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Knus'lar
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:10:00 -
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I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life? |
Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:16:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:There are sociopaths who PVP but being a PVPer does not make you a sociopath.
If all sociopaths played this game instead of getting into politics or becoming cops the real world would be a better place.
Lol, perhaps it would. EVE would become more interesting to be sure |
Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:20:00 -
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Lustralis wrote:Knus'lar wrote: For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
It's an interesting question. But the trouble with it is you've used the term "PvP'ers". Nobody would agree with it in that form.
Okay, then lets assume i mean high sec gankers, because thats what the threads are usually crying about anyways |
Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:52:00 -
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Diablo Ex wrote:To be frankly honest here, a person's "Integrity" is measured by how they conduct themselves when nobody is looking. This game, and many aspects of the internet, are anonymous. This allows folks to act out as they want, without fear of consequences. You are as you imagine you are... Those who find enjoyment in ruining the day for others, and generally being a "sociopath" in game, is simply revealing their true inner nature. If they were to find themselves in an equally unconsequential situation, I expect that they would act out in real life as they do in game. Their only "restraint" if they are honest, is self-preservation. If they saw that they could gank and kill, without a danger of being caught, or permanently killed, they would not only do it, they would enjoy the thrill of it.
I speak from real world experience from being in the military and observing human nature. If we remove that thin veneer of civilization, we quickly find out who the animals are...
We also find out quickly who the whiny care bears are when a suicide bomber walks into your local restaurant... I don't expect to see many folks in the neighborhood making excuses for the bomber, or referring to a sandbox.
Am I the only one who wouldnt go murdering IRL if there were suddenly no consequences? That is just not something I would EVER do. But in game i a perfectly intent to blow up internet pixels |
Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
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Posted - 2012.06.07 21:02:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:
You have a link where someone who was ganked (NPC alt's don't count) saying flat out that anyone who ganks or does PvP is a sociopath?
I can't tell if he was ganked or is an alt, but from here. MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem? It isn't a problem If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem? It isn't a problem If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem? There isn't a problem.
As a response to part 2 of your question look at these forums and count the number of high sec residents screaming bloody murder that they should be 100% safe in high sec, lobbying CCP for a 100% safe high sec, and making ludicrous claims about other players violating the EULA. If mining and missioning in hi sec aren't problems to these sociopaths, then why the incessant call to arms from the "hardcore PVPer" community to attack and kill them? Why the constant belligerence and belittling against them? Why the unfounded and deliberate accusations that carebears are greedy and stupid? Why the constant whining and crying about moving missions and anything remotely fun to them into lo/null sec? Why the constant whining that carebears should be kicked out of NPC corps and hi sec altogether? Do you consider the act of enjoying ruining someone else's day (ie "collecting tears") normal or even healthy behavior? And I am not talking about PVP'ing for in-game reasons. When you "PVP" to deliberately provoke real negative reactions from a real human being because this brings you joy (note how your enjoyment is also real) then you can stop it right there claiming that the game is "just a game", because at that point to you, it has become more than that. The game itself has become a real-life tool to project your ill-intent. And I maintain that not only are you a sociopath, but a sadistic one at that. The hate and pleasure for ruining people's days that hulkageddon seems to breed are but a few signs of this ill-intent behavior. And no, I haven't been ganked in hi sec. I don't even mine in hi sec. I also find the hypocrisy of a couple of posters in this very thread who have in numerous occasions called carebears (among other names) greedy, cowards, and sociopaths in real life, quite ironic.
You're wrong on this imo. People enjoy blowing up ships because its cathartic. People cry about losing ships because they get to attached to a game. |
Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
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Posted - 2012.06.07 21:13:00 -
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Gitanmaxx wrote:stop trying to defend yourself by calling yourselves PvPers.
PvP means player vs player, not being a d-bag.
Well....
But seriosuly, it depends on how you look at it. If someone blows up my ship, Are they a d-bag or am i too emotionally attached? Think about that for me |
Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
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Posted - 2012.06.07 21:23:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:I say 'both.'
I dont know why. I say 'Bolth'. (Get it?)
But i dont know man, am I a douche for blowing up a hulk that has no tank and isnt aligned? I dont think so. "Dont make your lack of planning into my emergency." is one of my favorite quotes. Really no one should ever die to high sec gankers. But they make themselves a false sense of security and get too attached to their ships. That isnt the ganker's fault |
Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:00:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Syndrea Caedrion wrote:Diablo Ex wrote:To be frankly honest here, a person's "Integrity" is measured by how they conduct themselves when nobody is looking. This game, and many aspects of the internet, are anonymous. This allows folks to act out as they want, without fear of consequences. You are as you imagine you are... Those who find enjoyment in ruining the day for others, and generally being a "sociopath" in game, is simply revealing their true inner nature. If they were to find themselves in an equally unconsequential situation, I expect that they would act out in real life as they do in game. Their only "restraint" if they are honest, is self-preservation. If they saw that they could gank and kill, without a danger of being caught, or permanently killed, they would not only do it, they would enjoy the thrill of it.
I speak from real world experience from being in the military and observing human nature. If we remove that thin veneer of civilization, we quickly find out who the animals are...
We also find out quickly who the whiny care bears are when a suicide bomber walks into your local restaurant... I don't expect to see many folks in the neighborhood making excuses for the bomber, or referring to a sandbox. I love intellectually honest people who can see through all the BS straight down to the core. One of the best posts I've read in a long time. I think I'll wait till an accredited psychologist chimes in rather than assume "I'm in the military, i watched folk" guy is in any way correct in summing up the whole of the human psyche in one pat paragraph. Thanks.
I have to say i agree. I dont think anyone is really fit to make statements on the whole of human psyche to be honest with you. |
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