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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:04:00 -
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... get a bonus to Webifiers? Isn't that mainly a PvP thing? No wonder you rarely see Kronii(?) but you see lots of the other Marauders. "I must break you." |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1751
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:08:00 -
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Blasters like it when you web a target to a standstill right next to you. Also, the Paladin has the same web bonus and the Vargur is the only Marauder which doesn't have a ewar bonus geared for damage application (Golem has TP instead of web bonus). |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
203
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:11:00 -
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Well, to be fair the Golem couldn't operate without Target Painters anyhow. It is just the Webifier bonuses I can't wrap my head around. Wouldn't a Falloff bonus be much better? "I must break you." |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
507
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:15:00 -
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You really can't complain that much about 90% webs. Only eight ships in the game have them. And you really can use them to hit frigates with large blasters (or even rails) if they get close. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
203
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:22:00 -
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I'm not really complaining as much as I am questioning their reasoning behind putting that bonus on a PvE ship. "I must break you." |
Alara IonStorm
2387
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:27:00 -
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Imagine a Paladin that got the 7.5% Range Bonus the Apoc got instead of webs.
Sigh. |
Beef Knuckleback
Pawnstars INC The Fendahlian Collective
7
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:29:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:I'm not really complaining as much as I am questioning their reasoning behind putting that bonus on a PvE ship.
Believe it or not, webs do have a practical use in PVE. Same as target painters, same as NOS.
Now, if it had a bonus to warp scrambling.... |
Liam Mirren
533
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:40:00 -
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Kronos is fine and the web allows you to fit 425 rails that can still nuke upclose targets, makes it a lot easier to deal with them.
[Kronos, lvl 4] Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
100MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script True Sansha Stasis Webifier Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Imperial Navy Heavy Nosferatu Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot]
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Garde II x3 Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
150
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:53:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:Kronos is fine and the web allows you to fit 425 rails that can still nuke upclose targets, makes it a lot easier to deal with them.
[Kronos, lvl 4] Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
100MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script True Sansha Stasis Webifier Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Imperial Navy Heavy Nosferatu Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot]
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Garde II x3
Yes. You should wait for rats to come into web range, then hit them with rails. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Liam Mirren
533
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Posted - 2012.06.07 19:11:00 -
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If you fight Serpentis that's generally gonna happen and with that web you're fine doing so meaning you don't have to jump through hoops to avoid it. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
810
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Posted - 2012.06.07 21:28:00 -
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I can understand it on the Kronos.
I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target. |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
44
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Posted - 2012.06.07 21:36:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I can understand it on the Kronos.
I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target.
In that case, the target is just not webbed enough.
Hey, Golems need 2-3 TPs.
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Liam Mirren
533
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:04:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I can understand it on the Kronos.
I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target.
Tachs with gleam, tracking comp and web will hit an orbiting omen at 10km for 300, without web you hit for 0. It's not that you plan your strategy for hitting upclose but rather that you become more versatile and can deal with upclose target in case it happens and perhaps you're in trouble tanking wise. Less hassle, more applied dps = faster/safer missions.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:17:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:I'm not really complaining as much as I am questioning their reasoning behind putting that bonus on a PvE ship.
Because it's not a pve ship, people pve with but doesn't mean it's a pve ship.
Tengu too was considered as a pve ship until some guys start kicking arses with ^^ brb |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
150
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:15:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:I'm not really complaining as much as I am questioning their reasoning behind putting that bonus on a PvE ship. Because it's not a pve ship, people pve with but doesn't mean it's a pve ship. Tengu too was considered as a pve ship until some guys start kicking arses with ^^
100mn ab is a cruiser mod?
According to CCP, marauders actually are pve ships. Can't be bothered to find the post. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
107
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:16:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I can understand it on the Kronos.
I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target.
You are doing something wrong. With pulse lasers and Imperial Navy MF, the Paladin murders everything within web range. Especially with a nice Federation Navy Stasis Webifier on there.
Webbing also helps your drones hit stuff. Spider drones cry when they get webbed down.
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
150
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:21:00 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:I can understand it on the Kronos.
I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target. You are doing something wrong. With pulse lasers and Imperial Navy MF, the Paladin murders everything within web range. Especially with a nice Federation Navy Stasis Webifier on there. Webbing also helps your drones hit stuff. Spider drones cry when they get webbed down.
Shouldn't they be dead before in pulse MF range? Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Kasutra
Tailor Company IMPERIAL LEGI0N
45
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:40:00 -
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As OMGAWESOME as a range, RoF or resist bonus would be on the Kronos, I don't really see it happening.
And aside from that, I can't think of a bonus that would be nicer/more appropriate to have on the boat than the web bonus (as has been said, 90% webs are really handy, even in PvE). Drone something maybe? That would be very Gallente.
Anyway, mostly fine as it is. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
97
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:48:00 -
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they used to be 99% webs.... god I miss my 15km 99% domi web :(
and back then I'd just ignore the frigs (and/or let my drones out on em) till they were the last thing and it was easy to instapop them with one shot. now its just fit more tracking comps. |
Elsa Nietchize
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:29:00 -
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I thought the standard kronos fit used 2x Tracking Computers which made the web pretty much useless.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
108
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:46:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:I can understand it on the Kronos.
I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target. You are doing something wrong. With pulse lasers and Imperial Navy MF, the Paladin murders everything within web range. Especially with a nice Federation Navy Stasis Webifier on there. Webbing also helps your drones hit stuff. Spider drones cry when they get webbed down. Shouldn't they be dead before in pulse MF range?
The depends on how many of them there are. I agree that for most missions a Tachyon Paladin can pop everything at range, but certain things you do in 0.0 will end up with lots of rats close to you (especially Drone anomalies). |
Dato Koppla
The Irken Armada
45
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:00:00 -
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But with a range bonus on the Paladin there'll be no reason to fit Tachs as you can push your MPL Scorch optimal to a pants wetting 80km. Far better tracking up close and I think IN MF will hit to 30km+ |
Crellion
Parental Control
23
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:21:00 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:sabre906 wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:I can understand it on the Kronos.
I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target. You are doing something wrong. With pulse lasers and Imperial Navy MF, the Paladin murders everything within web range. Especially with a nice Federation Navy Stasis Webifier on there. Webbing also helps your drones hit stuff. Spider drones cry when they get webbed down. Shouldn't they be dead before in pulse MF range? The depends on how many of them there are. I agree that for most missions a Tachyon Paladin can pop everything at range, but certain things you do in 0.0 will end up with lots of rats close to you (especially Drone anomalies).
and lvl5s and all angel missions and all those "angelBS and frigs with caldari cruisers" race missions and and and...
factoring in the awsomness of scorch megapulse > tach more often than not including the Paladin. Dunno about Nightmare as sole exception. |
Dato Koppla
The Irken Armada
45
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:48:00 -
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The 'Angel BS, w/Caldari Cruiser/Frig' is the Mercenaries faction. |
Liam Mirren
533
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:31:00 -
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Elsa Nietchize wrote:I thought the standard kronos fit used 2x Tracking Computers which made the web pretty much useless.
That's valid as well but I found that with Serpentis they tend to end up close before dying and you lose more time trying to gun down orbiting crap with 2 scripted TCs than with 1 and a 15km web (do get the 15km, not the fed navy 14. There's many Serp npc which orbit at 15). Generally you don't need the increases range from the 2nd TC either for those missions so it's fine that way.
Differs per mission ofcourse. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Julia Allrian
Ardent Industrial
6
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:56:00 -
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I usually have 2 Tracking comps on my Kronos, too.
But for missions against Angels the Dominiation Webber with bonuses comes in very handy. No matter if blasters or rails. |
Major Killz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:12:00 -
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I would think 90% stasis webifier strength would be a good thing for missioning. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:49:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:I'm not really complaining as much as I am questioning their reasoning behind putting that bonus on a PvE ship. Because it's not a pve ship, people pve with but doesn't mean it's a pve ship. Tengu too was considered as a pve ship until some guys start kicking arses with ^^ 100mn ab is a cruiser mod? According to CCP, marauders actually are pve ships. Can't be bothered to find the post.
You obviously never crossed a pvp blaster Khronos. And no, there's no pve ship in a pvp hardcore sandbox, there's only players and how they decide to use some stuff. Khronos problem is a matter of balance and worthwhile bonus, but all battleships are on the same row, CCP Ybertirum also stated lately those will probably get special attention.
You don't seem to understand the major issue to use marauders in pvp is their stupid sensor strength that makes them fragile to absolutely every thing including a 2 weeks old players with a multi jammer. This is the major problem you can have with it for pvp. Now I wouldn't bother using marauders instead of simple battleships for fleet battles, higher dps, higher tank/mobility, fittings, and my alliance would surely reimburse them at 100% even with faction mods, if only those were worthy versus basic battleships. brb |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:53:00 -
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Julia Allrian wrote:I usually have 2 Tracking comps on my Kronos, too.
But for missions against Angels the Dominiation Webber with bonuses comes in very handy. No matter if blasters or rails.
Use one Republic fleet tracking enhancer and if you use rails use T2 short range ammo (+25% tracking) you should be able to pop absolutely everything including frigs, of course using 2 fed navy or sancha webs imho is a much better investment than tracking computers. brb |
Idicious Lightbane
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:18:00 -
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I'm fairly certain short range t2 ammo has a 25% tracking penalty, not bonus.... |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
873
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:33:00 -
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the superior alternative to flying a marauder is to not fly one eh |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:40:00 -
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Idicious Lightbane wrote:I'm fairly certain short range t2 ammo has a 25% tracking penalty, not bonus....
Blasters yes, rails no.
And since the idea was about using rails, T2 short range ammo coupled with 2 faction webs is stil viable option and better imho for pve. brb |
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