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Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:25:00 -
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To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post. Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
769
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:26:00 -
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Why are you trying to inject real world politics into a game? |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
14
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:26:00 -
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That's what I call extreme role playing. |
Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:26:00 -
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It's mind-bendingly extreme, man. Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
467
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:27:00 -
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What the.... Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
233
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:27:00 -
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RP ftw |
Singoth
Kronos Fleet
63
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:28:00 -
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BECAUSE OF PONY. Less yappin', more zappin'! |
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs New Eden Research.
143
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:29:00 -
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So they don't have to move far to join the Occupy Jita events. |
Syndrea Caedrion
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:33:00 -
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Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
Please explain how you come to the conclusion that Caldari = liberals. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
469
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:35:00 -
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Syndrea Caedrion wrote:Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post. Please explain how you come to the conclusion that Caldari = liberals.
No Gallente = liberals, Caldari = Conservatives, hence he is asking why a liberal would choose Caldari Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
15
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:35:00 -
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Caldari =/= liberals. They are corporate oligarchies. That is the point of post. |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:35:00 -
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Amarr is the only conservative choice. |
Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:36:00 -
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Why do some "special" individuals think that whatever one chooses to do in this game = what youd do in real life..?
Its not like WoW has a bunch of loons running around screaming "YOU SADISTIC SOCIOPATH I BET YOU LIKE HURTING ELVES IN REAL LIFE TOO!"
So.. Why in EVE? I just dont get it.. |
Singoth
Kronos Fleet
63
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:37:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Its not like WoW has a bunch of loons running around screaming "YOU SADISTIC SOCIOPATH I BET YOU LIKE HURTING ELVES IN REAL LIFE TOO!"
One of the funniest things I've read today, because it's true Less yappin', more zappin'! |
Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:38:00 -
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okay so i was hoping it would be pretty obvious that this was a riff off of that other thread but i guess it wasn't obvious so i'm sticking this here to tell you
so yeah um yeah Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |
0ccupy 4-4
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:38:00 -
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People choose Caldari so when they come to a rally they can symbolically shed the "square" life before the drum circle and become one with their rosta roots as they reject the corporate meglogopy of their parents and be a true rebel star child. It's like meta-enlightened duude |
Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:40:00 -
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0ccupy 4-4 wrote:People choose Caldari so when they come to a rally they can symbolically shed the "square" life before the drum circle and become one with their rosta roots as they reject the corporate meglogopy of their parents and be a true rebel star child. It's like meta-enlightened duude
Okay, see, now that's a completely straighforward answer that's extremely helpful. Thank you. Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7762
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:41:00 -
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Do they? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Roisin Saoirse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
161
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:44:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Its not like WoW has a bunch of loons running around screaming "YOU SADISTIC SOCIOPATH I BET YOU LIKE HURTING ELVES IN REAL LIFE TOO!" I'd be tempted to bet there are tbh, some of those guys are weird. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
791
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:49:00 -
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face plam Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |
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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
15
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:51:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:face plam
somehow not as cool as napalm. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
469
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:51:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:face plam
face plam? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:54:00 -
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Roisin Saoirse wrote:Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Its not like WoW has a bunch of loons running around screaming "YOU SADISTIC SOCIOPATH I BET YOU LIKE HURTING ELVES IN REAL LIFE TOO!" I'd be tempted to bet there are tbh, some of those guys are weird. As weird as I find this roleplaying stuff to be, Im fairly sure these.. People.. Dont believe what theyre doing is how you live a real life, I mean every community has their special ones, but this one has some very loud ones, and they all seem to think theyre a shrink of sorts.. Its just weird. |
Magna Bellator
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.07 22:18:00 -
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I've only been playing for 2 weeks now, and after reading the characteristics of the races and storylines (i.e. Sansha and caldari races) and also statements from pirates during missions I did, I have found that there is a hidden message (or feeling) that Capitalism is bad socialism is good
since I pick up most of this game came from Europe (?), I can see this idealogy whether or not I/We agree with it. Now is this me injecting real world politics in the game? perhaps, but i think the story lines show that hidden layer from my interpretation.
And believe it or not, I play the game accordingly, and me being a hard working capitalist greed machine, avoids certian gaming realms. :) |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2012.06.07 22:51:00 -
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Magna Bellator wrote:I have found that there is a hidden message (or feeling) that Capitalism is bad socialism is good
That couldn't be more horribly incorrect. Even the liberal Gallente Federation could be seen as ultra-capitalist. You are BORN into a corporation. As soon as you join the game, you become another cog in the capitalist machine. You can never opt out of being in a corp. Be it a player corp, an NPC corp, or a one man corp, you will always be in a corp.
If that isn't promoting capitalism then I don't know what the hell is going on here.
Also, good is entirely opinion based. CCP did a good job making every empire faction sound good and evil at the same time.
Gallente Good: Provide humanitarian aid, respect human rights, respect liberty Bad: Hypocritical government (promotes liberty, but limits it at the same time), funds corrupt Minmatar warlords, nuked caldari prime from orbit
Caldari Good: Free market, everyone has a purpose, population is the happiest group in New Eden Bad: Essentially a facist government, Tibus Heth personality cult, only care about money
Amarr Good: Very charitable to the less fortunate, genuinely believe they are helping others, made huge contributions to science despite being fundamentalist. Bad: Slavery, royal family is too powerful for it's own good, conquerors
Minmatar Good: Freeing slaves, think with an open mind, strong determined people Bad: Support pirate activities if it means messing with the Amarr and Caldari, very unhappy population, standard of living is low
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Syndrea Caedrion
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.06.07 22:51:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Syndrea Caedrion wrote:Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post. Please explain how you come to the conclusion that Caldari = liberals. No Gallente = liberals, Caldari = Conservatives, hence he is asking why a liberal would choose Caldari
Forgive me, I wasn't clear enough. What I meant to say is where is the proof that liberals are playing Caldari toons? Or is this a purely theoretical thread based off of a game of number averages? |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
91
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Posted - 2012.06.07 22:54:00 -
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Liberals? You mean this conservative capitalists? What could they have in common with the Caldari?
Better question would be why do US people call their "liberals" republicans and their "socialists" liberals? And where the f.. are all the other sane parties who keep the system going and don't just trow sh.. at each other? Sometime I don't get you over there. |
Dirch Passer
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:05:00 -
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Morphite will corrode your mind, OP. |
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:06:00 -
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Nobody told me I have to be religious when I chose the Amarr in the char creation screen!
I knew I should have read the EULA for some reason.
" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "
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Magna Bellator
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:14:00 -
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We call our republicans conservative and our socialist liberal :)
U.S. Politics:
a waitor at a resturant doesn't want to work at all and is rude to guests And thus doesnt get tipped. A good waiter goes out of his way, nice to guests and is paid well in tips as a result.
Republican:
The good waitor waitor worked hard, deserved his good wages. The bad waitor didn't want to work, that was his decision to make.
liberal:
The good waitor has more money than the bad waitor, therefore the good waitor needs to give tbe bad waitor 50% of his wages so they are both equal
U.S. Politics in a nut shell :) |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1480
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:16:00 -
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YHBT |
Kukiri
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:20:00 -
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Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
Even Liberals like pretty girls and we Achura are the prettiest.
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Ishen Villone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:20:00 -
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Let me tell you guys how this internet spaceship game is like real life politics... |
Ische Qou
Ische Shipbuilding Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:20:00 -
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Why would someone over 170 cm play a dwarf? Why would a male play a female? Why would a ginger play a blonde with green hair? Why would a liberal ask such a nobrainr question? nowait...
btw I have real life slaves :D |
stoicfaux
1092
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:21:00 -
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Why can't the RP people stay on the RP server?
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
22
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:26:00 -
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Magna Bellator wrote:
U.S. Politics in a nut shell :)
Forgot to mention the good waiter is actually a corporation, and corporations are totally people. |
Widow Cain
20
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:27:00 -
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Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
Gotta love people who apply labels to other people.
OMG You are sooo pixel macho... |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1474
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:28:00 -
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Oddly enough, I'm not French in real life yet here I am role playing a Gallente. Strange world, innit?
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
407
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:29:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Roisin Saoirse wrote:Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Its not like WoW has a bunch of loons running around screaming "YOU SADISTIC SOCIOPATH I BET YOU LIKE HURTING ELVES IN REAL LIFE TOO!" I'd be tempted to bet there are tbh, some of those guys are weird. As weird as I find this roleplaying stuff to be, Im fairly sure these.. People.. Dont believe what theyre doing is how you live a real life, I mean every community has their special ones, but this one has some very loud ones, and they all seem to think theyre a shrink of sorts.. Its just weird.
Ever heard of Otherkin? |
Styx Sertan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:31:00 -
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Is RON PAUL 2012 Amarr or Gallente. I'm leaning towards gallente due to his predilection to french hands off stuff. |
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Absinthe Faery
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:31:00 -
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Why does 90% of this forum have no concept of irony? |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
173
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:34:00 -
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Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
I believe in true communism. Did I do it right? |
Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:43:00 -
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This thread just gets keeps getting better and better. Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |
holy bejesus
MASSIVELY IRONIC CORPORATION
14
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:01:00 -
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why do liberals try to pretend that socialists are different than national socialists?
why are the richest capitalists liberals?
cognitive disconnect. |
Magna Bellator
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:01:00 -
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I cant speak for others, i'm just sitting at work board and have nothing better to do :D |
Maledictum Aideron
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:13:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Magna Bellator wrote:
U.S. Politics in a nut shell :)
Forgot to mention the good waiter is actually a corporation, and corporations are totally people.
rofl
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
639
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:34:00 -
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Because people obviously always play themselves in role playing games. |
Svarek
38
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:36:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Because people obviously always play themselves in role playing games.
Great galloping gods of girth, she gets it. Please read the above post with facetiousness, sarcasm, and irony detectors activated. |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
111
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:37:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:That's what I call extreme role playing.
You look like you're drowning.
I do know that you knew that what makes you think that I didn't know that you knew what it was I know that you knew about me knowing that you knew that.
S "The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
139
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:37:00 -
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Be careful. I believe the OP is on Bath Salts... he may eventually try to eat your face. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
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Anikeran
Noctis Inc. The CodeX Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:47:00 -
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My little pony..... my little pony.... |
Raiykjab
Federal Navy Academy
17
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:03:00 -
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I KNOW I KNOW WHY! But you gotta sit first.
Quote from The Complete Miner's Guide by Halada
Quote:Your First Ship
The best mining ship for starters is without a doubt the Caldari Bantam. Take note that the Bantam is NOT the only capable mining frigate. The Gallente for example, have the Navitas. Each race has its mining frigate, so if you do not wish to cross-train for Caldari if you aren't Caldari already, you should go through the frigates' descriptions in the database to find the mining frigate of your race. Arguably though, the Caldari have the best mining cruiser (more later), so it makes sense to start with them.
BURN EM ALL! Eve has miners?! |
Acot Voth
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:03:00 -
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The same reason conservatives always get caught doing the very things they claim to oppose, the thrill of the naughty is just too much. |
Large Marg
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:12:00 -
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CCP Dev's was droppin acid that night they created Caldari race.
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Svarek
39
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:59:00 -
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Okay, by the way, I chose "liberal" because it was the easiest and most distinct opposite to draw to a faction to Eve - the Caldari. I didn't mean anything against anyone or any political stance in any way. People have been getting a little pissy about this. Yeah, it's politics. It was just the easiest and quickest thing to draw - "oh hey super right-wing industriofascists..." - though I thought that would be obvious. And it wasn't meant to line up to any super investigation of reasoning. Quick and dirty for a point.
Oh well. I guess what I mean to say is that if you're going to continue not getting the fact that this whole thread was made ironically (TM), just play nice, sheesh. Please read the above post with facetiousness, sarcasm, and irony detectors activated. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1253
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:06:00 -
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People will get it soon(tm). |
Svarek
39
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:09:00 -
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I put the TM there because I felt like I've been saying it far too much recently and had better make sure nobody appropriates such a valuable commodity from a murky soul like myself. Please read the above post with facetiousness, sarcasm, and irony detectors activated. |
stoicfaux
1093
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:50:00 -
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Svarek wrote: Oh well. I guess what I mean to say is that if you're going to continue not getting the fact that this whole thread was made ironically (TM), just play nice, sheesh.
Accusing people of being Role Players is not irony. It's a serious accusation that can, and has, lead to duels, deaths, and flame-wars.
You, sir, are the one who is acting like a spoiled Amarr child with your first slave. What you think of irony and humor comes across as a display of unbelievable callousness and disregard of human rights, not because you're evil, but because your sick, twisted society has failed to instill any concept of empathy towards your fellow man. Next, you'll be telling us that some of your best friends are NASCAR team owners as well?
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Svarek
39
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:15:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:You, sir, are the one who is acting like a spoiled Amarr child with your first slave. ----- Next, you'll be telling us that some of your best friends are NASCAR team owners as well?
Who do you think runs my alts, and what do you think pays for my PLEXes? I thought that was a given. I've won at life and now I'm moving on to Eve. Please read the above post with facetiousness, sarcasm, and irony detectors activated. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
372
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:22:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote: No Gallente = liberals[...]
Huh? The Gallente allow civilians to own assault weapons. Classical Liberals or Libertarians maybe, but not what liberals represent today, in EVE all those people are likely long dead.
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Lili Lu
257
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:33:00 -
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Svarek wrote:Okay, by the way, I chose "liberal" because it was the easiest and most distinct opposite to draw to a faction to Eve - the Caldari. I didn't mean anything against anyone or any political stance in any way. People have been getting a little pissy about this. Yeah, it's politics. It was just the easiest and quickest thing to draw - "oh hey super right-wing industriofascists..." - though I thought that would be obvious. And it wasn't meant to line up to any super investigation of reasoning. Quick and dirty for a point.
Oh well. I guess what I mean to say is that if you're going to continue not getting the fact that this whole thread was made ironically (TM), just play nice, sheesh. If your "irony" is really an attempt at satirizing another thread, you could have pointed at that other thread it with a link to it in the op. I have no idea what thread you are trying to spoof. We don't all read them all you see.
Also, in framing your op the way you did, you only invite posts like this gem from a fellow who appears to be severely addicted to faux news
holy bejesus wrote:why do liberals try to pretend that socialists are different than national socialists?
why are the richest capitalists liberals?
cognitive disconnect. And he didn't even get the psychological term right. |
Svarek
39
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:34:00 -
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Xorv wrote:THE L0CK wrote: No Gallente = liberals[...]
Huh? The Gallente allow civilians to own assault weapons. Classical Liberals or Libertarians maybe, but not what liberals represent today, in EVE all those people are likely long dead.
Yeah, the Gallente/Caldari are kind of like two evolutions of America or a lot of modern countries, as I see it. Gallente are more classical liberal or libertarian like you said, based on reducing government from its current (today's) state... whereas the Caldari are kind of a swing in the other direction, toward full-blow industrialization and integration in all levels of society, toward the free market and a blatant industrial-political complex.
It's not really so much left/right as it is up/down, as I see it - and what I mean by that is big government / small government. Roughly and approximately, anyway. Both are actually kind of left/right in several respects. (But Caldari are the most stereotypically "right," and hence why I chose them for the thread.)
My insights are probably limited, I haven't made a comprehensive study of this.
Lili Lu: Well, unfortunately, if you explain a joke, it's just rubbish. Though that is, I suppose, a better sort of rubbish than that. Lesson learned, I suppose. Each forum has its own peculiar dynamics (or even its own particular deficit of them). Please read the above post with facetiousness, sarcasm, and irony detectors activated. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
215
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:36:00 -
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Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
Are you thinking of someone in particular? .. I haven't noriced an abundance of liberal thinking coming from caldari. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Svarek
39
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:40:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post. Are you thinking of someone in particular? .. I haven't noriced an abundance of liberal thinking coming from caldari.
Okay, no, not at all.. That was a rephrasing or wordswap of: "it's weird that men choose female avatars etc etc"
which was based on another thread that had been killed to death and beyond much like this one.
Ishkabibble. Please read the above post with facetiousness, sarcasm, and irony detectors activated. |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
804
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:53:00 -
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I chose Caldari b/c they sounded bad-ass.
Gallente = hippys Minmitar = tribal Amarr = religious nuts
These caldari are all brutal corporatism, industry, and war?
Sign me up for that.
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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:25:00 -
[66] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Because people obviously always play themselves in role playing games.
Only when guys make female avatars for that purpose. |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:41:00 -
[67] - Quote
Svarek wrote:Okay, by the way, I chose "liberal" because it was the easiest and most distinct opposite to draw to a faction to Eve - the Caldari. I didn't mean anything against anyone or any political stance in any way. People have been getting a little pissy about this. Yeah, it's politics. It was just the easiest and quickest thing to draw - "oh hey super right-wing industriofascists..." - though I thought that would be obvious. And it wasn't meant to line up to any super investigation of reasoning. Quick and dirty for a point.
Oh well. I guess what I mean to say is that if you're going to continue not getting the fact that this whole thread was made ironically (TM), just play nice, sheesh.
The irony also is the assumptions you made. So you want people to respond to you in a semi serious way to a statement that you made which might not even be true at all. "Why do liberals choose to play Caldari race?" How would you know? Do you have any evidence to back up that statement? Or are you fishing hoping to snare some liberal that does play Caldari when you have no idea if your premiss has any merit to it? Ergo how can any persons input have any validity whatsoever. The whole thread is an exercise in absurdities. Then all you are going to get out of this thread is the party line thinking...beating a dead horse... Since nobody has come forword to defend their liberal position I think your original statement was all bunk anyway. Nothing new to see here carry on. |
Magna Bellator
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:23:00 -
[68] - Quote
Svarek wrote: ....
Yeah, the Gallente/Caldari are kind of like two evolutions of America or a lot of modern countries, as I see it. Gallente are more classical liberal or libertarian like you said, based on reducing government from its current (today's) state...
I thoguht Liberals were all about increasing goveernment :) |
Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:29:00 -
[69] - Quote
Talk Left, Live Right. |
Alice Saki
Analog Folk SRS.
98
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:56:00 -
[70] - Quote
Not Sure if Trolling or Simply just a Idiot http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null |
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Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:58:00 -
[71] - Quote
Magna Bellator wrote:Svarek wrote: ....
Yeah, the Gallente/Caldari are kind of like two evolutions of America or a lot of modern countries, as I see it. Gallente are more classical liberal or libertarian like you said, based on reducing government from its current (today's) state...
I thoguht Liberals were all about increasing goveernment :)
You, sir, get a gold star for passing your pop quiz on government.
Please present your forehead for the stapling procedure. |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:06:00 -
[72] - Quote
Frederick Sanger wrote:Amarr is the only conservative choice.
Amarr are the Christian RIght Caldari are the Fiscal Conservatives Gallente are Amarr/Caldari children who became Liberal Arts Majors and still live off their parents. Minmatar mow everyone's lawns.
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Xhaiden Ora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:20:00 -
[73] - Quote
Magna Bellator wrote:U.S. Politics in a nut shell :)
Congradulations! You have the political understanding of a 4 year old that just asked his dad what "Communist" means half way through the The O'Reilly Factor.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:30:00 -
[74] - Quote
nvm |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
47
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:37:00 -
[75] - Quote
Hello I choose Amarr because I am a slaver irl. True story. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
579
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:43:00 -
[76] - Quote
Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
They probably choose to play a race which is diametrically opposed to their real-life views. It's a form of outlet of their tensions and in doing this, they get a small "feel" for "the other side".
Just my 0.1 Isk worth. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Xhaiden Ora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:50:00 -
[77] - Quote
Protip: MMO players select a race based on aesthetics with a heavy bias towards characters that look like "normal" humans. Lore is a secondary factor if its even considered at all.
Caldari are very normal. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
580
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:57:00 -
[78] - Quote
Xhaiden Ora wrote:Protip: MMO players select a race based on aesthetics with a heavy bias towards characters that look like "normal" humans. Lore is a secondary factor if its even considered at all.
Caldari are very normal.
Then why are there no midgets ingame ? The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
367
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:02:00 -
[79] - Quote
I'm so not Libral, friends who heard me described as such would laugh
Tal
Does that mean all Minmater or greasy hobo's ?
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Major Killz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:49:00 -
[80] - Quote
It's a game. Also, if I wasn't Caldari. I'd be Minmatar or Khanid. Gallente are the worse race in this game. They've done many terrible things and have buttered it over. Caldari are not bullsh!ters and we don't care what your religion is and if you're a slave or not. As long as you fallow the rules, work and help the state by helping yourself. We all win. Let those frog, cheese eating losers sit around and talk about what their going to do. Cal auctually go out and do it and do it well. |
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Easthir Ravin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
30
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:58:00 -
[81] - Quote
Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
Greetings
Honestly, I am impressed that an EVE player can spell diametrically and use it correctly in a sentence. Well done sir!
vr East IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -á" I drank WHAT?!" |
Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
67
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:06:00 -
[82] - Quote
After reading the describtions of the 4 "groups" i saw, that they all have "good" and "bad" things. With having in mind, that no society is really homogeneous, i could imagine to be somehow "compliant" to the big things, but have personal different attitude in some things. Then i choosed the Caldari, because i was trying to archive the "best looking toon" for my taste.
And by the way: Caldari ships look good, i dislike the Gallente ones |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
201
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:24:00 -
[83] - Quote
I want to be able to roll pirate faction starter characters.
Sanshas character, hard wired into their ship, can't use the CQ. |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
98
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:40:00 -
[84] - Quote
I chose Caldari because i wanted to shield tank and shoot missiles, politics didn't enter into it. I'm a registered Independent. |
Magna Bellator
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:46:00 -
[85] - Quote
I'm an indipendent as well. Although i would probably join the Libertarians if I did have to choose. What race where they again? |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
309
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:23:00 -
[86] - Quote
Because the other factions are religious zealots, former slaves with junkheap ships (in appearance not in ability), and french, respectively.
No thanks. |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
74
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:21:00 -
[87] - Quote
Magna Bellator wrote:We call our republicans conservative and our socialist liberal :)
U.S. Politics:
a waitor at a resturant doesn't want to work at all and is rude to guests And thus doesnt get tipped. A good waiter goes out of his way, nice to guests and is paid well in tips as a result.
Republican:
The good waitor waitor worked hard, deserved his good wages. The bad waitor didn't want to work, that was his decision to make.
liberal:
The good waitor has more money than the bad waitor, therefore the good waitor needs to give tbe bad waitor 50% of his wages so they are both equal
U.S. Politics in a nut shell :)
I love the way americans use words without understanding them, especially 'liberal' as an insult intended to be aimed at the Democrat party. They don't seem to realise that a liberal believes in liberty, which is freedom. By the way, doing what a major corporation tells you to do is not 'freedom' or 'liberty', despite what your corporate funded politicians say. I'm also intrigued by their use of the word socialism, which they don't understand either and seem to equate to communism. Come to think of it, they don't seem to understand the concept of helping anyone other than themselves. This is apparent from both an individual and a national perspective. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1603
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:30:00 -
[88] - Quote
Points:
- The empires in this game have features and facets of various RL societies but try as I have, it's hard to pin down who in RL is what in this game. If CCP did that on purpose to prevent, say, Russians from all going Caldari and Americans all going Gallente, then they did a good job.
- I get called a liberal by fascistic neocons with whom I have dueled with at various GOP conventions, and I have socialist neolibs calling me a conservative in Seattle where I duel with them in public forums. Where have we seen liberals actually liberate or conservatives actually conserve? Useless labels.
- What would be called "liberal" in one country would be called "conservative" in another. In a game forum that crosses international lines, I don't think these labels are accurate.
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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:34:00 -
[89] - Quote
Probably the same reason people who don't work in the slave trade in real life pick Amarr, it's a game.
Although personally most of my characters are Min or Gal. I couldn't bring myself to roll an Amarr. |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
101
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:44:00 -
[90] - Quote
Hauling Hal wrote:Magna Bellator wrote:We call our republicans conservative and our socialist liberal :)
U.S. Politics:
a waitor at a resturant doesn't want to work at all and is rude to guests And thus doesnt get tipped. A good waiter goes out of his way, nice to guests and is paid well in tips as a result.
Republican:
The good waitor waitor worked hard, deserved his good wages. The bad waitor didn't want to work, that was his decision to make.
liberal:
The good waitor has more money than the bad waitor, therefore the good waitor needs to give tbe bad waitor 50% of his wages so they are both equal
U.S. Politics in a nut shell :) I love the way americans use words without understanding them, especially 'liberal' as an insult intended to be aimed at the Democrat party. They don't seem to realise that a liberal believes in liberty, which is freedom. By the way, doing what a major corporation tells you to do is not 'freedom' or 'liberty', despite what your corporate funded politicians say. I'm also intrigued by their use of the word socialism, which they don't understand either and seem to equate to communism. Come to think of it, they don't seem to understand the concept of helping anyone other than themselves. This is apparent from both an individual and a national perspective.
Actually the Dictionary has 6 different meanings for the word liberal the 6th listed being germaine to a political discussion
6
a: of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism bcapitalized: of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially: of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives
This translates in American politics to government programs designed to benefit people who need it. (i.e. bigger government) typically espoused as the Democrat parties core principle as opposed to the Republican party whose core principle is smaller government. Tax dollars are used on these programs that help those who need it so in a since it is a redistribution of wealth, an attribute of socialism. It really doesn't have anything to do with freedom in this context. Abraham Lincoln who emancipated the slaves in our country was a Republican. As for not understanding the concept of helping others, at 5 cents per capita the US gives more foreign aid per capita than any other country in the world. |
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Svarek
40
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:14:00 -
[91] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: - What would be called "liberal" in one country would be called "conservative" in another. In a game forum that crosses international lines, I don't think these labels are accurate.
Aye, perhaps not. I actually considered that, probably poorly, and thought about that fact another way. Honestly should have said hippies or something and made the point of the post more obvious and prevented people from being offended (regardless of whether "liberals" of whatever caliber play the game, hippies probably don't).
Oh well. I'm off my high horse by now and now I just wish I hadn't made this thread to begin with, regardless of whether people understood the facetious context or not. That tiny voice that tells you not to do stupid things kind of gets turned off when you play Eve. But my god do I mean that I'm sorry for this thread more than ever now. makes dumb posts |
Lili Lu
259
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:38:00 -
[92] - Quote
Svarek wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: - What would be called "liberal" in one country would be called "conservative" in another. In a game forum that crosses international lines, I don't think these labels are accurate. Aye, perhaps not. I actually considered that, probably poorly, and thought about that fact another way. Honestly should have said hippies or something and made the point of the post more obvious and prevented people from being offended (regardless of whether "liberals" of whatever caliber play the game, hippies probably don't). Oh well. I'm off my high horse by now and now I just wish I hadn't made this thread to begin with, regardless of whether people understood the facetious context or not. That tiny voice that tells you not to do stupid things kind of gets turned off when you play Eve. But my god do I mean that I'm sorry for this thread more than ever now. Yep, lesson learned. This is a wide open public role palying game about a place and time far removed from rl. You really don't want to give rl kooks that play it an opportunity to engage in an evengelical or partisan quest to convince fellow gamers of their rl political or religious views. What may seem to be a funny disjunction from your particular perspective and experience is best left discussed with those whom you already have a very good friendship in game (and even then . . .).
Best to keep rl politics out of the forums, corp chat, alliance chat, alliance forums, basically everywhere having to do with the game unless it is a subforum or chat channel specifically delineated as engaging in rl political discussions.
It is a rather old nugget of wisdom, that It is impolite to open the topics of religion and politics in a social setting. Eve is a social setting. Keep rl religion and politics out of the game. |
Dkamanus
Crimoria Co Vera Cruz Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:58:00 -
[93] - Quote
Why Caldari?
In the old character creator, they were the least butt ugle people in the universe xD
Also, nicest looking ships |
Magna Bellator
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:18:00 -
[94] - Quote
Hauling Hal wrote:Magna Bellator wrote:We call our republicans conservative and our socialist liberal :)
U.S. Politics:
a waitor at a resturant doesn't want to work at all and is rude to guests And thus doesnt get tipped. A good waiter goes out of his way, nice to guests and is paid well in tips as a result.
Republican:
The good waitor waitor worked hard, deserved his good wages. The bad waitor didn't want to work, that was his decision to make.
liberal:
The good waitor has more money than the bad waitor, therefore the good waitor needs to give tbe bad waitor 50% of his wages so they are both equal
U.S. Politics in a nut shell :) I love the way americans use words without understanding them, especially 'liberal' as an insult intended to be aimed at the Democrat party. They don't seem to realise that a liberal believes in liberty, which is freedom.
I'm not going to get in an argument over conservatives / constitution (libertrian party , republican party) vs. liberal / socialist / comunist belief (democrat party) but I would agree ours is backwards and I know that, and its due to u.s. History such as progressive movement in early 1900.
Now what you believe is up to you, I not going to argue who is right or wrong, just stating the belief differences.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
394
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:41:00 -
[95] - Quote
Because a true liberal--read: Everything your offensive and disgusting American propaganda teaches you a liberal is, but actually is the diametric opposite of--believes in meritocratic ideals that are applied equally to everyone.
The Caldari State is a meritocracy. Ergo sum...
[/RL politics-injection]
Next! In irae, veritas. |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
101
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:09:00 -
[96] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Because a true liberal--read: Everything your offensive and disgusting American propaganda teaches you a liberal is, but actually is the diametric opposite of--believes in meritocratic ideals that are applied equally to everyone.
The Caldari State is a meritocracy. Ergo sum...
[/RL politics-injection]
Next!
Funny that wasn't one of the 6 meanings listed in Websters. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
394
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:10:00 -
[97] - Quote
holy bejesus wrote:why do liberals try to pretend that socialists are different than national socialists?
why are the richest capitalists liberals?
cognitive disconnect.
Oh, for ****'s sakes...
Really?
Really???
My God, it actually exists
Do you even know what socialism actually is? Hint: It's not what Filth News tells you.
Do you even know what fascism actually is? Hint: It's not the same as what you're taught to believe liberalism actually is.
Do you even know what a cliche you actually are?
0/10.
Next! In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
394
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:14:00 -
[98] - Quote
Zyress wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Because a true liberal--read: Everything your offensive and disgusting American propaganda teaches you a liberal is, but actually is the diametric opposite of--believes in meritocratic ideals that are applied equally to everyone.
The Caldari State is a meritocracy. Ergo sum...
[/RL politics-injection]
Next! Funny that wasn't one of the 6 meanings listed in Websters.
Clue:
That's because most modern people's definition of liberalism--and most things socio-political--iis highly subjective, and has been changing a lot in the last 50-odd years. One can only go so far in objectively defining that.
In irae, veritas. |
Magna Bellator
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:17:00 -
[99] - Quote
Guess that all depends on what you mean by equally meritocratic :)
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
394
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:39:00 -
[100] - Quote
Magna Bellator wrote:Guess that all depends on what you mean by equally meritocratic :)
In that the State doesn't care where one is originally from, or what their background/race/colour/whatever is--a quite progressive outlook, don't you think--as long as they are willing to work hard for the benefit of the community (externalised as one's family, surrounding community, and ultimately one's megacorp.), and those who prove their merit through their own hard work will be rewarded.
Quite a good gestalt of a progressive "base" as regards how individuals are seen, mixing with traditionally "conservative" values vis-a-vis the broader community, don't you think?
Oh, and I think I'm not the only one who thinks the Caldari are totally bad-ass, and finds their lore/mythos compelling.
(The other three races--and I absolutely love Minmatar, just to be clear--are just a bit too obviously "stock," a bit too much a pastiche of old, old sci-fi tropes, if you see what I mean. The Caldari mythos is actually somewhat original. It's part of the reason why IC Tarryn is a Caldari sympathiser :))
That, and "FIER ZEE MISSULZ!!!111ONEONE1!"
In irae, veritas. |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
169
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:42:00 -
[101] - Quote
I remember why. The main reason was that ships used shields has main defense, follow by missiles weapons. I didn't know back then you could cross train If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Cutout Man
Archimedean Point
29
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:47:00 -
[102] - Quote
Why do conservatives play Minmatar? Conservatives are all racist, right? |
Magna Bellator
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:00:00 -
[103] - Quote
Terryn,
If you mean working hard and being rewarded for your accomplishments of where you came from orvwhat up bringing, then I absolutely agree with you :D
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stoicfaux
1095
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Posted - 2012.06.09 00:24:00 -
[104] - Quote
Cutout Man wrote:Why do conservatives play Minmatar? Conservatives are all racist, right? Honestly? It's because none of the Eve factions are a patriarchy. The Minmatar come closest with their tribal-esque society and politics, hence why some neo-con-fundie-traditional-judeo-christian-muslim-shiara-caste-polygamist peoples favor Minmatar despite the fact that Jesus/Moses/Mohammed/Buddha were all tall, pasty white Aryan blondes.
/because_no_one has_thrown_teh_war_on_women_into_the_mix_yet
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Trollin
72
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:29:00 -
[105] - Quote
caldari are fascists
also, liberal means different thing depending on where you live iirc . |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
8
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Posted - 2012.06.09 07:52:00 -
[106] - Quote
Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
The answer is the same as why peoples characters don't always reflect their race, age or even gender. These are our characters not ourselves, and this is especially true for those of us who have multiple characters and don't want them all to be the same.
I thought a friendly Gallente youth would be a fun character in this rather dark universe, but have a very wide variety of characters from other games, some who are very politically opposed to me. I feel that having a friendly character on Eve goes against the "everyone for themselves" backstabbing reputation that Eve has and I do like to go against the grain. Most of my truly psychotic genocidal characters are reserved for non-online games though, for logistic reasons. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
387
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Posted - 2012.06.09 07:54:00 -
[107] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:Because the other factions are religious zealots, former slaves with junkheap ships (in appearance not in ability), and french, respectively.
No thanks.
This, saved me typing it.
Tal
P.S GF is french hope she doesnt read this
Tal
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2453
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Posted - 2012.06.09 10:19:00 -
[108] - Quote
Let's have a day of good threads shall we?
Locked. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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