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Amateratsu
Caldari The Pegasus Project
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Posted - 2009.10.05 20:25:00 -
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Lets say for example we have 10 players who have maxed out the drones catagory, the sp of those 10 players ranges between 30 and 40 million sp
Any other players who have also maxed out drones but have more than 40m sp will be locked out of the top 10 for that catagory.
Only lower sp players can enter the top rankings, and then only untill they pass the upper sp threshold at which point they will be locked out.
Whats needed is a method of sorting that can always be beaten by any player who puts in the time and effort, weather they are a high sp veteran or a low sp noob.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2009.10.05 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 05/10/2009 21:01:29
Originally by: Amateratsu Only lower sp players can enter the top rankings, and then only untill they pass the upper sp threshold at which point they will be locked out.
Locked out by new 'top' characters with less SP, not locked out by the original top. Sorting by least SP allows for more movement than sorting by most SP. In that once someone is maxed out and at the top, he'll stay there since there's no way to pass him in total SP if he continues to play. That effectively locks out everyone from the top and no amount of time/effort will change that.
Granted, sorting by least SP won't meet your criterion of "can always be beaten by any player who puts in the time and effort", but surely it's better than the current 'once-at-the-top-forever-at-the-top' system?
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Amateratsu
Caldari The Pegasus Project
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Posted - 2009.10.05 21:18:00 -
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Agreed its better than the current system as younger players will always have the oppotunity to reach a top ranking position.
Not so good for the older players who will gradually be pushed further and further down the rankings and will not be able to do anything about it.
I leave it upto Chribba to decide what he thinks is best á
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Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2009.10.05 22:18:00 -
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Next to the over all rank number, add the actual average score... Then you can actually see how far behind/ahead you are from the players next to you in rank. More competitive display of the data than just the raw rank :) . |
Viggen
Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.10.05 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
And full list rankings added, as well as sheet hits.
Awesome job :)
Now onto the next little niggle
The rank listings have many people showing as "Anonymous". Now I can appreciate some people not wanting there name shown, but if that is the case then why sign up in the first place? If they wish to remain Anonymous then surely "No data" should appear for them and they shouldnt appear in the rankings. The same as when your isk balance, or current skill training is hidden, then No Data is displayed.
The last thing we want is a top ten list full of "Anonymous", but that seems to be the way its heading atm.
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Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2009.10.06 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Viggen
The last thing we want is a top ten list full of "Anonymous", but that seems to be the way its heading atm.
Agree. When I saw that I would still get on the lists and stuff while being ranked globally I restricted my profile ... but when I noticed what Viggen is pointing out I took the restriction off.
I am also somewhat skeptical of having wallet info a part of the ranking (don't mind my wallet... always broke ... well at least until I buy those titan skills).
Considering how awesome this site is ... being placed at 1000 doesn't seem such a bad thing for people that are ranked lower than that. Which I guess will happen once you get considerably more than 1000 profiles on your site :) . |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.10.06 06:54:00 -
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I don't wish to have my sheet open to all, but I do want to see how I fare against others. Just because you're fine with others seeing your skills, doesn't mean those that are not should be left out.
I'm all for showing my name in a category, but at the same time, if it means they get to know my skill set, then no. If there can be found a way to allow the name only then sure, why not.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.06 07:10:00 -
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I will give the ranking some additional thought, using secondary sorting by the global rank is a good thing.
As for the anonymous part, yeah I would not like to see a top 10 of anonymous either - the reason it is like that right now is as stated by previous poster - that some wish to know how they rank amongst others - but without showing it off.
ofc displaying the name instead of anonymous - whilst still restricting the sheet is possible - however you'd still be able to make out what skillls/attributes/etc they have by finding them in the list and eg see they have max in drones - and by that way know they have full drone skills etc, that's the reason they show as anonymous atm.
For the time it will remain that way, but if the general direction is a list of 10 anonymous pilots, then I will add the option to either be ranked or not (while having a private sheet) and thus get rid of the anonymous entries.
On the global ranking score, I'm unsure if that would make a difference really as atm the scores varies by a lot and a lot can be done to change that score rapidly, eg throw in a 15 skill queue and update - that way maybe lowering your queue rank from 150 to 1 for 30 minutes.
However I will keep it in mind and see if there's any useful way of adding some sort of number to the display rank.
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Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2009.10.06 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba For the time it will remain that way, but if the general direction is a list of 10 anonymous pilots, then I will add the option to either be ranked or not (while having a private sheet) and thus get rid of the anonymous entries.
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Viggen
Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:38:00 -
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Sounds fair enough to me m8 :)
I have noticed since I bought up the anonymous thing that several have disappeared, whether thats from people showing their names now or being knocked of the top ten since then I dunno hehe.
Anyway, thanks for your quick responces Chribba and swift changes. I know you must be busy with the other sites you run and rl stuff etc. Your doing an awesome job.. may the space around you remain full of Veldspar for many more years to come. *salutes*
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Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2009.10.06 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ravenal on 06/10/2009 23:36:21 number of lvl 1-5 skills and skill points by lvl 1-5 is "almost" double counting the players that get high scores in either of those lists.
... its at least close enough, players only varying by a few ranks.
So the question is... do players that rank high on nr of skills really need another similar ranking in nr of skill points?
*edit* - should it be there average, secondary ranking by nr of skill points or? . |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.07 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Viggen Sounds fair enough to me m8 :)
I have noticed since I bought up the anonymous thing that several have disappeared, whether thats from people showing their names now or being knocked of the top ten since then I dunno hehe.
Anyway, thanks for your quick responces Chribba and swift changes. I know you must be busy with the other sites you run and rl stuff etc. Your doing an awesome job.. may the space around you remain full of Veldspar for many more years to come. *salutes*
Nothing has been changed to that as of yet, so must be more people or less private sheets.
Originally by: Ravenal Edited by: Ravenal on 06/10/2009 23:36:21 number of lvl 1-5 skills and skill points by lvl 1-5 is "almost" double counting the players that get high scores in either of those lists.
... its at least close enough, players only varying by a few ranks.
So the question is... do players that rank high on nr of skills really need another similar ranking in nr of skill points?
*edit* - should it be there average, secondary ranking by nr of skill points or?
That should change when I change the sorting to overall rank instead of most sp as secondary sorting.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.07 08:23:00 -
[73]
Love the site, the blueprint feature is something I haven't seen on one of these before. Also like the ship listing. Keep up the good work man!
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Mr Banker
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Banker on 07/10/2009 14:31:01 Looks great! :)
Bug report: if you select an option from "filter by skill level: all 0 1 2 3 4 5", and they have no results (eg, no skills at level 0), all the options to select another catagory go away - but if there are results, they don't :)
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Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2009.10.07 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba That should change when I change the sorting to overall rank instead of most sp as secondary sorting.
really? It's still a double count of the same "ranking" ... or close enough. I mean, I get ranked because I have lots of skills at lvl 1 which also means I am likely to be ranked high in skill points from lvl 1 skills (which I am too)
The reason for those two "different" groups is of course the different ranks of skills, so it might be easy to have lots of level 5 skills but not many skill points from those skills while another player might have few level 5 skills but lots of skill points. Very understandable distinction. At lower levels this difference is ... not easily distinguishable though.
... anyway, just an observation. I'm perfectly fine with keeping it the way it is ... better for my ranking anyway :) . |
Amateratsu
Caldari The Pegasus Project
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:30:00 -
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Your stats have jumped a bit Ravenal
9,728,000 in learning 186 million in lv5 skills 736 total skills 39.6 ap in perception
The list goes on...
You been Haxoring eveboard or something? Or bribing Chribba with lots of veldspar?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Amateratsu
Your stats have jumped a bit Ravenal
9,728,000 in learning 186 million in lv5 skills 736 total skills 39.6 ap in perception
The list goes on...
You been Haxoring eveboard or something? Or bribing Chribba with lots of veldspar?
? Temporary glitch or? Coz I see nothing of that (but I have made changes today that might have screwed up things until the db refreshes...)
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Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2009.10.07 21:09:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Amateratsu
Your stats have jumped a bit Ravenal
9,728,000 in learning 186 million in lv5 skills 736 total skills 39.6 ap in perception
The list goes on...
You been Haxoring eveboard or something? Or bribing Chribba with lots of veldspar?
eh what? ... i'd like those stats please yes :D
... but no, can't see how I can mess up the API like that?!? . |
Amateratsu
Caldari The Pegasus Project
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Posted - 2009.10.07 21:16:00 -
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lol must have been a tempory glitch, back to normal now:)
Or theres a conspiricy going which has been hastilly covered up á
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Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2009.10.07 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ravenal on 07/10/2009 22:51:06
Originally by: Amateratsu
lol must have been a tempory glitch, back to normal now:)
Or theres a conspiricy going which has been hastilly covered up
just finally some credit to the jack of all trades skill training \o/
... i'm just enjoying the sweet nr 1 life until chribba fixes the no data bug for not having any skills trained at x level. Expecting Tripoli to wipe the floor with the jack of all trades rankings when his no data categories clear up :) . |
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Amateratsu
Caldari The Pegasus Project
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Posted - 2009.10.08 08:23:00 -
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I can't see Tripoly Threatening your position any time soon as his training has revolved around obtaining all skills ingame and thus his raking in most of the catagorys is quite low.
It will more likely be someone new signing up to eveboard like IFly UWalk who appeared out of nowhere to knock me of my #3 spot.
Its surprising how much dropping just a couple ranks can effect your global position.
Still all good fun:)
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.08 09:49:00 -
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For your pleasure the ship listing has now been changed.
Originally by: Ravenal ... i'm just enjoying the sweet nr 1 life until chribba fixes the no data bug for not having any skills trained at x level. Expecting Tripoli to wipe the floor with the jack of all trades rankings when his no data categories clear up :)
That's fixed? If you got an example sheet pls link it so I understand the problem correctly.
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.08 11:01:00 -
[83]
it's all very cool, now I just need to find a way to bump myself.. ;-P -- 3 Titans Lottery
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:57:00 -
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there is a slight problem, I'm ranked 3rd in skills this should be =2
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Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2009.10.08 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ravenal on 08/10/2009 17:16:53
Originally by: Chribba That's fixed? If you got an example sheet pls link it so I understand the problem correctly.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Tripoli/ranks
+ Number of Level 1 skills Ranked - (no data)
+ Number of untrained skills Ranked - (no data)
+ Most SP by Lv1 skills Ranked - (no data)
instead of Ranked X (0)
*edit*... which when there are more than 1000 people signed up will be worse than the - (you said that no data categories were ranked as 1000 somewhere?) . |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.08 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 08/10/2009 17:26:53 @RaTTuS, you're being listed correctly from what I can see, the "highest sp" sorting was replaced with rank. So you're now ranked by most skills, then lowest rank.
The default is to add 1000 "points" to your score for a no-data entry. This doesn't affect the number of ppl (until I get more than 50,000 users as a default non-ranked pilot gets 50,000 in score when signing up - upon first "rank" view they will be ranked as everyone else).
edit/now I get what you mean, yeah that will be mixed up once I hit 1,000 users. Will give that some thought on how to best solve it - since giving them 50,000 penalty points isn't really nice as you'd end up in the back of the field instantly if you have a single no-data category.
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Larshe
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Posted - 2009.10.08 19:57:00 -
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How about ranking people based on the blueprint stuff? Would be sweet to see who can build/invent the most stuff...
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Cuisinar
Gallente The Circle
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:09:00 -
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Chribba, awsome work men.
I would like to suggest for those with multiple accounts, a login/pwrd much like in eve-files where we could manage all our chars/APIs ?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cuisinar Chribba, awsome work men.
I would like to suggest for those with multiple accounts, a login/pwrd much like in eve-files where we could manage all our chars/APIs ?
Idea is on the paper already, but unsure if it will be implemented right now, since really the only time you would log on to your [eb] char is when updating the settings or deleting it - and that most likely won't happen to often.
But either way, it's not forgotten nor denied, it's a matter of usefullness and implementatation trouble. Thanks
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: RaTTuS on 09/10/2009 11:44:53 what about a combined setting.. for your alts [on the same account] umm edit after time not actually sure on how this could work
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