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Anneka Tong
B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
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Posted - 2009.10.05 11:29:00 -
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Do you have any moral objection to using a jumpclone made from beef?
What about sausages, made from said beefclones? Do you have any moral objection to those?
On the one hand, it's all just sculpted biomass. Hooray. On the other, it's a construct that passes for human. Boo. On the other, most foodstuffs made onstation are made from recycled biomass from all manner of things. Meh.
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr TalCorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.10.05 16:39:00 -
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.05 16:40:00 -
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Next time you get an idea....just...don't.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 05/10/2009 18:11:12 Step past the cultural milieu of the planet bound frame. All that matters with clone bodies is that they are capable containers for our consciousness. Be it machine, organic, syntheticąit doesnĘt matter.
Beef seems inefficient and extra effort as we are already using human meat as our puppet casings.
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Qouven
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Posted - 2009.10.05 22:39:00 -
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Would eating the beefclone be considered cannibalism?
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Sebastien Starstrider
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.05 23:32:00 -
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It's not right to eat said beefclone, but eating sausages made from said beefclone is perfectly fine. The line of right and wrong is clearly drawn between those two matters, and I know that I am not alone in seeing that.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.05 23:39:00 -
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This is already done (animal carcasses are a common source for "mixed biomass" low-cost clone materials), but the notion of a cow genetically tailored to produce superior clone material is intriguing, particularly if you managed to also upgrade its metabolic efficiency so that it didn't waste as much energy as a conventional bovine.
Making our existence a little less macabre and a little more surreal can only be a good thing. So: moral objections? No.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.10.06 02:32:00 -
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Hmph.
These days clones are more like sausages. You really don't want to know where the ingredients came from.
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Petra Bealer
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.10.06 04:10:00 -
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Well, what cuts of beef? I think that affects things a bit.
Additionally... I never thought I'd say it but I have to agree with Aria's last point. What's the cluster coming to?
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Redbad
Minmatar Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.10.06 07:46:00 -
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An excellent idea Anneka! Now I won't get hungry when I go on a prolonged roaming through space. Makes sucking your thumb extra special.
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Eelis Kiy
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.06 08:04:00 -
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Does this mean that space badgers will now face regular culls in order to prevent mad clone disease?
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.06 08:08:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 06/10/2009 08:08:33 Oh-- about the sausages (an opportunity to disagree, if you like, Ms. Bealer) ...
Well, firstly, the genetics would have been altered by the time the clone was complete, so, genetically, the "beefclone" would be human flesh at that point. If it's not immoral in our own eyes, it's likely to look that way to more straightforwardly human onlookers.
Second, if we're talking about "used" clones (as opposed to those that just never got an occupant), there's a classic cannibalism-related prion risk if the sausages are made from a beefclone whose last infomorph occupant ate "used" beefclone sausages while in residence.
The sausages therefore don't look like nearly as good an idea as just tailoring cattle to be clone material.
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Katy Moore
Amarr J. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
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Posted - 2009.10.06 09:13:00 -
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Does the nanotech nonsense required to process the damn things not mean that the prions are a non-issue?
Also, it strikes me that of all the people in the world, it is the Blood Raiders that might have the strongest objections to this. I don't think they'd appreciate the idea of beef-derived clones, as their doctrine suggests clone blood is "purest".
It's amusing, isn't it? It's a funny old world.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.06 12:00:00 -
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Jump clones made of beef are a good idea if it is something that works as good as clones from human biomass and there is a clear advantage like reduced costs. Research would have to be done though about the possible long term effects if no immediate differences are there. But if beef clones would be a cheap alternative for the sacrifice of quality, well, I sure won't be considering them.
Correct me if I am wrong, but would making sausages from clones that were made purely from beef not be the same as just making sausages from beef, aside from the former having a human shape?
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.10.06 12:02:00 -
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Beef...
So just meat?
Aren't we made of meat anyway?
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Sinti Vailatti
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.06 14:46:00 -
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Dear Lord!
Don't you people know that the best clone products are made from pork? Scientists have been making spare clone parts and organ tissue from pigs for centuries! Even before our species left it's home planet there were pork tissue samples being created! In some cultures, people were referred to as "long pig" because that's what we taste like!
Amarr priests are especially tasty if dressed properly and allowed to slow roast over and open fire with a nice wine sauce as a baste for about 8 hours...Or um...so I hear.
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Petra Bealer
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.10.06 15:03:00 -
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Hmm. I'm not a biologist or anything Aria, but isn't the Prion factor only really a concern if the sausages or whatever foodstuff are containing brain matter? Of course, leaving aside the moral aspects of eating something human shaped that may have been an infomorph (and we do have a wide variety of viewpoints on moral aspects out here, don't we?) I can't but think that most people would find the idea... distasteful.
Food for thought anyway.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.06 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Anneka Tong Do you have any moral objection to using a jumpclone made from beef?
This makes me wonder what my jumpclone is made from.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.06 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 06/10/2009 20:04:46
Ms. Moore, Ms. Bealer:
Prions are just microscopic protein structures that are second-cousin to indestructible and have a knack for replicating themselves by breaking up other protein strands-- typically the ones found in the brain.
That doesn't mean that, once formed, they stay in the brain. They can get caught up in the blood stream and end up virtually anywhere, so eating a prion-afflicted brain is just the most reliable way of getting a massive dose of them.
While it would be possible to acquire prions through the "beef" upon clone manufacture if the nanites involved didn't detect and remove them, that would probably only happen if the clone-cows had been fed other cows (or infected human flesh) in some form. What's much more likely goes like this:
1. A beefclone (#0) acquires a prion (or prions) in its rump. It doesn't really matter how.
2. Beefclone is made into sausage. Rump portion is ground up; sausage acquires prion.
3. Infomorph-inhabited beefclone #1 acquires and eats sausage. Prion migrates through bloodstream and becomes lodged in #1's brain.
4. Prion begins doing what prions do in inhabited beefclone #1's brain. Many, many more prions form, and the local bit of the beefclone's brain starts getting little holes. Many newly-formed prions migrate through the clone's bloodstream, lodging in other parts of the body.
5. Infomorph-inhabited beefclone #1 gets podded by infomorph-inhabited beefclone #2, who scoops the body ...
6. ... and makes sausages.
And so on. It's not the beef origin that's a problem; it's the functional cannibalism, which provides the prions the opportunity to spread through a population.
Now, it might be possible to detect and remove the prions with medical nanotech, but while this might be a feasible option for dealing with infected capsuleers, it's a mighty expensive precaution to take while making sausages.
So, maybe not such a good idea.
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Petra Bealer
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.10.07 03:39:00 -
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Interesting to know at any rate. Probably not something where the knowledge will come to much use, granted. I tend to be rather more, well, pedestrian in my diet left to my own devices, and I imagine if I really wanted to shock people I could come up with something far more outre than cannibalism.
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Tarnia Xavian
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:57:00 -
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wut? what happened to the cheesecake and silicon?
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Kelban Kevar
Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2009.10.10 01:46:00 -
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hmm all beef clones and the words eat me comes to mind
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Casiella Truza
Back Alley Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.10.15 03:27:00 -
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I've met a few Brutor pilots that probably were made of beefcake.
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Poros Fullene
Gallente Interspatial Empire Logistics Rogue Elements.
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Posted - 2009.10.15 08:39:00 -
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What is a body but organic compounds. Beef is organic, I eat beef. Simple. If there is moral objection one must beg the question is it right to eat them either, eat beef i mean? We use clones made out of human flesh however is taht any better, if not perhaps worse who knows who youre made out of. Ammarrian preist, caldari scoundrel, gallentean drug lord, or a siebestor technician who knows? For true satisfaction and higher quality clones its a matter of what the clone is made out of. Higher quality clones are made out of humans and animals. But some are made out of grass.
However one problem you see is people dont understand how this biomass is used. Only the basic compounds are used in construction barely anything larger than proteins are used in culturing the cells they take from your body. They then use the proteins harvested from the biomass and feed it to the culutre and with its accelrated growth it grows into a new body.
The alternative method is to use 2 to 8 generic clones then body modding them to look like you afterwards though this method is a LOT cheaper it uses the same process to make the clones in the first place.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.15 15:52:00 -
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Thanks guys, now I'm hungry.
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Zeredek
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Posted - 2009.10.16 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Anneka Tong "Stop calling me! I can't take it anymore! Yes, do what you like!"
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Angus McDecoy
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Posted - 2009.10.16 21:47:00 -
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Well, my dear Anneka, something I suspect everyone has been polite enough not to mention is your apparent belief that clones (jump or otherwise) have three arms, as thusly demonstrated:
Originally by: Anneka Tong
On the one hand, [...] On the other, [...] On the other, [...]
I put forward the notion, ma'am, that you have some rather skewed ideas about cloning in general, and should immediately seek to rectify these before approaching any agricultural society with your proposal for faster, cheaper jump cloning solutions.
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Tablaren
Knights of Kador Freedom of Elbas
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Posted - 2009.10.17 06:22:00 -
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*blinks* What pray tell, is a prion?
Also, I do hope nothing ever comes of this.
With as many people who are obbessed with Evanda Char, I predict little sausages named "witchlings" being eaten in private and ewww, I'd rather not imagine roasted Ms. Char...
EM fleets will now have to pre-emptively pod and scoop her corpse to make sure noone else gets it....
Pardon, I think I need a nice strong drink right now.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.19 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tablaren *blinks* What pray tell, is a prion
This scientific article on prions should help you out. You may also want to read up on this article on protein folding to fully make sense of it.
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