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Lexii Lane
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.21 22:30:00 -
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I am noticing since the "unholy rage" the price of ice has actually risen to a comfortable level, not as valuable as regular ores, but still worth a look. I have noticed since the announcement that POS's will no longer affect sov control in null sec, that the number of buy orders has crashed, and the price is falling through the floor. Honestly who the hell wants to make 1 million an hour mining ice? Its rediculous.
Is CCP effectively killing a trade? Does anybody know if there is any plans for ice? If the POS's arent in such high demand, and the ice that fuels them isn't either, I would think CCP would give those who devoted so much time into ice harvesting a refund for skillpoints and time lost, because I think unless CCP has something special in mind for ice, we won't see anyone out there mining it save a few lonely macro's.
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Linia
Gallente Zaratha Zarati
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Posted - 2009.09.21 22:48:00 -
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ice mining in a decently fitted mack. in highsec makes atleast 5,7m, not 1 I see your point though
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Lexii Lane
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.21 22:52:00 -
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Not in my market right now, which is slipping again. Ice was being sold at 40,000 a unit here yesterday. It rebounded to 100,000 this afternoon, so after all intents and purposes, my mack(s) are full t-2 fit and I would make 3.5mill an hr for 3 characters. "Your work is like a self-portrait. Autograph it with excellence" |
Breaker77
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.21 23:18:00 -
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Not sure what type of ice you are mining, but blue ice is still around 120k to 130k a block in gallente space
Thats about 6 million an hour and there are still huge buy orders near those prices. It's worth even more if you refine it and sell it that way.
So until you can give us regions and ice types to verify what you are saying, it means nothing.
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Lexii Lane
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.21 23:21:00 -
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Im mining blue ice in everyshore. The market is dead. If any big ice traders want to get in and get a buy order in, would be a good investment. "Your work is like a self-portrait. Autograph it with excellence" |
Vasta Magna
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Posted - 2009.09.21 23:22:00 -
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Supply v. demand. The market is anticipating a lowered level of demand, prices drop. When enough people stop mining, supply will drop below demand, and the price will equalize again at whatever level people feel makes ice mining worthwhile.
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Polly Prissypantz
Dingleberry Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2009.09.22 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vasta Magna Supply v. demand. The market is anticipating a lowered level of demand, prices drop. When enough people stop mining, supply will drop below demand, and the price will equalize again at whatever level people feel makes ice mining worthwhile.
This. Given the amount of fuel stockpiles that need to get liquidated, I suspect it'll take a few months, however.
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz
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Posted - 2009.09.22 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lexii Lane in everyshore. The market is dead.
Fixed! You'll notice too that it's not just ice the quote applies to. -----
Originally by: kedoremos EVE's economy is **** for CPAs, Annuities, and Stock Brokers.
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.09.22 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lexii Lane in everyshore. The market is dead.
Originally by: SonO***host Fixed! You'll notice too that it's not just ice the quote applies to.
There's a market in Everyshore?!? It's not in the patch notes!!
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Lexii Lane
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.22 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Lexii Lane in everyshore. The market is dead.
Originally by: SonO***host Fixed! You'll notice too that it's not just ice the quote applies to.
There's a market in Everyshore?!? It's not in the patch notes!!
Hah :) "Your work is like a self-portrait. Autograph it with excellence" |
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.09.22 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lexii Lane Hah :)
All joking aside, Everyshore is a sluggish market. Every so many months I'll go there and disrupt it for giggles. Compare ice prices elsewhere and make the market livelier by competing. Upset the status quo. IN your case it is for more than just giggles.
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Gremrod
Minmatar DEEzNUTS-DzN Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2009.09.22 15:59:00 -
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Ice mining is still going to be a trade in the game. You have to remember that the POS since it is no longer needed for sov will still be in the game for industry. There are also the only place for you to anchor building arrays for titans and JBs.
But of course you are going to see a dip in the demand for ice since there is no need for alliances to spam systems any longer.
my 2 cents.
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Lexii Lane
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.23 23:26:00 -
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I appreciate the response to this thread by increased prices in everyshore. You guys are all wonderful people. Thank you. "Your work is like a self-portrait. Autograph it with excellence" |
Karanth
Gallente Independent Fleet Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.09.24 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gremrod Ice mining is still going to be a trade in the game. You have to remember that the POS since it is no longer needed for sov will still be in the game for industry. There are also the only place for you to anchor building arrays for titans and JBs.
But of course you are going to see a dip in the demand for ice since there is no need for alliances to spam systems any longer.
my 2 cents.
I have no real numbers, but I'm going to go out on a short limb here and suggest that the majority of isotopes are used for POS, not for cap ship jumping. It will also most likely make about 95% of the 0.0 towers redundant or pointless money-pits, and those won't be staying up.
I've been buying my isotopes in smaller volumes to try to reduce my losses from the crash I figure is coming, unless CCP finds something else to use isotopes in (maybe reaction adjustments or something I dunno).
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...
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Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2009.09.24 17:31:00 -
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well, the towers arent pointless they just need to be repurposed to proper defense platforms, and research outposts...
and he didnt say the isotopes were for the titans etc, he said they were still needed for POS's because you need POS's to build the cap ships
The question here to not kill the ice market, is the new items they are launching, the capture unit, and the other devices that you need to attack the sov stargates, maybe they will require fuel to run, or perhaps need something from ice to produce.... i havent been on sisi, and i'm not sure that CCP has decided this yet.
Also we've heard no word on the info on the capture marker, and disrupters on their BPO or BPC requirements....
Also Ice or it's refined features might be required for the "expansion/upgrade" mechanic, or even for the maintenance of systems under soverignty who knows really, has CCP really talked about this stuff yet no..
The fact is EVE is a real market, Dominion's not out yet, so its not a sudden lack of POS's thats crashing the ice markets, it's the sudden discontinuing of the alliances stockpiling of ice and its particulars that is interupting the market. But like every market, as miners react to this the supply will drop, and in some cases if it drops too quickly too fast it might actually spike prices.
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Karanth
Gallente Independent Fleet Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Helghast well, the towers arent pointless they just need to be repurposed to proper defense platforms, and research outposts...
and he didnt say the isotopes were for the titans etc, he said they were still needed for POS's because you need POS's to build the cap ships
The question here to not kill the ice market, is the new items they are launching, the capture unit, and the other devices that you need to attack the sov stargates, maybe they will require fuel to run, or perhaps need something from ice to produce.... i havent been on sisi, and i'm not sure that CCP has decided this yet.
Also we've heard no word on the info on the capture marker, and disrupters on their BPO or BPC requirements....
Also Ice or it's refined features might be required for the "expansion/upgrade" mechanic, or even for the maintenance of systems under soverignty who knows really, has CCP really talked about this stuff yet no..
The fact is EVE is a real market, Dominion's not out yet, so its not a sudden lack of POS's thats crashing the ice markets, it's the sudden discontinuing of the alliances stockpiling of ice and its particulars that is interupting the market. But like every market, as miners react to this the supply will drop, and in some cases if it drops too quickly too fast it might actually spike prices.
You don't need 30 or 40 towers per system to build Titans or dreads. You do for Sov right now, and won't in the future.
So far, none of the new Sov stuff will use anything aside from cash. No fuel of any sort. You pay a fee to the DED, and that cements it. Aside from demolishing the few POS people use for staging or industry, and attacking claim markers and the like, no fuel will be used.
Dropping a pile of ellipses isn't exactly a sterling argument.
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...
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qreepii
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:39:00 -
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When ice mining becomes too little to support you, switch to minerals or something else. Until the stockpiles run out and there's an actual demand for ice again. Sadly until these take effect ice mining will not be making much for the miners. Even afterword, regardless of anything we are looking at a major drop in POS Fuel Demands, there are a lot of systems out there poses burning isotopes away at 30+ moons. when that becomes 1 tower for a Jump Bridge, and 2 for CSAAs, well you see my point,. When it's all said and done, and the market has balanced itself out, I see isotopes being worth about 20% their current value.
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2009.09.25 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Rellik B00n on 25/09/2009 01:04:03 I imagine this responds nicely to the people that are perhaps not at the keyboard when they are mining ice:
I mean tbh is there REALLY someone in the game that thinks "oo id like to waste some of my life mining ice today"?
in terms of wasted training a t2 mack is only what? a week?
no biggie.
edit: a week in terms of "i have exhumers V for ore, now what?" as opposed to "I think id like to mine ice 23 hours a day." + LDS @ Bclnc
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McFly
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Posted - 2009.09.25 03:11:00 -
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SP Reimbursement will never happen, since has never happened in any other change. As far as CCP is concerned I'm sure they see the ICE Market as being overinflated due to POSes in their opinion were never meant to be what they have become which is a reoccuring theme in what they producers, designers and executives have been saying in interviews and etc.
It sucks, I mean if you really invested urself into ice mining like I have you will be losing your isk factory. But at the same time, it isn't too difficult to roll over an ice operation into a mineral operation, and perhaps some manufacturing.
Losing the easiest way to make safe isk in eve is definitly a blow to those pilots that aren't macros, and do a lot of mining while doing things like homework or research or watching tv, etc...
Though when you think about balance the other pilots of eve don't have the same easy isk, although missioning/salvage/ratting/plexing, would all produce much more isk/hour, while also requiring much more effort/hour.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.25 06:38:00 -
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A comment/question.
Apparently a Dev during this year Tournament has said that with Dominion all ice field in high sec will be removed.
I have not listened/looked the Tournament so I can't confirm or disprove this, but a second poster has confirmed that.
So any information about this change?
And any opinion on how much it will change what said before in this thread?
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quygen
Minmatar Acting Neutral
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Posted - 2009.09.25 09:23:00 -
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If there is no mechanic supporting it, there is no market for it.
So CCP didn't kill a market, because it isn't meant to be there in the first place. (POS spamming)
If it "isn't", it doesn't bleed.
If it doesn't bleed, you can't kill it
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Neon Delight
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Posted - 2009.09.25 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul A comment/question. Apparently a Dev during this year Tournament has said that with Dominion all ice field in high sec will be removed.
CCP has nuked ice fields in Empire before, so it wouldn't surprise me. It will make ice mining in 0.0 more profitable anyway and, if such a change is true, running an R&D POS in Empire gets a whole lot more expensive (unless, of course, you OMG live and play in 0.0 and can mine the best ice to keep your Empire R&D POS ticking along). Since the public slots on npc stations aren't likely to suddenly process 2 or 3 months of queued jobs overnight and open up, well, I guess that means lots of BPC's are about to get a whole lot pricier as POS owners pass the costs along when they sell their BPC's, which will affect some parts of the shipbuilding industry depending on which hulls and or components you need the bpc's for.
How's that for the "Butterfly Effect"?
Or I could strap on "Ye ol' Tin Foil Hat"(TM) and say, "LOOK, CCP is making Empire POS owners dependent on 0.0 for ice products... what swell guys...why not just move all the Veldspar out there while they are at it?"
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.09.26 00:12:00 -
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The devs have been talking for some time about removing all belts altogether, with ore/ice appearing in exploration deadspaces. I certainly hope this will be finally arriving in Dominion. [Aussie players: join channel ANZAC] |
Joe SMASH
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Posted - 2009.09.26 00:48:00 -
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Lexii, I see you a lot mining ice in the system I live in. I shall share a sooper sekret with you. Do not sell your Ice locally, move it to Deninard. That system is last hisec system before a lot of people jump into lowsec, where their POSes are.
Everyone else, do not hate me for giving away this tidbit of info to a fellow ice miner, even if she shows up yellow on my screen.
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Muestereate
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Posted - 2009.09.26 15:40:00 -
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I wonder if the Gallente ice in Everyshore might become particularly valuable with Dominion. Gallente towers have a silo bonus for moon mining. If they move the moon goo around, the ice to supply new moon mining operations should rise in demand. At the same time, the demand for defensive (Min) towers and their ice may shrink with the coming sov changes. Amarr ice could rise in demand, they have a smaller silo bonus. Caldari CPU is nice for research but I think it would take a while if ever for them to catch up unless the moon stuff gets so available that npc invention slots dry up. I think its a good time to hoard Gallente ice.
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