is more easier accesible to me most of my alliance runs sites with shield fleets and i only can fly
im just trying to figure out what amarr ship i can fly that can solo c3s seeing how most of my alliance runs in drakes and tengus. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
223
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:57:00 -
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Hyperr wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:That legion isn't all that bad. Barely over 1 bil. Which isn't all that expensive for a T3
Unfortunately overall drakes and Tengu's own for wormholes.
Question though. Why C3? well c3 is more easier accesible to me most of my alliance runs sites with shield fleets and i only can fly im just trying to figure out what amarr ship i can fly that can solo c3s seeing how most of my alliance runs in drakes and tengus.
In a fleet the legion will rock. I run sites with a buddy in a legion. It complements the tengu/drake nicely. |
Hyperr
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:58:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Hyperr wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:That legion isn't all that bad. Barely over 1 bil. Which isn't all that expensive for a T3
Unfortunately overall drakes and Tengu's own for wormholes.
Question though. Why C3? well c3 is more easier accesible to me most of my alliance runs sites with shield fleets and i only can fly im just trying to figure out what amarr ship i can fly that can solo c3s seeing how most of my alliance runs in drakes and tengus. In a fleet the legion will rock. I run sites with a buddy in a legion. It complements the tengu/drake nicely.
could you throw your owne fit up that you run with your buds
and what class hole is it a c4? or a c3?
assuming you just rep your self? and hope your not targeted too long?
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
223
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:03:00 -
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Hyperr wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Hyperr wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:That legion isn't all that bad. Barely over 1 bil. Which isn't all that expensive for a T3
Unfortunately overall drakes and Tengu's own for wormholes.
Question though. Why C3? well c3 is more easier accesible to me most of my alliance runs sites with shield fleets and i only can fly im just trying to figure out what amarr ship i can fly that can solo c3s seeing how most of my alliance runs in drakes and tengus. In a fleet the legion will rock. I run sites with a buddy in a legion. It complements the tengu/drake nicely. could you throw your owne fit up that you run with your buds and what class hole is it a c4? or a c3? assuming you just rep your self? and hope your not targeted too long? Not on my computer right now, but I'd say it is a similar fit to above. And yes C3. Haven't tried C4's yet although from my understanding they are where you really want to start using the same tank and RR |
Hyperr
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:20:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Hyperr wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Hyperr wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:That legion isn't all that bad. Barely over 1 bil. Which isn't all that expensive for a T3
Unfortunately overall drakes and Tengu's own for wormholes.
Question though. Why C3? well c3 is more easier accesible to me most of my alliance runs sites with shield fleets and i only can fly im just trying to figure out what amarr ship i can fly that can solo c3s seeing how most of my alliance runs in drakes and tengus. In a fleet the legion will rock. I run sites with a buddy in a legion. It complements the tengu/drake nicely. could you throw your owne fit up that you run with your buds and what class hole is it a c4? or a c3? assuming you just rep your self? and hope your not targeted too long? Not on my computer right now, but I'd say it is a similar fit to above. And yes C3. Haven't tried C4's yet although from my understanding they are where you really want to start using the same tank and RR
hmm alright then just trying to figure out what i can do c4s group wise as armor **** sucks being amarr feelsbadman:(
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Koda Myr'koff
Lollipops for Rancors
2
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Posted - 2012.06.09 10:45:00 -
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This thread is relevant to my interests.
I've seen the above fit and ones very similar posted before, so I'd say it's good.
Regarding C4 anoms, myself & some corpmates used to run C4 sideholes on occasion in our C3 ships. Some of them we simply skipped, but most could be done if you were careful. Obviously the more pilots there the easier it becomes, but there was still a lot of warping out. Was usually a Tengu or two, either a Legion/Loki I think, and me noobing in it up in a sentry-filled Dominix. It worked but it was far from ideal, and I know that at least one Tengu was lost. |
243636
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:20:00 -
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[Legion, C3 farmer Solo anoms] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Heat sink II Heat sink II Damage control II
Medium Capacitor Battery II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II True Sansha Stasis Web
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Capacito Control Circuit I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
This is a basic fit that can run C3 noms in about 15 mins. With skills @5 it has 697 defence 458 dps with faction multi frequency range 11+5km 365 dps with scorch range 34+5km Speed 640 with the AB on.
Then add a few cheap implants for damage, tank and cap and it just gets better
Most of the C3 waves you will only need to put on 1 repper. The Wave's with a BS in you will need both reppers on while you take out any nueting or webbing ships. Then you can get into range on the BS and web it while orbiting it and switch off 1 rep.
As with all T3's once you have the isk to faction it up abit you can swap out the heat sinks and bump up the rigs to T2 for more tank. Once you get to know how to fly it you can swap out the cap battery and cap recharger for a cap injector and a point so you have some pvp options or even just a Target painter if you fly with tengus/drakes.
This is by no means the best fit for a legion but it is the poor mans version and it will clear C3 noms easily. For C3 mags or radars I would wait until you can afford to pimp it a bit.
The best advice I can offer though is to learn the spawn points for each annom and get you ship into position as you kill the previous wave. |
Lili Lu
266
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:30:00 -
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Gotta love this thread.
Here you go CCP, as if you didn't already know, yet more feedback evidence in a non shocker, considering the advantages of shield tanking, system affects, HML and heavy missile range with dps, sleeper coding, etc. - WHs are filled with Drakes and Tengus
But it has already been years of this.
Oh hey, maybe you can design another vast new pve environment that also favors these ships. |
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Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.06.09 19:33:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Gotta love this thread. Here you go CCP, as if you didn't already know, yet more feedback evidence in a non shocker, considering the advantages of shield tanking, system affects, HML and heavy missile range with dps, sleeper coding, etc. - WHs are filled with Drakes and Tengus But it has already been years of this. Oh hey, maybe you can design another vast new pve environment that also favors these ships.
The Legion is still very good at Vanguards.
On a somewhat related note, can you run C2's in a zealot or harby? |
Heun zero
Reliant Tactical Operations
59
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:21:00 -
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I dont know anything about legion fits tbh, but as a rule of thumb I reckon you could count around 300dps per BS for sleepers. So for a 2 bs site you'd need a 600 dps tank + a little something for the cruisers and the frigates that are in the site.
I think that range might become somehwat of a problem too though when you want to solo in a wh. Because the sleepers web the hell out of you ( and neut to a lesser extend). We have someone in a proteus thats doing sites and it's good for group work but it's hard to solo sites because of the limited range and the webs.
on a side note, if you're looking for a wh corp then drop me a mail ingame. I'm living in a c4 wh with a c3 static. We could help you to get going in the wh and help you make more then enough isk for a plex each month |
Windorian
Leeole's Legion
31
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Posted - 2012.06.10 05:28:00 -
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Legion works just fine for C3 sites. Compared to a Tengu though (As many in this thread have done) it has a very different role.
First off, i don't know WHO takes 12 minutes to run a C3 anom in a Tengu. Really.
I can solo Fort's in 6 minutes, and even outposts (The highest HP site for sleepers) i can do in about 10 minutes. If it's taking you 15 minutes to run a site in a C3, you are in a drake, or flying your T3 wrong.
The legion will never have the same DPS application as a tengu, and it takes considerably longer to run C3's in a Legion then a tengu. It does do it in a reasonable amount of time though (9 minute forts, 16 minute outposts). This has less to do with DPS, and more to do with DPS APPLICATION.
A legion has to fly to it's targets, get them withing falloff/optimal, and hope they get good hits. When the target falls, they start over, lining up the shot, and widdling them down. A Legions max effective range is never going to be more then 50km (Notice, i said EFFECTIVE range, i know they can hit further, but it's for peanuts). A Tengu on the other hand, can land on field, lock targets 100km out, and begin firing immeadiately.
This gives the Tengu a HUGE damage application boost over the legion.
There is one area where the Legion far outpaces the Tengu though, and that's killing frigs. We normally keep atleast 1 Legion in fleet, just to take out frigs. In the time it takes my 680 DPs tengu to kill one frigate, my buddy in a 450 DPS Legion has already killed 3. Lasers just do much better vs the small frigs then heavy missiles do.
If you are in a C2 or C1, a Legion will actually be a much better choice and will clear sites much faster then a Tengu. For C3, the Tengu is better, but Legion's are no slouch. You also don't NEED the shiniest of fits, but it does make a big difference in performance. |
Dato Koppla
The Irken Armada
47
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Posted - 2012.06.10 09:25:00 -
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Windorian, do you mind sharing your C3 tengu fit? |
Windorian
Leeole's Legion
31
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Posted - 2012.06.11 04:16:00 -
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2 Main fits i use, depending on how gank vs tank i wanna go
Highs: 6 HML T2
Mids: 1 Caldari navy adaptive 1 T2 adaptive 1 Pithi C-type EM hardener 2 Pithi C type shield boost amps 1 Pithi A type SMALL shield booster (Yes, i use a frigate sized booster)
Lows: 4 CN Ballistics
Rigs: 1 T2 CCC 1 T2 rigor 1 T2 flare
Current skills, implants, etc. (Not including overheat)
DPS Fury / CN 682 / 614 Tank (Omni) 662 Cap 37% cap stable.
The rigor AND flare mix makes this thing hit like a truck. The tank was sufficient, though i did have oh @#$% moments when initally big spawns primaried me. Cap was also not very nuet resistant though that was only a problem in rdr/mags.
Eventually i Modifed and Swapped the Flare for a Shield Cap safegaurd Changed 4th BCU for Cap power relay Changed Shield booster to a Pith Medium A
New stats:
DPS Unchanged, though frigates take noticable longer due to removal of flare Tank : 1041 DPS (Omni) Cap 46% cap stable |
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