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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2012.06.07 09:43:00 -
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Threads like these should be considered as griefing. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
662
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Posted - 2012.06.07 09:54:00 -
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Klandi wrote:Wrong - CCP made the game YOU forced me to play this way so YOU are to blame
Welcome, to the sandbox *wavvy hands*
If you don't like this, there is the door *shows boot*
Honestly you come into a game that thrives on conflict and then you start to complain sometimes people shoot you... - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
baltec1
1349
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:00:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Frederick Sanger wrote:Maybe you should move to null sec. Or just continue with your bad posting, poor hypothetical scenarios and dumb conclusions. Whatever. lol all the usual countertrolls. Hi, Tippia
Tippia gains yet another alt |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
66
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:04:00 -
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Rico - your're a sweetie, taking up a collection for me and other "afflicted". Just transfer all of it to me and I will see that those that need it will get it.
Ptraci - let me address your issues directly I address the griefing issues surrounding the likes of hulkageddon - where it seems that because I play a certain way, I have restriction placed on how I do things - and I was also bringing into the dialogue how I did not create the situation. Profit and loss feature in my gameplay to the extent that I more or less rely on it to sub my characters.
I prefer to control my own destiny within the game rather than be part of a crowd and to log on and off when it doesn't impact essential operations or other people. I have experienced the joys of a null-sec corp and the truth is you need to be a group if you do anything industrial in null, solely because of the constant interruption from others wanting to kill you or camp your system. But having much better stuff means what? I still have to collect it, then I still have to sell it to get isk and where do I do that? Jita. Chances are that in the run to Jita my JF will get ganked and that is the end of 10-15bils worth of toil and ship.
I am a casual player - Eve does not cater for the casual player and I am not laying that at the feet of CCP - but the other players as you created the way it is. Take responsibility!!! I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
baltec1
1349
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:09:00 -
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Klandi wrote:
I am a casual player - Eve does not cater for the casual player and I am not laying that at the feet of CCP - but the other players as you created the way it is. Take responsibility!!!
I bet I am more casual than you and I get along just fine. I am doing the exact same thing as you yet I am thriving and expanding my business while you are here whining how hard it is. Your time would be better spent finding out what you are doing wrong and learning from it. |
Uinuva Karma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:10:00 -
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Klandi wrote:I am a casual player - Eve does not cater for the casual player and I am not laying that at the feet of CCP - but the other players as you created the way it is. Take responsibility!!!
Carebear Canned Argument #3 - "But I'm the only casual player and all the others play EVE 23/7 and get no sex therefore CCP needs to change a 9-year old game to cater to me only"
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Smegma Cheesedog
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:13:00 -
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Crazy Wonderbread woman is a bum hurt carebear. If she was my woman she would be feelin the back of my hand...
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Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
419
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:22:00 -
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I am a casual player. I make enough isk to support my casual play.
I loose ships but always make enough to replace them. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy African
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
519
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:24:00 -
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TL;DR Other players are interfering in MY sandbox. CCP you must ban these griefers. |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
66
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:39:00 -
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NO lexmana - other players CREATED the situation in the sandbox and I am dealing with it - just let me get on with it without ganking me!! I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
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Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:41:00 -
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Klandi wrote:NO lexmana - other players CREATED the situation in the sandbox and I am dealing with it - just let me get on with it without ganking me!!
Hmmm... why should you get special treatment?
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression Hedonistic Imperative
170
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:45:00 -
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you know that description of griefing you got from that other game that's not eve?
That doesn't apply here.
Griefing is something entirely different in eve. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
804
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:52:00 -
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Klandi wrote:NO lexmana - other players CREATED the situation in the sandbox and I am dealing with it - just let me get on with it without ganking me!! The situation you need to be dealing with is getting ganked.
I suggest you check out RubyPortio's fine posts listing some excellent ways of handling this situation(and, admittedly, a few not so excellent, but merely ok, ways) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:53:00 -
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OMGz Soylent Green is PEOPLE! |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
73
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Posted - 2012.06.07 11:12:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I agree with the thread title to a point.
Suicide Ganking is fine when done in moderation, it basically is a random event and can be dealt with. However when it becomes the main type of gameplay in high sec and is constantly being done day after day to players who engage in a specific aspect of game content, it steps over the line into griefing and harassment. Plain and simple.
DMC
You should probably come up with some facts and figures that you can back up with documented proof instead of making assumptions, jumping to conclusions and spreading lies, paranoia and mis information. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
520
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Posted - 2012.06.07 11:26:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Klandi wrote:NO lexmana - other players CREATED the situation in the sandbox and I am dealing with it - just let me get on with it without ganking me!! The situation you need to be dealing with is getting ganked. This. If you spent half the time trying to figure out a better strategy for your EVE project instead of meta-gaming the forums with whine I am sure you will make more ISK and be ganked less. And have more fun too by actually accepting the challenge EVE and its players presents you. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
479
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Posted - 2012.06.07 11:36:00 -
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Klandi wrote:In short ,YOU have created my dependency and now you want to punish me for it? That is griefing...
In short, you played in a big sandbox and don't want anyone else to go near your sandcastle? "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7753
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Posted - 2012.06.07 11:42:00 -
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Klandi wrote:NO lexmana - other players CREATED the situation in the sandbox and I am dealing with it - just let me get on with it without ganking me!! It rather sounds like you're not dealing with it. Why shouldn't they gank you? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
124
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Posted - 2012.06.07 12:13:00 -
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Klandi wrote:
I am a casual player - Eve does not cater for the casual player and I am not laying that at the feet of CCP - but the other players as you created the way it is. Take responsibility!!!
I'm a casual player too. Just being a casual player does not mean you can't adapt to the changes in the environment. The only thing being casual does is makes you less likely to be able to change the environment yourself on any significant level. Of course, most 'hard-core' players can't do that either, so the title of 'casual' can't be leaned on for any sort of excuse.
In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Aodha Khan
The Paratwa Ka
19
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Posted - 2012.06.07 12:36:00 -
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Another whining thread.... _____________________________________________________ Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken. |
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.06.07 12:41:00 -
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the sandbloobloobloobloobloox Follow me on twitter |
Sebroth
Svea Rike Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.06.07 13:18:00 -
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Every day countless of companies around our glob have to move, change thier buisiness ideas or in some other way adapt to the reality or they will be forced to shut down. Every company have to decide what risks they are willing to take. If the risk are to high and/or the profit to low they need to find or create whatever they need to survive. If a shipping company is getting owned by east african pirates they might need to find other ways to do thier business or accept their loss as a part of their cost to run that same business.
Adapt or die. Thats the rule we all live by in EvE. Just because I want to be left alone when I have my own little mining OP does it not mean I will be left alone. Not only do both hostiles and neutral blow me up, those pesky rats will do thier best as well.
What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same. If you are having a hard time making profit it's time for you to change you business plan. It's not the time for CCP to change thier game. Even if they did change thier game you would still find yourself in a bad situation as long you are not willig to adapt. We that do adapt will always be on top of people that don't.
/seb |
L Salander
Bite Me inc Exhale.
17
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Posted - 2012.06.07 13:20:00 -
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I never know if threads like these are parody/trolling or if there are actually people who really do tear-spam like this. |
Price Check Aisle3
83
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Posted - 2012.06.07 13:23:00 -
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L Salander wrote:I never know if threads like these are parody/trolling or if there are actually people who really do tear-spam like this. I usually operate under the assumption that OP is almost always a troll and everyone who agrees with OP is a whiny *****. |
Sebroth
Svea Rike Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2012.06.07 13:30:00 -
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oh BTW... I hope you did not post this thread with any account affiliated with your business... or you might actually soon get to know what greifing actually is in this game
not everyone in this game are nice people and some of the less nice ones might decide to that those 20 whatever jumps they need to do with thier destroyer might be worth thier time just to see some tears |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Perkone Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2012.06.07 13:38:00 -
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There just isn't anything worth the timeof day in this or just about any thread.
It's finally down to all the Usual Forum Failures uselessly flailing away at their keyboards in serch of an e-peen orgasm that will never actually ever arrive.
God, this game is dead.
Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
307
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:14:00 -
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Sebroth wrote:Every day countless of companies around our glob have to move, change thier buisiness ideas or in some other way adapt to the reality or they will be forced to shut down. Every company have to decide what risks they are willing to take. If the risk are to high and/or the profit to low they need to find or create whatever they need to survive. If a shipping company is getting owned by east african pirates they might need to find other ways to do thier business or accept their loss as a part of their cost to run that same business.
Adapt or die. Thats the rule we all live by in EvE. Just because I want to be left alone when I have my own little mining OP does it not mean I will be left alone. Not only do both hostiles and neutral blow me up, those pesky rats will do thier best as well.
What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same. If you are having a hard time making profit it's time for you to change you business plan. It's not the time for CCP to change thier game. Even if they did change thier game you would still find yourself in a bad situation as long you are not willig to adapt. We that do adapt will always be on top of people that don't.
/seb
This would be such a fine argument except that "griefing" is what these activities get called on the forums all the time, by the people who do them. The EULA forbids griefing but doesn't bother to tell new players or anybody else that there is almost nothing in the game that is "griefing", short of real life threats.
If all these activities are to balance the market, they are really doing a fine job, don't you think? One man's market balance is another man's market manipulation. The market is designed to be unbalanced. It's full of bottlenecks that can be exploited by players. This market is not free or open any more than the real world market is free or open. It's dominated by the big boys.
Oh holy sandbox, God forbid we should ever question it.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1188
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:23:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Sebroth wrote:Every day countless of companies around our glob have to move, change thier buisiness ideas or in some other way adapt to the reality or they will be forced to shut down. Every company have to decide what risks they are willing to take. If the risk are to high and/or the profit to low they need to find or create whatever they need to survive. If a shipping company is getting owned by east african pirates they might need to find other ways to do thier business or accept their loss as a part of their cost to run that same business.
Adapt or die. Thats the rule we all live by in EvE. Just because I want to be left alone when I have my own little mining OP does it not mean I will be left alone. Not only do both hostiles and neutral blow me up, those pesky rats will do thier best as well.
What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same. If you are having a hard time making profit it's time for you to change you business plan. It's not the time for CCP to change thier game. Even if they did change thier game you would still find yourself in a bad situation as long you are not willig to adapt. We that do adapt will always be on top of people that don't.
/seb This would be such a fine argument except that "griefing" is what these activities get called on the forums all the time, by the people who do them. The EULA forbids griefing but doesn't bother to tell new players or anybody else that there is almost nothing in the game that is "griefing", short of real life threats. If all these activities are to balance the market, they are really doing a fine job, don't you think? One man's market balance is another man's market manipulation. The market is designed to be unbalanced. It's full of bottlenecks that can be exploited by players. This market is not free or open any more than the real world market is free or open. It's dominated by the big boys. Oh holy sandbox, God forbid we should ever question it. Actually you can get warnings and even bans for briefing, it just isn't defined by CCP as blowing up hulks.
If I targetted a newish player specifically, for no real reason and with no real goal, that would probably be seen as griefing. Hulkageddon has goals, doesn't target new players and is rarely focussed on killing specific individuals.
Those individuals also have a course of action open to them to cease the griefing, should they choose to take it. Hence, it is not griefing.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Eyezpiddydafooh
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:37:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:Sebroth wrote:Every day countless of companies around our glob have to move, change thier buisiness ideas or in some other way adapt to the reality or they will be forced to shut down. Every company have to decide what risks they are willing to take. If the risk are to high and/or the profit to low they need to find or create whatever they need to survive. If a shipping company is getting owned by east african pirates they might need to find other ways to do thier business or accept their loss as a part of their cost to run that same business.
Adapt or die. Thats the rule we all live by in EvE. Just because I want to be left alone when I have my own little mining OP does it not mean I will be left alone. Not only do both hostiles and neutral blow me up, those pesky rats will do thier best as well.
What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same. If you are having a hard time making profit it's time for you to change you business plan. It's not the time for CCP to change thier game. Even if they did change thier game you would still find yourself in a bad situation as long you are not willig to adapt. We that do adapt will always be on top of people that don't.
/seb This would be such a fine argument except that "griefing" is what these activities get called on the forums all the time, by the people who do them. The EULA forbids griefing but doesn't bother to tell new players or anybody else that there is almost nothing in the game that is "griefing", short of real life threats. If all these activities are to balance the market, they are really doing a fine job, don't you think? One man's market balance is another man's market manipulation. The market is designed to be unbalanced. It's full of bottlenecks that can be exploited by players. This market is not free or open any more than the real world market is free or open. It's dominated by the big boys. Oh holy sandbox, God forbid we should ever question it. Actually you can get warnings and even bans for briefing, it just isn't defined by CCP as blowing up hulks. If I targetted a newish player specifically, for no real reason and with no real goal, that would probably be seen as griefing. Hulkageddon has goals, doesn't target new players and is rarely focussed on killing specific individuals. Those individuals also have a course of action open to them to cease the griefing, should they choose to take it. Hence, it is not griefing.
Oh so griefing is defined by choices now is it? Are you sure it doesn't have anything to do with repeatedly doing something just for the sake of causing "grief" on another player? |
Alice Saki
Analog Folk SRS.
93
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:07:00 -
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Wrong Post http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null |
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