Another, "What I mine is free." post...

Oh god not this again. PLEASE don't start one of these stupid arguments. Can't you guys just let them be ignorant?

Maybe you should move to null sec. Or just continue with your bad posting, poor hypothetical scenarios and dumb conclusions. Whatever.

Wrong -
CCP made the game
YOU forced me to play this way so YOU are to blame

I only gave the POS example as a factual scenario and expected you to look at the entire picture. I then applied an unpleasant interaction (ganking) and asked, within the state of the environment we created, why are you doing this.

CCP makes the rules
CCP doesn't have a problem with it
Adapt to the rules.

What conclusion did I arrive at - I was only aware of asking questions

GÇ£Hi-sec ganking IS griefingGÇ¥


GǪyou know, the title of your OP? An OP punctuated by GǣThat is griefing...Gǥ

So instead of discussing subjective theory, let me express a scenario - as close to factual as possible.

I am an industrialist in game - I want to make money by making stuff and selling stuff. The "sandbox" allows this. To perform this I must have a way of making stuff and also making a profit so I can pay for plexes for my characters and purchase components to make into stuff. My preferred method of making stuff is by erecting a POS - a large one, a Minnie POS.
I need to sell my stuff to the masses and the most cost effective location is Jita - so where is the best place to erect my POS?
IN NULL_SEC OF COURSE.
Sadly not oh gentle reader - because it would not be profitable - and the cost of PLEXes is high so I must maximize my profits. So I put up my POS in hi-sec - fairly close to this major hub.
Now I need fuel to maintain this method of gameplay - where do I go to get this?
IN NULL_SEC OF COURSE.
Again - we are not on the same page - I need to get the ice in hi-sec because it is cost effective and I prefer to do it alone as I cannot afford to share it. So - a Metropolis ice bearing system gets the attention of my ice-miner.
And I get ganked ....

Because the situation has been created that means several variables (hi-sec, POS structures, fuel requirements, location of Jita, type of gameplay) I have no choice about where I go to optimize my profits.

So for the casual player, the one that does not like large groups or never feels the need to be hampered by sitting in or creating a supercap or station - why do I need null-sec?
And why do I need to be ganked?

In short ,YOU have created my dependency and now you want to punish me for it?
That is griefing...

Wrong -
CCP made the game
YOU forced me to play this way so YOU are to blame

I think WoW is even too hardcore for the OP. So let me help you Hello Kitty Online is that a way --> http://www.hellokittyonline.com/

Just try not to get "griefed" in there I heard they could be vicious by your standards.

I agree with the thread title to a point.

Suicide Ganking is fine when done in moderation, it basically is a random event and can be dealt with. However when it becomes the main type of gameplay in high sec and is constantly being done day after day to players who engage in a specific aspect of game content, it steps over the line into griefing and harassment. Plain and simple.

I agree with the thread title to a point.

Suicide Ganking is fine when done in moderation, it basically is a random event and can be dealt with. However when it becomes the main type of gameplay in high sec and is constantly being done day after day to players who engage in a specific aspect of game content, it steps over the line into griefing and harassment. Plain and simple.

As it is right now, I think it has stepped over the line due to being very easy to do and characters can quickly train for it. I believe the reason for the massive increase is players being able to exploite unbalanced game mechanics making it very easy to do. That allows players to create multiple alts specifically for ganking while the main character can scout targets and collect up the loot..When the alt get's too low on security status, create another alt. Probably able to do it just within the 2 week trial time.


DMC

I want to reply to this generally as there are some that have read one thing and think that meant something completely different.

When CCP made the game, as they have expressed on a number of occasions, it is a sandbox - ANYONE could have done and was allowed to do anything to shape the existence of the interaction. They made a HI-sec, lo-sec and null and said use them as you wish..

We formed Jita as a sales hub specifically 4.4 NOT CCP. We carted stuff there to sell there - not CCP. Null sec does NOT have these hubs because we have not made them - consequently we made the situation.
We then decided that we would use the areas as we do so we are to blame for how things have turned out.

I only gave the POS example as a factual scenario and expected you to look at the entire picture. I then applied an unpleasant interaction (ganking) and asked, within the state of the environment we created, why are you doing this.

There are a few that will realise this - the majority won't.

Eve - you live up to my expectation

In short ,YOU have created my dependency and now you want to punish me for it?
That is griefing...

I need to get the ice in hi-sec because it is cost effective and I prefer to do it alone