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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:19:00 -
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Some of you may have been wondering what the status of COSMOS, EVE's social networking-like Web feature we've been working on is. CCP Caedmon's shares the release plan and more in his newest dev blog.
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Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:23:00 -
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First!
Yay for new mail system + labels
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Pyus
Galactic Trading and Development
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:24:00 -
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Status system will be very nice
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:32:00 -
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I wish I was 12 again and cared.
I also wish the real COSMOS would be polished/fixed/finished to some degree.
... both equally futile wishes.
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Jameroz
Echoes of Space
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:37:00 -
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Having to wait until next year for COSMOS I'm interested to hear what kind of API support we will get regarding all of this. If COSMOS will have the ability to send mails will the API get that support also?
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Karbowiak
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:41:00 -
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Aslong as you add a powerfull API behind Cosmos.
Like the ability to use the mail system from 3rd party sites. Personally iknow that my hosting stuff would improve greatly with such an ability. But Forums hosted by alliances themselves could also become much more integrated into EVE than it already is.
So - PLEASE add an API that can be accessed and used to recieve/send data.. PLEASE
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Ix Forres
Caldari Righteous Chaps
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:44:00 -
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Here's hoping we get APIs for all this.
Facebook for EVE doesn't really inspire confidence.
Is the intention of some of the features included in order to supersede or replace external API-driven corporate/alliance websites? Knowing how most alliances function in regards to their websites, I wouldn't bother- the majority of people will remain on external systems. Hence my hopes that we'll at least be given APIs supporting all this. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer Charactr (NEW) | EVE Metrics | I Tweet |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Novus Auctorita
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres Is the intention of some of the features included in order to supersede or replace external API-driven corporate/alliance websites? Knowing how most alliances function in regards to their websites, I wouldn't bother- the majority of people will remain on external systems. Hence my hopes that we'll at least be given APIs supporting all this.
Uhm... sure... I hope you never do any market survey for any product, cause your employers would be losing a _LOT_ of money.
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Ix Forres
Caldari Righteous Chaps
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Uhm... sure... I hope you never do any market survey for any product, cause your employers would be losing a _LOT_ of money.
OK, to explain this for those who _haven't_ been working with 0.0 alliance websites for the past 3 years...
The trust aspect is there. Most alliances have one server with everything on it and won't let anything outside of that server. The alliance then has total control of the security of that system (IP blocking and filtering, etc), can run whatever apps they want (vBulletin, phpBB, you name it- plus let's not forget VOIP, all large corporations and alliances are on Vent or TS2), and simply wouldn't have the desire or need for a CCP-provided solution.
There is of course a market for smaller to medium-sized corporations which may find this functionality useful. I'm just saying that they might be better off focusing their attention on features for this audience, whereas the blog sounded very much like they were aiming to replace alliance-tier systems. Which is, in my opinion, implausible. If you want an analogous situation, think businesses and higher education establishments using Google Apps or Windows Live for email. Most companies wouldn't dream of it, but smaller ones would as they may not have dedicated IT staff. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer Charactr (NEW) | EVE Metrics | I Tweet |
Muscaat
ASCENTIS CORPORATION Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:03:00 -
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Will there be IMAP access to EVE-mail? That'd be excellent ---------- EVE Markets - global price trends at your fingertips |
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:11:00 -
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ohh Snap!!!
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Gehnster
Gallente RED SUN RISING
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:11:00 -
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Why do you think this is aimed towards large groups just because they are in an alliance? I myself am in an alliance but we only have a few hundred members. Our forums are also crap so I welcome the new forums/etc.
I would also like to know if this will give developers more API functionality, will it have the same cache expire requirements as the current API?
I guess I bring this up because of the last couple weeks where the API has been down for days! I would this COSMOS would get more people hammering the servers in the day then before so how will you protect EVE from seeing performance hits when people are using COSMOS? If the API is down, will COSMOS be down?
What I DON'T want to see is applications using the API being pushed down in important because of COSMOS. I hope I'm making sense.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:16:00 -
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Woooooooooooot
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Excellent stuff.
One question though: Will we be able to (read-)access eve mail via a normal mail program, imap-style? That would be fantastic!
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 28/09/2009 16:22:40 CCP is great at slipping through delay announcements. Who would've guessed that COSMOS should've been out by now.
Though I think a proper game social network would be cool to have, eventually - I think your priorities are an insult to people who actually play the game.
Evemail and buddy systems may not be awesome, but look at it this way.. anybody not satisfied with communications in EVE is just going to set up voice and forums. For larger corps and alliances, its pretty much unavoidable. Communication and organization is the foundation of the Internet, its not exactly something for which people are starved of if you can't provide adequate service.
And at the same time, corporations rely on more than just communications. They need proper tools to control permissions, view ingame data and then act on it. No player can replace these systems with third party tools, and yet they've been ignored to a very large degree since Beta.
They've recieved updates for sure, but given how central and critical it is to the experience of nearly anyone who plays the game in a serious manner, you'd think it would get love in every expansion.
Putting all this effort into blogs, calendars, forums and friend-count-whoring is tacit admission and acceptance of the fact that many people are just socializing within the game and not really interacting through gameplay. I find that completely inane, because its more likely a person will keep coming back to EVE if the ingame world is compelling than if they have a whole bunch of pseudo-Facebook friends they've collected who are able to send offensive ascii art to their iPhone 24/7.
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teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:22:00 -
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When I can get a CCP supported eve-central? Screw this friend crap.
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Crylnish Hlar
Vultus Intentus Constructum Sons of RA
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Crylnish Hlar on 28/09/2009 16:34:49 Sounds like your heading in the right direction, shame the release schedule is so long but I guess we can't expect everything straight away.
I can see COSMOS being very successful provided groups, be that alliances, corps or just a loose bunch of players, are able to essentially create their own "webspaces" within COSMOS. If we can create a nice homepage, news bulletins, integrated calendar + mail system all with a forum bolted on and can fully customise the GUI (skins and layouts) that would be a good solid system - CCP basically host the existing websites. If COSMOS is going to be special it'll need a big overhaul of the existing API system + will need to aquire alot of the functions of the existing 3rd party applications, how it can do this without marginalising the perexisting services I'm unsure - I wouldn't want to see all that hard work wasted.
Features I'd like to see added in the long term (after the "early 2010" (Q1?) release):
- Shop fronts: think eBay stores for EVE - Ability to view ALL data externally - character sheet, wallet, journal, contracts etc etc - Full EVE Map with statistics: Colour by XXX etc - Integrated IM: talk to your corpies offline - Integrated Voice Coms: i.e. EVE Voice brought up to TS/Vent standards - Route planner: inculding a jump planner - Item Database: should be identical to the market, none of the existing disparity - LP Store Database
Of course everything I've listed is probably a nightmare to implement and we'll never receive half of it, but that doesn't mean the Devs shouldn't know that I want it.
One thing I don't want to see if full two-way access to the market, sure let me view regional data where I have characters logged in but don't let us change orders - 0.01 ISK wars anyone?
Also, if the service was picked up on by the majority of the community and "freindships" are publicly viewable then alts will be instantly spottable, with no freinds, and so the "social scams" (infiltrate corps etc) will be harder to pull off - whether thats a good or a bad thing I leave to the reader.
Edit: I'd like to voice my support for the privacy management system outlined in the Dev Blog - if it lives up to the outline it'd be a very powerful tool, but a few odd UI choices could cripple it - very much an area to be well thought out + not rushed out. Cyrl
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 28/09/2009 16:46:15
Got to say that COSMOS or whatever you want to call it comes under the "Nice to have but not essential" category for me as a player.
I think you're shooting yourselves in the foot with your advertising teams proclaiming "FREE 6-Monthly updates", yet realisticly it is better for you (and us) that you release stuff as and when it is ready rather than trying to squeeze it into 6 monthly cycles.
Yas, yas, SCRUM sprint methodology and all that... but really some things need more work than others, and it is more important you prioritise the "SWEET : Give us it ASAP" improvements and content rather than the "Nice to have but not essential".
As an example - The original COSMOS 2.0 has been sat on The Drawingboard for too long.
Edit: DigitalCommunist says it better TBH. Fixing/Improving in-game mechanics like corp roles should come WAY, way higher up your list of priorities than Facebook/Twitter (for ****s) in space.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:47:00 -
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First off.. No pics? WTF? :)
Second, I know fanfest starts soon, and we'll be flooded with info.
what I want to know is for folks like me with multiple accounts, can we MERGE all those accounts into one page..
Example.. I have 4 accounts atm(Had more, had less).
Each account has a main(Cap ships, PVP, PVP, Carebear). Then 8 cyno alts/executor alts.
Can I put them all into ONE page, so I can check the main page for info pertaining to all of them, or am I going to have to check each one to find out who's IMing/mailing/whatever me.
Second, to the detractors.. One thing that many of us in large 0.0 alliance's have experienced is hacking. Folks will hack another alliance's forums.
If CCP is hosting the forum for our corp/alliance, then they have the network security folks to monitor these intrusions, and even bring legal proceedings against them. Or at the very least ban their ****in accounts.
Second, to those saying that folks will not want to use CCP's forums in favour of their own.. I think you REALLY need to look at 0.0 corps/alliance's. I've been in ONE corp in the last 4 years that's REALLY used the api to tie into their forums, and use in game browser apps for corp info/security. Almost all the rest use simple PHP forums. And some of them are REALLY crappy at that.
I'm not a FaceSpace person at all, not by a LONG shot, but I WOULD use the Cosmos system simply because it ties into all the needed info.
I REALLY hope it has an integrated chat client for out of game <-> in game chatting.
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Cadde
Gallente FireworX
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:56:00 -
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I for one welcome this change, not only because it is feature rich and gives you more options but because anything that replaces the current mailing system in eve is a welcome change! Also, considering the amount of work that goes into setting up an alliance 3rd party forum and monitoring that outside the game making sure it's as secure as it can be and preventing important intel from leaking out I feel some alliances (apart from the already deeply established 2000+ member alliances and "elitist" alliances) will welcome this change as they simply cannot afford the time and costs associated with maintaining a web server. As most of us know, even the most security concerned alliance have massive leaks coming from their forums where a simple password gets misplaced or bashed, even something as simple as a non sanitized input or even a faulty sanitizer can lead to massive leakage of both passwords and access logs (lists all members private IP's) which can lead to mass confusion/destruction and even remote attacks on key persons in a fleet (DDos during a major op) which has happened before and will happen again when there is even a remote chance of it being made available to your enemy or those who want to see you die/fail or simply for their own personal gain. At the very least, if you use exploits and hacks to gain access to in-game items and data you are breaching the EULA and CCP can strike down on you if they can track you down.
Either way, any tool that exist in game that can serve a purpose for at least half of the eve population is a good one.
Also, a few questions i really need answered:
* Will we be able to send longer eve mails this time around so we wont have to split them up in parts 1 through 10? * Would it be possible to allow formatting your text in said mails? Like color, bold, italic and strikethrough/underscoring text? * What about links to items, locations and people. Can i now copy + paste them without having to mark each item and autolink them manually every time? Will it be possible to have an intelligent sensing system that can suggest autolinks when it recognizes them as players/items/locations.
Finally, a tad off topic but still valid.
* Will we at some point, be able to share bookmarks with eachother through links instead of manually having to be there or creating a copy of said bookmark.
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Czix
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Czix on 28/09/2009 17:22:37 What I want to know is: Will there at some point in all this "eve-away-from-eve" be an out-of-game access to the chat channels. I sometimes log on just to be able to talk to ppl, for example while working on something on my computer. Having to run a program that takes up pretty much all of my resources is not very practical.
edit: wrong character. Fix the damn forum settings, ccp! also: calendars, woot
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Slobodanka
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:20:00 -
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If you make facevebook out of this I'm going to be very mad and will write some really really bad words on this forum expressing my bad mood. The censored words!!! Just implement "normal" in game mail system and a calendar. That is all. Kids will still be able to look at each others pants on facebook.
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DeadTwin
Amarr Drunken Troublemakers Club
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:26:00 -
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FOR GODS SAKE MAKE DIFFERENT NAMES. eve already has to many homo-heteronyms
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:27:00 -
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Have a feeling this will go the way of ambulation... maybe next year when we've applied a bit more polish.
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Raul Corante
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Raul Corante on 28/09/2009 17:34:48 So, what will the current COSMOS stuff be renamed to? "Half-finished crap we're never going to fix?"
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Winters Chill
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:36:00 -
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You guys wasted you time with this one.
Since the majority of eve players would rather use the existing tools (the bio) to:-
a) show us a picture of two stick men having bum sex b) show us an ascii picture of the "one finger salute" c) tell us what rats do what damage d) rant homophobically or quote people ranting homophobically
If anything its going to be interesting to see how the present player base is gonna abuse this.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:42:00 -
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Can cosmos be used for bragging / showing off ? I don't mean it in a negative context, bragging rights are an important factor in online games. Many games let people show their ingame achievements out of game, for example on the forum. Examples are mylotro for lotro (which is going to be expanded even more in future), or avatar kills/stats/achievements on the WoW forum etc.
So will there be an option to share things like total skillpoints, number of kills, amount of isk in wallet, standings, types of ships one can fly etc. ? Something similar like in-eve.net or eve-sheet.com, just with more options and better ?
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Squizz Caphinator
First Flying Wing Inc Primary.
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:54:00 -
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Subject: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: - omg check this out!!!111!!!!
^^ If that ever happens in this new mail system, I'm so setting my CSPA to the max
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Freidrich Nietchize
Gallente Capitalist Pigs Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Freidrich Nietchize on 28/09/2009 18:23:06
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Can cosmos be used for bragging / showing off ? I don't mean it in a negative context, bragging rights are an important factor in online games. Many games let people show their ingame achievements out of game, for example on the forum. Examples are mylotro for lotro (which is going to be expanded even more in future), or avatar kills/stats/achievements on the WoW forum etc.
So will there be an option to share things like total skillpoints, number of kills, amount of isk in wallet, standings, types of ships one can fly etc. ? Something similar like in-eve.net or eve-sheet.com, just with more options and better ?
While this is a neat idea, bragging and showing off in Eve usually makes you a target. If you're sharing your wallet info, expect scammers to become really friendly really fast.
I think a lot of people have posted some good suggestions in this and the previous Cosmos thread. I also appreciate CCP stating a more realistic timeline instead of SoonÖ. Right now I don't see any real benefit in the tool myself, but I'm just a lone carebear. I do think that one of the hardest parts of a corp is probably trying to keep everything organized. I think this tool will go a long way to helping new and smaller corps tackle this problem. I don't think this tool will be of great benefit to the established corps who have custom tools that fit their needs. So my belief is that this tool was not meant to replace those existing systems. Though I'm sure there's a chance that CCP may try this. Personaly, I think it'll be interesting to see if CCP takes this as far as they've promised or if they'll cut it short due to "whatever_reason_is_convieniant" like so many other promised features.
One thing I've found is that while reprioritization is nice because you can re-align yourself to where you need to be, but if you're always doing it then you end up doing lots of projects only half-way and you never end up completing anything. We're excited about what you've promised, not the partial delivery that we will see in the inital release. ================================================ Ceiphied > Server-side dual-hamster support is supposed to be implemented about the same time we get the ability to walk in stations |
Eyrines
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:24:00 -
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well the roleplayers are gonna love it. As will all the kiddies that join when ambulation goes active. And all the corp recruiters who don't have to spam 'recruitment' 24/7. And the ISK spammers, who will join with cam-*****s to plague all inbox's for the rest of time.
hint: a nice link to the petition system is gonna be a must.
On the other hand, one integrated killboard and the crowing will never stop.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:29:00 -
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Speaking of mail, will we see the dawn of [email protected] email-to-evemail interaction?
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