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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7731
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:35:00 -
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Horus Ernaga wrote:The real question is why are these players specifically targeting those that do with wish to be targeted. Because they're valid targets and because wishing not to be targeted isn't reason enough not to target them GÇö they have to actually avoid making themselves targets if they want to achieve that goal.
Also, since many of them did what you did and followed bad advice, it's a good idea to do so for a number of reasons (and you also illustrate why, in spite of the adamant insistence to the contrary from the victim camp, there are some very real risks to it all). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Velicitia
Open Designs
994
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Horus Ernaga wrote:The real question is why are these players specifically targeting those that do with wish to be targeted. Because they're valid targets and because wishing not to be targeted isn't reason enough not to target them GÇö they have to actually avoid making themselves targets if they want to achieve that goal. Also, since many of them did what you did and followed bad advice, it's a good idea to do so for a number of reasons (and you also illustrate why, in spite of the adamant insistence to the contrary from the victim camp, there are some very real risks to it all).
Actually Tippia, I think he's talking about the tank in Halada's guide. It's not that bad ... BUT it's only good in the place it was designed to be used, and for the purpose it was designed for (i.e. tanking nullsec rat DPS).
Far as ganking miners goes ... I do it so I can have the rocks to myself. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7732
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:57:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Actually Tippia, I think he's talking about the tank in Halada's guide. It's not that bad ... BUT it's only good in the place it was designed to be used, and for the purpose it was designed for (i.e. tanking nullsec rat DPS). I know what he was talking about, and I still consider it bad advice for pretty much that reason: it just presents a tank, and while the guide mentions what it's supposed to protect against, it completely fails to mention the alternatives and why you might want to choose them instead. For the new player, there is no way of spotting that omission.
It's like selling a Mac Pro to a complete computer illiterate person because it's what everyone in video production uses, and not mentioning that, no, it won't come with Solitaire or MS Paint or GÇ£that blue GÇÿeGÇÖ that means GÇÿthe internetsGÇÖGÇ¥, or that a grey box with two fewer zeros at the end of the price tag will probably do what the user wants far betterGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Horus Ernaga
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:57:00 -
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Being new I had no idea it was bad advice. At the time no one said fit extenders. It was all "Stay aligned" "Don't AFK' "Warp when someone enter the belt". Which leaves you warping in and out constantly in a lot of places. I had yet to see a solid way of not making yourself a target other than just not logging on or not being a miner period. Fight back you say? Sure take your low combat skills or non existent combat skills and knowledge and go fight the enemy. Wait what, that didn't work out well? OK put yourself offline for awhile and get some more combat SP? Come on really? If your in the game to take part of the industrial/market PVP why are you forced to take the combat route? Option 3: Hire someone? Sure I'll take you ISK and crush these guys... Wow their all docked from the war dec, sorry dude. No you dont get a refund, or in some cases... thanks for the isk.. this is boring we are going back over here now...Option 4: Get some permanent guards for you high sec mini..... What the hell am I saying? I for one am not going to sit in a belt for two hours while Joe Dirt mines... at least Joe is doing something more than staring at his overview even part of the time.
Now I know extenders will lower how appealing of a target you are, that's just until someone figures out how to overcome it. I'm sure. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
629
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:08:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:I am also ~literally~ a child. I'm posting this from mommy's smartphone outside of the JCPenny while she tries on dresses. After this we are going to go get some ice cream and then go home where daddy is going to "Get sauced" and hit me with his belt while screaming he wished I was a boy.
I am a boy :(
maybe the best gd post ever |
Horus Ernaga
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:17:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Tippia wrote:Horus Ernaga wrote:The real question is why are these players specifically targeting those that do with wish to be targeted. Because they're valid targets and because wishing not to be targeted isn't reason enough not to target them GÇö they have to actually avoid making themselves targets if they want to achieve that goal. Also, since many of them did what you did and followed bad advice, it's a good idea to do so for a number of reasons (and you also illustrate why, in spite of the adamant insistence to the contrary from the victim camp, there are some very real risks to it all). Actually Tippia, I think he's talking about the tank in Halada's guide. It's not that bad ... BUT it's only good in the place it was designed to be used, and for the purpose it was designed for (i.e. tanking nullsec rat DPS). Far as ganking miners goes ... I do it so I can have the rocks to myself.
Like taking the rocks just to sell or actually refining them to use in production? The former I won't comment on, the ladder however I can live with.
Don't get me wrong I understand as long as you are logged in your in a lot of ways a target regardless of profession. My point is they have little interest in our side of PVP but have little in the way of actually preventing it. |
Shaampoo
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
54
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:19:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life? I am not bothered because i cant fell empathy and i am psychopathic |
Widow Cain
19
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:28:00 -
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Degren wrote:Ten Bulls wrote:Hmm, so your sayin its the solo miners that are mining the minerals that almost every item in eve is constructed from are the ones that are unable to relate to EVE society. That the players that shoot those defenseless mining ships are actually helping EVE as a group by making those naughty miners stop with their selfish activities...
I cant possibly think think of any flaws in that argument, no sir no flaws in that logic, we just get rid of the selfish primary producers and the rest of society will be just fine. Or your making excuses to justify your previous beliefs, one or the other.
The thing you are forgetting is that they do it for money. Not for the community. Dear god your post was painful to read.
I bomb people for the community, unlike those greedy miners.
OMG You are sooo pixel macho... |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
158
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:42:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
It's quite well known that people act in games, they way they would like to act in RL, but can't due to pesky laws and such.
That being said, my guess would be the people they are calling sociopath would be the ones who prefer PvG. Ganking someone who can't fight back. Nothing wrong with ganking imho, although current mechanics appear to be broken with respect to balance.
However someone who lives for the tears, probably has other issues....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
169
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:43:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
No, because those people clearly don't know the definition of one.
Knus'lar wrote:For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
Yes. |
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Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:47:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:In the RW...
I am actually a very calm and collected person... although still a geek.
When people bug me at work I simple tell them, because of what you did or did not do, somebody in EVE online is going hate me today.
Does that make a sociopath? I would rather vent by blowing things up in make believe than show up at the office with a shotgun.
Funny Story... I told my co-workers the only thing keeping me from showing up at work with a Shotgun and blowing all you away is my ability to go online and shoot people. I got nervous laughter which i found extremely funny.
They pay for my internet connection.
Today what someone does or does not do to me, someone is going to hate me in the real world, and then I just mine Veldspar and wait for the sirens...and count the number of teeth and skull fragments I found imbedded in the baseball bat I used. it's all about the Frame Rate... |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:53:00 -
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i blow up spaceships in a super simulated computer universe
i burn ants alive with a magnifying glass in the real world |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1003
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:00:00 -
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I scream hate at the towers as my scorpion fires cruise missiles at it.
It could be that I'm trying to drown out Boat, however. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Horus Ernaga
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:05:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground. No, because those people clearly don't know the definition of one. Knus'lar wrote:For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life? Yes.
Act? No, probably not. Do you act in a game the way you think in RL? Definitely. For the guy who you told to "Cry moar" is indeed not standing in front of you, and with almost certainty never will. On the other hand if he was it might be something along the lines of "Sorry dude". Which isn't how you feel but the other option "could" endanger you. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
399
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:13:00 -
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Horus Ernaga wrote: Act? No, probably not. Do you act in a game the way you think in RL? Definitely. For the guy who you told to "Cry moar" is indeed not standing in front of you, and with almost certainty never will. On the other hand if he was it might be something along the lines of "Sorry dude". Which isn't how you feel but the other option "could" endanger you.
Say that the next time some dickbag manager lays off half his staff during a hallmark production year while claiming "The Economy" just so he and his fellow stockholders can have a few percentage points more on their dividends.
I do have to admit that I don't act in real life the same way I do in eve however.
I can't fly spaceships you see.
:( |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1003
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:23:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Horus Ernaga wrote: Act? No, probably not. Do you act in a game the way you think in RL? Definitely. For the guy who you told to "Cry moar" is indeed not standing in front of you, and with almost certainty never will. On the other hand if he was it might be something along the lines of "Sorry dude". Which isn't how you feel but the other option "could" endanger you.
Say that the next time some dickbag manager lays off half his staff during a hallmark production year while claiming "The Economy" just so he and his fellow stockholders can have a few percentage points more on their dividends. I do have to admit that I don't act in real life the same way I do in eve however. I can't fly spaceships you see. :( Reality is harsh too. :( Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
322
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:32:00 -
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Alexandra Delarge wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:[Do you consider the act of enjoying ruining someone else's day (ie "collecting tears") normal or even healthy behavior? And I am not talking about PVP'ing for in-game reasons. When you "PVP" to deliberately provoke real negative reactions from a real human being because this brings you joy (note how your enjoyment is also real) then you can stop it right there claiming that the game is "just a game", because at that point to you, it has become more than that. The game itself has become a real-life tool to project your ill-intent. And I maintain that not only are you a sociopath, but a sadistic one at that.
The hate and pleasure for ruining people's days that hulkageddon seems to breed are but a few signs of this ill-intent behavior. And no, I haven't been ganked in hi sec. I don't even mine in hi sec.
I also find the hypocrisy of a couple of posters in this very thread who have in numerous occasions called carebears (among other names) greedy, cowards, and sociopaths in real life, quite ironic. If you refuse to accept that 'it's just a game' then it is you that has the problem. Red Herring. You didn't answer the question. Instead you derailed and asked attention be placed on the victim. It's about what I expect, to be honest. Still, I'll respond to your comment (even though this is not what this topic was about).
I think if a person doesn't react well to a loss (and isn't being emotionally provoked) then he probably needs to learn to cope better with emotional situations. I've met many people like that in real life who mostly overreact to situations. However, I don't necessarily consider this to be a "short circuit" of the brain and more a case of a person being exposed to a situation they have had no experience in dealing with.
Just my 2 cents. |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:41:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
Mittens was banned for 30 days for just that. His only regret was that he made a bad political move.
The only reason CCP banned him was for political reasons. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
83
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:43:00 -
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What people think when they gank a miner in high-sec:
BlackOps 1 this is CommandoOps, over. CommandoOps this is BlackOps 1. Are you in position CommandoOps? We are in position BlackOps 1. Rgr CommandoOps. Target in range. Proceed to coordinates 123 X 456 X 789. Account for nearby solar activity on warp in. Coordinates entered. Using the tangent of a right triangle on a dipolar shift to account for solar storm. We are on our way BlackOps 1, over. CommandoOps Leader to CommandoOps team, Open Fire! Glorious Pew Pew. \o/
What really goes on:
Gang Leader: "Dirty Bird, get on comms man. We're going ganking in hi-sec. Oh, and dont fart into the micrpphone this time. It was funny once, maybe twice, but its getting old dude." ( while waiting for Dirty Bird for 15 minutes ) Gang Member 4: "Sorry fellas, my wife just got home and is making me mow the lawn." Gang Leader: "Ok, no worries mate. Where the hell is Dirty Bird?" Dirty Bird: *veerrrppp* Gang Leader: "I swear I'm going to mute you on TS Dirty Bird if you keep doing that." Gang Member 1: "Finally. Can we get on with this? My girlfriend said she cook me dinner, but I have to go to the grocery first." Gang Leader: "Everyone ready?" Gang Members 1 and 2: "Ready!" Gang Member 3: "Hey guys! Check this out. New boob pictures of Lindsay Lohan! \o/" Gang Leader: "I'm not falling for that again. Last time you gave us a link to 60 year old grandmothers"
Dirty Bird: *verrrrpppp!*
Gang Leader: "Dirty Bird.... knock it off dude. I swear I... Theres a hulk!!!! Warp warp warp!!!" Random Gang Chatter: "Tee hee" and "Moar Tears!!"
PEW PEW PEW *pop*
Dehulked Miner: * SIGH * "You guys suck..."
Random Gang Chatter: "Give us Moar! Moar Tears!" and "You deserved it" and "You mad bro?"
Dirty Bird: * really wet sounding veeerrrpppp * Dirty Bird: .... Dirty Bird: "brb fellas, have to go to the bathroom" When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Horus Ernaga
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:44:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Horus Ernaga wrote: Act? No, probably not. Do you act in a game the way you think in RL? Definitely. For the guy who you told to "Cry moar" is indeed not standing in front of you, and with almost certainty never will. On the other hand if he was it might be something along the lines of "Sorry dude". Which isn't how you feel but the other option "could" endanger you.
Say that the next time some dickbag manager lays off half his staff during a hallmark production year while claiming "The Economy" just so he and his fellow stockholders can have a few percentage points more on their dividends. I do have to admit that I don't act in real life the same way I do in eve however. I can't fly spaceships you see. :(
What?
Anyway, we are speaking of personalities not ability. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7735
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:45:00 -
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GÇ£psychopathy refers not only to specific behavioral patterns but measurable cognitive, emotional, and neuropsychological differences.GÇ¥
GǪso no. Pick another one.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Gǣpsychopathy refers not only to specific behavioral patterns but measurable cognitive, emotional, and neuropsychological differences.Gǥ GǪso no. Pick another one.
"a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for the feelings of others and often the rules of society. Psychopaths have a lack of empathy and remorse, and have very shallow emotions."
Sounds like EVE to me. |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
169
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:52:00 -
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Horus Ernaga wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground. No, because those people clearly don't know the definition of one. Knus'lar wrote:For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life? Yes. Do you act in a game the way you think in RL? Definitely.
You might, but that's a no for me. |
EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:58:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:Tippia wrote:Gǣpsychopathy refers not only to specific behavioral patterns but measurable cognitive, emotional, and neuropsychological differences.Gǥ GǪso no. Pick another one. "a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for the feelings of others and often the rules of society. Psychopaths have a lack of empathy and remorse, and have very shallow emotions." Sounds like EVE to me.
Kinda sounds like King Cyberbully lol |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
38
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:06:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
People in the real world can be opportunistic, misanthropic, manipulative, vindictive, pragmatic, or materialistic. People can do the same in EVE.
Do I think they engage in the same behaviors? Yes, if you're talking about 'douchebag behaviors,' 'complacent behaviors,' 'risk averse behaviors,' and 'short term gratification behaviors,' I wouldn't be surprised if there was overlap. If you're talking about flying around in spaceships and pew-pewing people, I don't think anyone does that. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Ice Poljus
58
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:59:00 -
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im a null sec lone wolf pvper... im a sociopath probably... do i care? no i do not |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
118
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Posted - 2012.06.07 02:22:00 -
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I'm no psychologist and no, not even on the internet but wouldn't a sociopath struggle greatly to get past the eve noob stages. Being impulsive and lacking patience and all that. Or are people thinking of "movie sociopaths" |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.06.07 02:23:00 -
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Now to go browse webMD and wikipedia to self-diagnose yourself with Aspergers. |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.06.07 02:29:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:I'm no psychologist and no, not even on the internet but wouldn't a sociopath struggle greatly to get past the eve noob stages. Being impulsive and lacking patience and all that. Or are people thinking of "movie sociopaths"
People see gankers ganking in high-sec and they automatically think of this guy. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
402
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Posted - 2012.06.07 02:29:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote: Kinda sounds like King Cyberbully lol
I hope in twenty years we're all embarrassed for even using this term. |
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