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Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:01:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:Only thing this survey shows is that CCP just isn't trying hard enough to nerf hisec and force players into low / null alliances.
At least that's how they'll interpret it. We can surely hope! |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:04:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Olleybear wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:
You do realize that 90% of the "Incoherant hatred" is just us making fun of people who see "Goon" next to the posting name and freak the **** out right?
Perhaps I still have brain damage from being in local with goons during the BoB wars and seeing the verbal onslaught that was local chat. That was like a billion years ago man. Mostly now it's just ****.
You know what they say about first impressions. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:05:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This argument is getting circular and I don't think either of you are going to get anywhere with it. Sure I will. He says they aren't necessarily scanning. I say they can at any time. Therefore, he isn't really hiding from any PVP. Therefore, since he can be subjected to it at any time, he's PVP'ing while he PVE's. It's that simple. He's PVP'ing in the same way that a cloaky alt PVP's in null without firing a shot. But he's still PVP'ing. If he refuses to accept that then he is denying a fundamental tenet of "Open-world Sandbox PVP." Mission running is also economic PVP, but that's another matter entirely. CAN isn't the same as ARE. This isn't about hiding. Not sure where you keep getting that from. Again, missions offer no protection from someone looking for you.
But they have to be looking for you.
A cloaky alt's presence in null is known and undesired, this leads people to change their behaviors. This has one player affecting another and is thus PvP.
A mission runner who isn't being pursued/scanned isn't PvP'ing because there is no one to PvP with as his resource isn't limited, nor does the quality of it diminish by having others do the same. If he isn't exchanging isk or loot with others to continue mission running and/or increase it's profitability he is not interacting with the population of the game UNTIL someone interacts with him. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
214
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:07:00 -
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AFK Hauler wrote:I thought they changed there name to SyFy... Never understood why.
that's easy, they changed nanes because they got tired of people beating them up for putting decidely un-scifi things on their channel... like pro-wrestling and horror. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:14:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Disregard That wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This argument is getting circular and I don't think either of you are going to get anywhere with it. Sure I will. He says they aren't necessarily scanning. I say they can at any time. Therefore, he isn't really hiding from any PVP. Therefore, since he can be subjected to it at any time, he's PVP'ing while he PVE's. It's that simple. He's PVP'ing in the same way that a cloaky alt PVP's in null without firing a shot. But he's still PVP'ing. If he refuses to accept that then he is denying a fundamental tenet of "Open-world Sandbox PVP." Mission running is also economic PVP, but that's another matter entirely. CAN isn't the same as ARE. This isn't about hiding. not sure where you keep getting that from. Again, missions offer no protection from someone looking for you. But they have to be looking for you. A cloaky alt's presence in null is known and undesired, this leads people to change their behaviors. This has one player affecting another and is thus PvP. A mission runner who isn't being pursued/scanned isn't PvP'ing because there is no one to PvP with as his resource isn't limited, nor does the quality of it diminish by having others do the same. If he isn't exchanging isk or loot with others to continue mission running and/or increase it's profitability he is not interacting with the population of the game UNTIL someone interacts with him.
By even potentially appearing on scan, according to Werner Heisenberg, the mission runner is interacting with the population of the game.
If it's a known fact that he can be PVP'd at any time. Schrodinger says he's PVP'ing and not PVP'ing simultaneously.
That's good enough for me. That is science. |
Yonis Kador
Transstellar Alchemy
133
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:15:00 -
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If a tree falls in the forest and there's no one around to see it......
is there still a forest?
YK |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
420
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:16:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
The rest of that success lies in the yearly Secret Santa.
My secret Santee got a pimped out faction fit Daredevil and a T2 Vagabond for when he lost the first item in a ball of fire! The previous year my Santee was BFM and I gave him interdictors! He turned out to be a creepy as hell and got kicked from the alliance. Welp ok! I was refering to the one on that outside forum. I've recieved some really strange **** the past few years & treasured all of it.
This guy is a goon guys, but not one of "The goonies"
Beware: we are also among you. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
420
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:17:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:I thought they changed there name to SyFy... Never understood why. that's easy, they changed nanes because they got tired of people beating them up for putting decidely un-scifi things on their channel... like pro-wrestling and horror.
Awaiting the History channel's rename to the "Hey Ya'll" channel. |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:17:00 -
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Yonis Kador wrote:If a tree falls in the forest and there's no one around to see it......
is there still a forest?
YK I loved this. |
Luis Graca
41
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:25:00 -
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EVE is only complex because you can die to PvPers other wise it would be really easy
Now to me the main problem of that survey is "Majority of EVE players have played EVE Online for more than 2 years with average account age being 3 years." because these are the next to stop playing the game and not only it's going to lack new players has we also don't know how many are alt's of these same players
CCP SUCKS |
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Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:31:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:EVE is only complex because you can die to PvPers other wise it would be really easy
Now to me the main problem of that survey is "Majority of EVE players have played EVE Online for more than 2 years with average account age being 3 years." because these are the next to stop playing the game and not only it's going to lack new players has we also don't know how many are alt's of these same players
It's called a Bell Curve.
Just because most players have a median average of 3 years in-game does not mean that there is no new growth.
WTF? |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
175
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:36:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
The rest of that success lies in the yearly Secret Santa.
My secret Santee got a pimped out faction fit Daredevil and a T2 Vagabond for when he lost the first item in a ball of fire! The previous year my Santee was BFM and I gave him interdictors! He turned out to be a creepy as hell and got kicked from the alliance. Welp ok! I was refering to the one on that outside forum. I've recieved some really strange **** the past few years & treasured all of it. This guy is a goon guys, but not one of "The goonies" Beware: we are also among you.
Why would you do such a thing? I was just posting here peacfully, minding my own business...
If you ask nicely I'll let you see the videos where I attempted to eat dog food. |
Luis Graca
41
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:38:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:Luis Graca wrote:EVE is only complex because you can die to PvPers other wise it would be really easy
Now to me the main problem of that survey is "Majority of EVE players have played EVE Online for more than 2 years with average account age being 3 years." because these are the next to stop playing the game and not only it's going to lack new players has we also don't know how many are alt's of these same players
It's called a Bell Curve. Just because most players have a median average of 3 years in-game does not mean that there is no new growth. WTF?
Have you seeing the link?????? because if you did have saw it you will notice what i'm talking
Hint: It's the 3-¬ graph CCP SUCKS |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
423
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:42:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Why would you do such a thing? I was just posting here peacfully, minding my own business...
If you ask nicely I'll let you see the videos where I attempted to eat dog food.
Wasn't that the thread where the guy was trying to bring his meal plan down to like cents on the dollar and was trying to find the optimum dogfood to eat?
Did you complete the mod challenge :V |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:43:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:Disregard That wrote:Luis Graca wrote:EVE is only complex because you can die to PvPers other wise it would be really easy
Now to me the main problem of that survey is "Majority of EVE players have played EVE Online for more than 2 years with average account age being 3 years." because these are the next to stop playing the game and not only it's going to lack new players has we also don't know how many are alt's of these same players
It's called a Bell Curve. Just because most players have a median average of 3 years in-game does not mean that there is no new growth. WTF? Have you seeing the link?????? because if you did have saw it you will notice what i'm talking Hint: It's the 3-¬ graph It really looks a lot like a Bell Curve to me. Possibly constrained irregularly around the median, but a Bell Curve just the same. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
423
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:43:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:Disregard That wrote:Luis Graca wrote:EVE is only complex because you can die to PvPers other wise it would be really easy
Now to me the main problem of that survey is "Majority of EVE players have played EVE Online for more than 2 years with average account age being 3 years." because these are the next to stop playing the game and not only it's going to lack new players has we also don't know how many are alt's of these same players
It's called a Bell Curve. Just because most players have a median average of 3 years in-game does not mean that there is no new growth. WTF? Have you seeing the link?????? because if you did have saw it you will notice what i'm talking Hint: It's the 3-¬ graph
Uh... that is a bell curve and it's pretty much the standard curve you should see for any healthy game's population once it hits the multi year mark. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1252
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:44:00 -
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So... Eve is a single player game which needs an Internet connect? Does this mean CCP made a better D3 10 years ago? Suck on that Blizzard... |
Luis Graca
41
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:45:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:So... Eve is a single player game which needs an Internet connect? Does this mean CCP made a better D3 10 years ago? Suck on that Blizzard...
Maybe they should change the name to EVE Offline
CCP SUCKS |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
175
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:48:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Why would you do such a thing? I was just posting here peacfully, minding my own business...
If you ask nicely I'll let you see the videos where I attempted to eat dog food.
Wasn't that the thread where the guy was trying to bring his meal plan down to like cents on the dollar and was trying to find the optimum dogfood to eat? Did you complete the mod challenge :V
Yes, that thread. OP completed his challenge but was beaten to it by several people. Watching all those videos was horrifying.
I did complete it, but I don't recommend Kangaroo & Rice for the curious. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
52
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:51:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote: Beware: we are also among you.
Obligitory cute cat picture. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
428
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:26:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Why would you do such a thing? I was just posting here peacfully, minding my own business...
If you ask nicely I'll let you see the videos where I attempted to eat dog food.
Wasn't that the thread where the guy was trying to bring his meal plan down to like cents on the dollar and was trying to find the optimum dogfood to eat? Did you complete the mod challenge :V Yes, that thread. OP completed his challenge but was beaten to it by several people. Watching all those videos was horrifying. I did complete it, but I don't recommend Kangaroo & Rice for the curious.
How is your coat though? Shiny and full? |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
175
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:30:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Why would you do such a thing? I was just posting here peacfully, minding my own business...
If you ask nicely I'll let you see the videos where I attempted to eat dog food.
Wasn't that the thread where the guy was trying to bring his meal plan down to like cents on the dollar and was trying to find the optimum dogfood to eat? Did you complete the mod challenge :V Yes, that thread. OP completed his challenge but was beaten to it by several people. Watching all those videos was horrifying. I did complete it, but I don't recommend Kangaroo & Rice for the curious. How is your coat though? Shiny and full?
Only if you're able to see past the clumps of **** & vomit. |
strikethree
Purple Passion Procurements
24
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:52:00 -
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Did you even LOOK at the charts that you just linked to? Seriously. Most of the charts look like random noise but look at the all-time chart and the trend is incredibly clear: The number of players online at the same time has been steadily decreasing from a high point about two years ago. I am not seeing what you are describing. Not even close.
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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
29
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:57:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:So... Eve is a single player game which needs an Internet connect? Does this mean CCP made a better D3 10 years ago? Suck on that Blizzard... Maybe they should change the name to EVE Offline
Why do people think solo players don't want to be surrounded by real people....we do, we just don't really want to talk to you! Playing MMO's is kinda like going for a Sunday drive. See and bee seen, maybe wave while we're passing by. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
362
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:37:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:I like how "exploration sci fi game" somehow equals entitled hisec bears
i didn't join eve for "pvp" either, that doesn't mean i support entitled carebear whining
I didn't join eve for any one thing, but that doesn't mean I support entitled whining about carebears whining
Tal
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Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:40:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:I like how "exploration sci fi game" somehow equals entitled hisec bears
i didn't join eve for "pvp" either, that doesn't mean i support entitled carebear whining I didn't join eve for any one thing, but that doesn't mean I support entitled whining about carebears whining Tal
I joined Eve for just one thing: PVP. But that doesn't mean I support entitled whining about not supporting entitled whiny carebears. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
363
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:49:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:I like how "exploration sci fi game" somehow equals entitled hisec bears
i didn't join eve for "pvp" either, that doesn't mean i support entitled carebear whining I didn't join eve for any one thing, but that doesn't mean I support entitled whining about carebears whining Tal I joined Eve for just one thing: PVP. But that doesn't mean I support entitled whining about not supporting entitled whiny carebears.
I joined eve... na we could go on for ever
Tal
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Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:51:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Disregard That wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:I like how "exploration sci fi game" somehow equals entitled hisec bears
i didn't join eve for "pvp" either, that doesn't mean i support entitled carebear whining I didn't join eve for any one thing, but that doesn't mean I support entitled whining about carebears whining Tal I joined Eve for just one thing: PVP. But that doesn't mean I support entitled whining about not supporting entitled whiny carebears. I joined eve... na we could go on for ever Tal I am glad we agree on that, then.
Besides, this gets messy in a few more rounds! |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:08:00 -
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Syndrea Caedrion wrote:MeBiatch wrote:this is the problem with ccp direction after incarna instead of making the game better for the majority who play it they are focused on nerfing the things we like and making the game better for the minority null sec players... sad really...
this is why the CSM are bad... I'm putting this more on CCP...sure, the CSM is going to flap their gums, but CCP is the one that institutes changes. They are clearly out of touch with what their game is and was. And the fact that a rather small group is dictating the course of the game for the majority is a very bad sign indeed. My co-worker who used to play came out and said that he'd give the game two years at most before it crashed and burned if it stays on the path it is on. I find it hard to argue with him. I did find it amusing that PvP was in the last third of that list though, behind some pretty funny things!
Obviously CCP is already way ahead of you. They would not have put out a player survey if they believed the forums represented an honest cross section of the EVE player base. The survey was an attempt to contact that part of EVE player base that is the silent majority.
I am thinking that if CCP was interested in increasing the player base of EVE that they would use what they learned from the survey. That is not a sure thing however as the EVE server has limits. Which they have been experimenting with lately as well. The tea leaves are on the wall if you are into reading between the lines. We might see a shift in how CCP makes changes to the game in light of all of the above.
Forum noise is just that noise. Sometimes the squeaky wheel does get the greese. In the past that was mostly how CCP operated. Perhaps things are about to change. |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:14:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Syndrea Caedrion wrote:MeBiatch wrote:this is the problem with ccp direction after incarna instead of making the game better for the majority who play it they are focused on nerfing the things we like and making the game better for the minority null sec players... sad really...
this is why the CSM are bad... I'm putting this more on CCP...sure, the CSM is going to flap their gums, but CCP is the one that institutes changes. They are clearly out of touch with what their game is and was. And the fact that a rather small group is dictating the course of the game for the majority is a very bad sign indeed. My co-worker who used to play came out and said that he'd give the game two years at most before it crashed and burned if it stays on the path it is on. I find it hard to argue with him. I did find it amusing that PvP was in the last third of that list though, behind some pretty funny things! Obviously CCP is already way ahead of you. They would not have put out a player survey if they believed the forums represented an honest cross section of the EVE player base. The survey was an attempt to contact that part of EVE player base that is the silent majority. I am thinking that if CCP was interested in increasing the player base of EVE that they would use what they learned from the survey. That is not a sure thing however as the EVE server has limits. Which they have been experimenting with lately as well. The tea leaves are on the wall if you are into reading between the lines. We might see a shift in how CCP makes changes to the game in light of all of the above. Forum noise is just that noise. Sometimes the squeaky wheel does get the greese. In the past that was mostly how CCP operated. Perhaps things are about to change.
Yeah, I bet CCP is just dying to cater to the magical 70% of Eve's players who don't even know that every activity they perform is in fact PVP.
I just know we're on the verge of a whole crop of new, innovative, easy-mode changes. |
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