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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:16:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote: For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
It's an interesting question. But the trouble with it is you've used the term "PvP'ers". Nobody would agree with it in that form. |
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:58:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote: It's actually attitudes like this being waved around that has made so many want to gank hulks in the first place and I understand the sentiment so well.
What attitude? Let's face it the reason you want to gank Hulks is for the giggles and to get points in your peer group. It's nothing to do with what The Other is doing in his Hulk. I mean why would you care one little bit what some other guy half way across the game galaxy is doing in his little barge? Just admit it and we can move along and start talking about something more interesting, because these Hulk/Mining threads are getting really boring. |
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:16:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote: How about thwacking miners with Darwin's Hammer, because they refuse to evolve. I'm a huge fan of Hulkageddon and the mayhem and chaos it is causing in EVE's Whoville. Does this make me a sociopath?
The problem with using Darwin's Hammer is you don't know what you're selecting for, only what you're selecting against. For example, CONCORD didn't used to exist in Eve near the very beginning. Darwin's Hammer forced its introduction. And now you rail against the supposed "safety" of High Sec? It's safer because Darwin's Hammer selects thoughts in CCP Developer and Accountant heads, not because it changes the mining population significantly.
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:26:00 -
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Otebski wrote:It's like playing COD and whining that people shoot you when all you want to do is collect ammo.
Naaaa, it's nothing like that at all. COD is pure FPS isn't it. Like TF 2. There are little social rules even in these games you know, although COD is far worse for people paying attention to them than TF 2 is because TF 2 attracts an *average* older age crowd than COD does. Anyway the point is that in a game like TF 2 pretty much everyone agrees what constitutes anti-social behaviour and players can easily be kicked by admins when they engage in it. Even pubs are relatively well behaved.
When it comes to Eve things are different. It's *possible* to have different groups of people, or different areas of space where what constitutes anti-social or "immoral" behaviour is different. This is where the apparent clash in play-styles comes from. You are convinced you are right and The Other is convinced he is right. This is simply a cultural difference.
The only problem AFAIK is that on this occasion one "culture" has decided it doesn't like the other and is actively trying to grief it out of the game. And it is griefing especially as it generally involves recycled one week old alts, which btw are a bannable exploit, although difficult to petition for various reasons. |
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:30:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote: The attitude where people join a game that is primarily based around conflict, competition and never being 100% safe anywhere and then complaining because they lost some space pixels to valid game play
Again, to be clear game-play is invalid if it's performed by recycled one week old alts. Dress it up anyway you like, but that's where most of the butt-hurt is coming from. So all other arguments are kind-of moot here. Behaviour that is petitionable and bannable is what we're mostly talking about. |
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:45:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote: Actually no it's not, I was talking about the attitude that you should be left alone which has nothing to do with what you're talking about at all, so my argument is not moot at all, it's just you trying to change it to suit yourself. I'm not talking about game mechanics at all so if you wish to discuss that fine, but I'm talking about that fact that some people feel they should be allowed to be completely separated from the rest of the game, which is utterly fallacious thinking.
It is moot, because what are you arguing here? If another player wants to be left alone to engage in whatever activity in Sandbox Eve, where ganking his ass is one possible choice of many and by no means compulsory, who are you to say he's "playing it wrong"? It's really none of your business what he does with his time! Why do you even care?
I honestly have no idea where the fun is in doing something like that. If he's in field with 9 other Hulks all called ChingChongChang0x, then yes, I can see the point. But if it's OldeBob and his alt mining Velspar, what is the point? It's just, you know, being an ass for the hell of it.
I have a nephew who likes to be an ass just for the hell of it. He's a lovely lad out of game, but a complete twonk inside of it. I try to teach him a little self-respect and tell him that even though it's a lot of space pixels, there are other people, some of whom suffer from a surfeit of emotion, out there on the other end of the line. He pays no attention. I'm sure that he'll grow out of it.
Anyway, don't get me wrong, suicide ganking is fine if you aren't doing it with recycled alt. It's just called Gameplay. If you are doing it with recycled alt it's totally not fine and is an exploit. I would be interested to know what proportion of ganks are of the latter form. If it's a significant number CCP has a problem.
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:50:00 -
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Svarek wrote: To be honest, I'd have to side with the PvP-ers on this one, despite being generally more PvE myself. A world without player/player interaction like PvP would be completely flat and false, and the entire aspect of the player-driven world - to which PvP is absolutely vital - is what makes Eve Eve and not some other, generic MMORPG like Star Trek Online.
But you present a false dichotomy. Not many people are just doing PvE, if you count industry as PvP (which some would, if you have competitors). For example I mine sometimes to get mins for the things I build through invention. I mine ice sometimes too to exchange it for fuel blocks (equivalent value) to run the POS I use to manufacture. Am I doing PvE or PvP? To most people PvP is about getting into a ship and firing your guns. The majority of people aren't doing that though. In this context PvP is a minority activity in Eve.
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