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zxc Uisen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:44:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:Looking forward to the war dec changes in the next patch Inferno 1.Get owned Jade Constantine Well biggest alliance in the game needed CCP to protect them in a wardec against a 73 man alliance because they were getting owned by the Inferno ally system. Its a little piece of Eve history right there Kudos to you Jade for exploring the new war dec system and all of its implications. If, what you say is true then it would mean there really is a limit to player driven content - it would be not what you know, but who you know in CCP. I seriously hope Goons do not have a hotline to the CCP WHAAAAAAmbulance. At this point I'm unsure whether to be sad or just grab my tinfoil hat.
i doubt they have much direct efffect on ccp's decisions (from former goons now devs, as some ppl said) but they do have a lot of presence on forums (goons&friends), and access to csm |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3349
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:53:00 -
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zxc Uisen wrote: i'll say it so there's no misunderstanding: goons had a game feature go against them, ccp "fixed" it, the way they saw fit (loudest voices got their way), and now you're saving face by changing the message to "ccp fixes broken mechanic".
except ccp has repeatedly confirmed that not only did goonswarm not complain but this change started getting worked on even before jade started trying to pull this exploit
soz mate you've gotten 0wned by the facts better luck next time |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3349
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:56:00 -
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more to the point nobody seems to be able to point to any actual "crying"
they can point to relentless laughing at jade and pretend that's crying but nobody but jade believes it
soz m8 |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2163
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:58:00 -
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I think you need to take your damage control sideshow over to Eve News 24 weasalor. Quite an amusing new blog by Jester.
Your guys are taking a hellova PR kicking over this one
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
zxc Uisen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:10:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:zxc Uisen wrote: i'll say it so there's no misunderstanding: goons had a game feature go against them, ccp "fixed" it, the way they saw fit (loudest voices got their way), and now you're saving face by changing the message to "ccp fixes broken mechanic".
except ccp has repeatedly confirmed that not only did goonswarm not complain but this change started getting worked on even before jade started trying to pull this exploit soz mate you've gotten 0wned by the facts better luck next time
if you bothered to read the quote, it explains that ccp's perception of the problem (that attackers are too vulnerable to defenders with the current ally system) is crooked, when in fact it promotes a tough fight for the attacker (you claim to want gudfites).
it's all to avoid risk, which you, as self-hating closet carebears want to do...
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3351
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:42:00 -
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zxc Uisen wrote:(you claim to want gudfites).
no we don't we want to make people suffer not honourably joust on the field of battle |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3351
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:42:00 -
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ahahahahahaha
you're precious
"en24 publishes something bad about goons, i guess it's a weekday" |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3351
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:45:00 -
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riverini is still a little bitter we torpedoed his campaign so hard he lost when even issler made it on |
zxc Uisen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:49:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:zxc Uisen wrote:(you claim to want gudfites).
no we don't we want to make people suffer not honourably joust on the field of battle
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1470317#post1470317 ^ my bad, misread that |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
895
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:56:00 -
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Yes you did, Weaselior talked about shooting people. This can be one-sided. See: executions
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
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Crazey Monkey
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
0
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:12:00 -
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Jones Bones wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: This way with the eternal war option they cannot divest themselves of the wardec and will have to put up with heroic guerilla actions blowing up their ships and forcing pvp rather than pure ganking.
Ask the random high sec war deccers how that worked out for them in Jita. http://noirmercs.com/killboard/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=204&view=kills
Even though Im not a usually high sec war deccer, it worked out very nice for everyone involved. Oh and before you say we whored on a bunch of concord kills, look at a few pages and note the final blows. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3352
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:14:00 -
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the more people we can shoot, the better: a goon in highsec is going to be doing one of two things:
1)being an idiot and asking to die, by hauling stuff 2)trying to find people to murder
the more people that are blinky red the easier time guy #2 has. Guy #1 deserves to lose his **** and will (goonswarm has always been wardecced nearly constantly by hub gankers, because there's so many goons and we live in 0.0 nearly all the time so many people do stupid things like move cargo with a wardec) |
zxc Uisen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:23:00 -
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i find it funny that goons like to grief carebears, all the while griefer tears are the sweetest of all |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3352
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:24:00 -
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i prefer phoenix tears myself but while we're in the world of things that exist, it's miner tears all the way baby |
zxc Uisen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:28:00 -
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you should put some failed gank in those tears, explosive mix! (more rare though) |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:58:00 -
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You know, being as I am not a particularly bright man, nor in good favor with God or his followers, nor particularly success, it's not often that I can feel brilliant, righteous, or superior. So let me thank you, Jade, for creating this thread and carrying on. |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.06.14 00:10:00 -
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zxc Uisen wrote: It's interesting, because you guys didn't wardec the "bigger" highsec alliances, or those most likely to actually fight you... Most people you've "decced" in highsec are probably allies of defendors (but don't quote me)
I'm quoting you.
We can already shoot these people in 0.0. What's the point of wardeccing them?
Wardeccing Jade Constantine has one very useful effect: we can shoot Jade Constantine, in high sec, where he lives. He also goes to low sec, so the wardec adds some marginal utility to let us shoot him there without dealing with gate guns, I guess.
Wardeccing GSF lets you shoot us in high sec. Or you could come to Deklein and do that for free - we aim to please! |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.06.14 00:13:00 -
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Weaselior wrote: 1)being an idiot and asking to die, by hauling stuff 2)trying to find people to murder
the more people that are blinky red the easier time guy #2 has. Guy #1 deserves to lose his **** and will (goonswarm has always been wardecced nearly constantly by hub gankers, because there's so many goons and we live in 0.0 nearly all the time so many people do stupid things like move cargo with a wardec)
Due to the wonderful wardec history UI developed by CCP Punkturis, you can check Goonswarm's War history to see the veracity of this statement. I'm not on a computer that has an EVE client at the moment, otherwise I'd link screenshots to show this/ |
Ryoken McKeon
Obstergo TEMNAVA
10
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Posted - 2012.06.14 00:43:00 -
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Anyone who thinks Goonswarm wouldn't love to have a huge unending war with half of EVE doesn't understand goons. |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.06.14 01:08:00 -
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Honestly we're pretty agnostic about the wardec change - most of these people will find a way to be at war with us if they want to, and dumb goons will go to high sec and die to them, this is a constant of EVE.
Jade Constantine's posting, on the other hand, is a win/win scenario - if he continues to rage about how some conspiracy exists to sabotage his grand plan, it's good light reading, and if he stops posting, that's also good. It's only a loss for us if he puts forth a reasoned, well constructed argument about how he can endanger the sovereign state of Deklein, our outposts in from Fountain to Tenal, and our Tech moon and tax financial baseline, and then actually does it.
If you want basic information on how to put together a null sec power bloc, I'd be happy to talk. Somehow, I doubt that is the aim - Jade Constantine seems to have a perfectly active KB in factional warfare, and has openly stated he's against the organizational structures and logistical practicalities it would take to be a player in 0.0.
If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. I've been doing my level best to stick to facts (even if they're occasionally off topic.) |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2189
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Posted - 2012.06.14 01:11:00 -
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Ryoken McKeon wrote:Anyone who thinks Goonswarm wouldn't love to have a huge unending war with half of EVE doesn't understand goons. If I had to guess, the decision to do the right thing for mercenary corps was a painful one.
Thats certainly the propaganda they put out - its not true in the slightest. Else why do they have the biggest NAP train in 0.0 ? That is not a decision designed to get more targets. Similar deal in hisec wars - they want to control the declaration and throw their numbers at selective "grief-targets" - they were fine when this was happening and only started yelping and begging for intervention when they were fed to their own machine.
This mythology that goons want more targets is simply bunkum.
Star Fraction has a longer red list than the goons.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Ryoken McKeon
Obstergo TEMNAVA
10
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Posted - 2012.06.14 01:13:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Ryoken McKeon wrote:Anyone who thinks Goonswarm wouldn't love to have a huge unending war with half of EVE doesn't understand goons. If I had to guess, the decision to do the right thing for mercenary corps was a painful one. Thats certainly the propaganda they put out - its not true in the slightest. Else why do they have the biggest NAP train in 0.0 ? That is not a decision designed to get more targets. Similar deal in hisec wars - they want to control the declaration and throw their numbers at selective "grief-targets" - they were fine when this was happening and only started yelping and begging for intervention when they were fed to their own machine. This mythology that goons want more targets is simply bunkum. Star Fraction has a longer red list than the goons.
As a member of SA who has no allegiance to GS in this game, I can tell you that you just don't know what you're talking about. I don't care about sides, this isn't propaganda or spin, you just don't get it cat. |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.06.14 01:14:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Star Fraction has a longer red list than the goons.
Not Blue Shoot It.
Deklein gets fairly regular 40 man gangs rolling through it. Occasionally they all start shooting each other in VFK, as they aren't even blue either.
edit: technically we're IBSATVR (Is Blue Shoot Anyway Tell Vile Rat) |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
898
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Posted - 2012.06.14 01:28:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Ryoken McKeon wrote:Anyone who thinks Goonswarm wouldn't love to have a huge unending war with half of EVE doesn't understand goons. If I had to guess, the decision to do the right thing for mercenary corps was a painful one. Thats certainly the propaganda they put out - its not true in the slightest. Else why do they have the biggest NAP train in 0.0 ? That is not a decision designed to get more targets. Similar deal in hisec wars - they want to control the declaration and throw their numbers at selective "grief-targets" - they were fine when this was happening and only started yelping and begging for intervention when they were fed to their own machine. This mythology that goons want more targets is simply bunkum. Star Fraction has a longer red list than the goons.
Set more 2 man corps red.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
653
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Posted - 2012.06.14 02:17:00 -
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The part that annoys the hell out of me is that Jade credits GSF for recently announced changes that are actually the result of a huge wave of outcry from pretty much every single person who lives in highsec and has ever declared a war. Every single mercenary and griefer in highsec was complaining about the ally system before it was even released and Alekseyev Krrade; a CSM member who represents one of the most well established mercenary outfits in EVE made a point to jam these problems as far down the collective throat of CCP as much as he possibly can.
The "NO GOONS DID IT" spiel is the absolute height of baseless tinfoil-hattery. It's utterly moronic and doesn't pass even the most basic of scrutiny. |
Servitor 001
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:21:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:*posts a way to exploit game mechanics on eve-o*
Youve reffered to this as an exploit seveal times now and I am aware that the mechanic is going to change again.
Just wondering if it is an exploit why hasnt Jade and his alliance been shut down yet?
If it is an exploit, could you please point out where CCP has said so?
cheers |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:42:00 -
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zxc Uisen wrote:Haquer wrote:
I've yet to see any goon whining over the wardec changes. Just countless posts calling Jade a lunatic who was abusing a broken mechanic and complaining that CCP wanted to change it.
oh, i see what you did there, very nice spin, i call it "the reset button"
What are you talking about?
Can you give any proof that goons were whining, or will you continue calling this "spinning" when you have 0 proof. |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:50:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Ryoken McKeon wrote:Anyone who thinks Goonswarm wouldn't love to have a huge unending war with half of EVE doesn't understand goons. If I had to guess, the decision to do the right thing for mercenary corps was a painful one. Thats certainly the propaganda they put out - its not true in the slightest. Else why do they have the biggest NAP train in 0.0 ? That is not a decision designed to get more targets. Similar deal in hisec wars - they want to control the declaration and throw their numbers at selective "grief-targets" - they were fine when this was happening and only started yelping and begging for intervention when they were fed to their own machine. This mythology that goons want more targets is simply bunkum. Star Fraction has a longer red list than the goons.
Keep whining and posting absolute bullshit. Maybe one day somebody will believe you. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
900
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:11:00 -
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Jade Constantine wanted to destruction test the new Wardec system to show people that it was ********. It worked. CCP fixed it.
Now Jade whines and blatantly lies in saying that it was our fault.
Burn, Jade. Burn.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:32:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:The part that annoys the hell out of me is that Jade credits GSF for recently announced changes that are actually the result of a huge wave of outcry from pretty much every single person who lives in highsec and has ever declared a war. Every single mercenary and griefer in highsec was complaining about the ally system before it was even released and Alekseyev Krrade; a CSM member who represents one of the most well established mercenary outfits in EVE made a point to jam these problems as far down the collective throat of CCP as much as he possibly can.
The "NO GOONS DID IT" spiel is the absolute height of baseless tinfoil-hattery. It's utterly moronic and doesn't pass even the most basic of scrutiny. I like this one. Let's kill him/her last. |
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